angelman Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Pretty damning tweeting by LS. Can't see him coming back into the fold now that the rest of the camp (inc the management what with taking it upstairs so quickly) have laid their cards on the table. Team spirit always was very important and it's not worth having one bad apple upsetting everyone else. A shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 A real sh!tty situation for the new chief exec to sort out. Do you get rid and write off millions or do you ride it out and hope they make up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Is it true that the players clubbed together to get him a car to make him feel welcome on his arrival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 somewhere in a hotel lobby a man opens a steel briefcase with 2 keys. He smiles smugly to himself. 'Katerina let us see how you deal with part two of my plan' He extends a well manicured finger and pushes a button within the case. An expensive watch slips down over his wrist. Written in Latin under the button ....it rabidus Osvaldo His smile widens at the sound of a thousand tweets being received around him, the rumble of a media explosion and the news that from the Dunes to the the Alpine peaks the airwaves resonate with ' I told you sos' The waitress delivers his malt scotch and he inclines his head as he watches her walk away. He is comfortable here in his anonymity A voice calls from an almost forgotten car advert ' Papa ?' 'Merda' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 A real sh!tty situation for the new chief exec to sort out. Do you get rid and write off millions or do you ride it out and hope they make up? You have to go by others reactions. If the other members of the squad are shaken up enough by it to want him out then that is enough in my opinion to get rid of him. These are grown men and disagreements and confrontations happen all the time in football. But to see your team mate attack another team mate by headbutting him and punching him is out of order. These are a tight bunch of players so to see that happen would be shocking and would make you wonder when it can happen again. You just don't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 It may bring them closer together. Weirder things have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Big test for MP now. He chased him all summer and worked with him before so knew what he was getting. Does he try and persuade the players to give him another chase or spend the next 7 days trying to get shot of him? Either way it doesn't reflect well on him I'm afriad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 I told you this would happen...... This was never going to work....... I'm always right but...... As I predicted...... I think I've sussed you Glasgow. Are you actually a woman? You certainly sound like one. Hey, don't diss women... I'm reading this thread and thinking what a bunch of wimps Southampton folk have become! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Loan him to Italy and sell in the summer. Loan another forward in and buy a replacement in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 If what TheVman has said is true (and we have no reason to doubt it) then it's a no brainer for me - get rid. No-one is to blame here but Osvaldo. What a mug. Not sure how i'll react if he does play again. Won't feel right cheering him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Hey, don't diss women... I'm reading this thread and thinking what a bunch of wimps Southampton folk have become! I thought we lost all the birds on here years ago! Lady saint and BTF excepted. Rule one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio_Estero/Premierleague/23-01-2014/premier-southampton-sospende-osvaldo-intemperanze-allenamento-202162382827.shtml Interesting comments from an Italian WC angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 If what TheVman has said is true (and we have no reason to doubt it) then it's a no brainer for me - get rid. No-one is to blame here but Osvaldo. What a mug. Not sure how i'll react if he does play again. Won't feel right cheering him on. I've heard this is true from another source, so I would say it 100% is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Big test for MP now. He chased him all summer and worked with him before so knew what he was getting. Does he try and persuade the players to give him another chase or spend the next 7 days trying to get shot of him? Either way it doesn't reflect well on him I'm afriad. When you read about his relationship with the players and the group mentality he instils, there is no way he can back a player isolated from the group. This may be wishful thinking, but I think if he is willing to cast aside Osvaldo for the greater good it may tighten his relationship with the group which could be of benefit in the summer when players (and his) futures will come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 I thought we lost all the birds on here years ago! Lady saint and BTF excepted. Rule one? Rule one? Well, I'm not particularly into the nuns, but if I can cope with Barry, I can cope with anything. And Glasgow is way more girly than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 I've heard this is true from another source, so I would say it 100% is. I think you just need look at LS's tweets as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Loan him to Italy and sell in the summer. Loan another forward in and buy a replacement in the summer. Who would be decent and available on a loan though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Who would be decent and available on a loan though? Ba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10593485/Southampton-ready-to-sell-Dani-Osvaldo-after-striker-butted-team-mate-Jose-Fonte-during-training-session.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Could have been very interesting if he had done it to boruc He would be leaving the club for sure I'm a ****ing ambulance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Ba? Would have been my first thought, but after Torres' injury I'm not sure they would let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 When you read about his relationship with the players and the group mentality he instils' date=' there is no way he can back a player isolated from the group. This may be wishful thinking, but I think if he is willing to cast aside Osvaldo for the greater good it may tighten his relationship with the group which could be of benefit in the summer when players (and his) futures will come up.[/quote'] Twenty years ago a highly talent players with a flawed, loose cannon personality was suspended by his club, people wanted him banned for life and never to play football in this country again. The fans of that club now view him as a hero and still sing his name. His name is Eric cantona. There is always a way back, it depends on if Dani wants it and MP does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Could have been very interesting if he had done it to boruc He would be leaving the club for sure I'm a ****ing ambulance Are you ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Twenty years ago a highly talent players with a flawed, loose cannon personality was suspended by his club, people wanted him banned for life and never to play football in this country again. The fans of that club now view him as a hero and still sing his name. His name is Eric cantona. There is always a way back, it depends on if Dani wants it and MP does. A fair point but I think in that case seeing your player attack an abusive fan has a different impact on the group than seeing your player attack one of his own. Never say never as you say but I can't see it myself if it is true that the players want him gone (and there is no reason to disbelieve that based on the source). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Could have been very interesting if he had done it to boruc He would be leaving the club for sure I'm a ****ing ambulance Like this...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Would have been my first thought, but after Torres' injury I'm not sure they would let him go. Stevan Jovetić? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 A fair point but I think in that case seeing your player attack an abusive fan has a different impact on the group than seeing your player attack one of his own. Never say never as you say but I can't see it myself if it is true that the players want him gone (and there is no reason to disbelieve that based on the source). It's true alright, but I wonder what MPs reaction on this is. Training ground bust ups are not uncommon, MP knew what he was getting when he signed him. Its a test for him for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Pretty damning tweeting by LS. Can't see him coming back into the fold now that the rest of the camp (inc the management what with taking it upstairs so quickly) have laid their cards on the table. Team spirit always was very important and it's not worth having one bad apple upsetting everyone else. A shame really. Many on here questioned the signing, bloke did not want to come here from May onwards, it was inevitable that there would be some unrest eventually. And you're right about it being a shame ; undoubted talent, but mentally skewed and the gamble that MP might get Osvaldo's head in gear simply has not worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Twenty years ago a highly talent players with a flawed, loose cannon personality was suspended by his club, people wanted him banned for life and never to play football in this country again. The fans of that club now view him as a hero and still sing his name. His name is Eric cantona. There is always a way back, it depends on if Dani wants it and MP does. I assume you're referring to his attack on the Palace fan? Not sure Ferguson would have been so keen to have Cantona back if he’d assaulted a team-mate – only Fergie himself was allowed to do that (allegedly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 The only way he can find a way back here is to make it up with Fonte. If that can't happen and the other players want him out, there is no way back whilst maintaining any team spirit. Only Osvaldo can do anything, unless he sorts it himself there is only the highway. He'll be really gutted if he had to leave. He's really bust a gut for us in the 5 minutes he's actually played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 He is damaged good right now and we will have our pants pulled down if we look desperate to sell. We'd be better to loan him out for the remainder of the season and pray he has a good World Cup to raise his value. Suggest we need a striker as priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Saints have broken the 1st and 2nd rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Storm in a teacup. Imagine players fighting, they'd be rolling around on the floor clutching their faces in anguish, other players would come to intervene only to get slightly brushed by a flailing foot or arm and go down in a heap rolling around clutching the wrong leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 "Saints prepared to sell" is the headline from the Daily Telegraph. Some interesting news at the end of the article on JayRod and a new contract after the Arsenal game. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10593485/Southampton-ready-to-sell-Dani-Osvaldo-after-striker-butted-team-mate-Jose-Fonte-during-training-session.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Players with eccentric lifestyles and players that sulk from time to time can be managed. Players that are violent towards others are not manageable and we do not want at our club. It was a poor signing and truth be told the bloke hasn't performed barring one wonder goal. Get rid asap. Would rather have had a Danny Ings/Rhodes signing. Still can't get over what a pr!ck this guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 (edited) I assume you're referring to his attack on the Palace fan? Not sure Ferguson would have been so keen to have Cantona back if he’d assaulted a team-mate – only Fergie himself was allowed to do that (allegedly). The best managers can harness difficult characters and get the best out of them MP hasn't done this despite his obvious talent. Training ground bust ups are common things, I remember Paul Rideout Chinning Neil Ruddock in a training game, it happens, its down to MP to sort it out or get rid. Edited 23 January, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 To a point it is down to Osvaldo. If he mans up, apologises to Fonte and shows contrition I am sure the boys will give him a chance. if he acts like a sulky ****** he'll be off quick smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Starry, starry eyes.... Some of us have an inflated and complacent view of ourselves atmo I'm afraid. Our current form guide is terrible, and worse than most clubs below us. Make no mistake, we may have a first team capable of beating the best when all are present, but we have been consistently failing to beat many below us in the table for ages.. I am not confident at present that we will easily get results against Stoke, Hull and West Ham, let alone Arsenal. Our priority must be to fight for another 14 points to secure safety, not dream of a mid-table fantasy which we are not at present deserving. Getting points will not be easy. The team are currently making too many sloppy mistakes in the latter stages of matches I don't despair, we can regain something like our early form. But only if everyone in the club from the top to manager and every player - to us ordinary supporters realise we have to graft for every point from now on. Or else.... Get real, everyone. Great post. I have been saying as much for weeks now. We are sleepwalking to relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Who would be decent and available on a loan though? If we shift him back to Italy surely Milan or Juve have a spare forward we could borrow? Someone who needs to bang a few in to make a World Cup squad would be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 To a point it is down to Osvaldo. If he mans up, apologises to Fonte and shows contrition I am sure the boys will give him a chance. if he acts like a sulky ****** he'll be off quick smart. No, no, no. The guy has had enough chances! Once a dog bites put him down!! 1) Fonte 2) Erik Lamela 3) He refused to join the team to receive their runners-up medals and was branded arrogant by caretaker boss Aurelio Andreazzoli 4) punch-ups with team-mates at his previous two clubs 5) Nicola Mingazzini at Bologna 6) banned after Newcastle game 7) Fans "forcing" poor Pablo Daniel Osvaldo out of Roma Etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 The best managers can harness difficult characters and get the best out of them MP hasn't done this despite his obvious talent. Training ground bust ups are common things, I remember Paul Rideout Chinning Neil Ruddock in a training game, it happens, its down to MP to sort it out or get rid. I know they happen, Turks. I remember Hurlock and Speedie having a punch up on a pre-season tour in the Channel Islands. Can’t remember the outcome exactly, but I don’t think it was long before Speedie was on his way. But the present Saints squad seem a close knit bunch, and it appears they’re all solidly behind Fonte, so I can only see one outcome here: Osvaldo will be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Great post. I have been saying as much for weeks now. We are sleepwalking to relegation. Relegation? We have 31 points for goodness sake. We quite clearly are not going down. Change the record. Also, why will we need 14 more points? We wouldn't need 45 points to stay up anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dalek2003 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Relegation? We have 31 points for goodness sake. We quite clearly are not going down. Change the record. Also, why will we need 14 more points? We wouldn't need 45 points to stay up anyway!! You carry on drinking your port old chap, the Titanic is unsinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Starry, starry eyes.... Some of us have an inflated and complacent view of ourselves atmo I'm afraid. Our current form guide is terrible, and worse than most clubs below us. Make no mistake, we may have a first team capable of beating the best when all are present, but we have been consistently failing to beat many below us in the table for ages.. I am not confident at present that we will easily get results against Stoke, Hull and West Ham, let alone Arsenal. Our priority must be to fight for another 14 points to secure safety, not dream of a mid-table fantasy which we are not at present deserving. Getting points will not be easy. The team are currently making too many sloppy mistakes in the latter stages of matches I don't despair, we can regain something like our early form. But only if everyone in the club from the top to manager and every player - to us ordinary supporters realise we have to graft for every point from now on. Or else.... Get real, everyone. 1th in the current form guide. Not brilliant, not awful. Average. Last 6 games against sides currently below us in the league.... Stoke...........D Hull .............W Villa...............L Cardiff ..........W WBA.............W Sunderland....D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Great post. I have been saying as much for weeks now. We are sleepwalking to relegation. That's a ridiculously alarmist statement - laughable even. You must have been suicidal last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Transfer listed ? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfer-list-dani-osvaldo-after-3055504 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Guy needs to wake up and smell the coffee...he doesn't deserve to be dining at the top table of football in England or anywhere else. Loan him out of here real quick and get a decent replacement in pronto. I didn't want to say anything, but I never trusted his beard anyway. There...said it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 No, no, no. The guy has had enough chances! Once a dog bites put him down!! 1) Fonte 2) Erik Lamela 3) He refused to join the team to receive their runners-up medals and was branded arrogant by caretaker boss Aurelio Andreazzoli 4) punch-ups with team-mates at his previous two clubs 5) Nicola Mingazzini at Bologna 6) banned after Newcastle game 7) Fans "forcing" poor Pablo Daniel Osvaldo out of Roma Etc etc You are advocating capital punishment for Suarez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 23 January, 2014 Share Posted 23 January, 2014 Backed him since day 1. He can f*ck off. Would take 7 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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