lifeintheslowlane Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I see the only way back into the dressing room is to eat "Humble Pie" in a public apology to Jose and the rest of the team. If he does that...there's a chance...otherwise he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 The worst? My memory isn't the greatest, but even I remember worse. Delgado, Ripley, Groves, Speedie, Beresford, Dia, Davenport, Jakobsen, Forecast, the list goes on. Hypothetically, if DO had stuck the nut on Jason Euell for instance, would there be an outcry like there is now he has done it to a fan favorite? I don't like to brand people with stereotypes or labels, but there seems to be lots of knee jerking and bet wetting going on here over this. Ok, it isn't a great situation and it really shouldn't have happened, but does it really warrant the internet firing squad? No doubt the same internet firing squad that were adamant that we get rid of Boruc as he was a disgrace too. Fontes injuries hardly look like he took a sustained and merciless beating like it was made out. Seems to be it was a training ground spat which happens ll the time but because it was between a new boy who the fans haven't taken too yet and a bit of a club stalwart everyone is in meltdown over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 No doubt the same internet firing squad that were adamant that we get rid of Boruc as he was a disgrace too. Exactly my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I was told yesterday that his locker has been cleared out and that he won't play another game for the club. Let's hope we get some money back for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Disgrace. Get rid. Who was responsible signing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I'm sorry, but there is so much rubbish written in these 15 pages. KD has never once said that the players don't want him. What he has said is that the squad is a close bunch and that if someone doesn't want to be part of it then they have to go. He has stated the obvious. Chosen his words clearly and made it clear to Osvaldo what is required. The next step is apology. Has he already apologized privately? Does he publicly need to apologize. Yes and very quickly but he should have also publicly apologized for his actions at Newcastle. One thing is for sure this tortured sole needs to grow up. He also needs to accept the responsibilities of a person in the public spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 By the way this Poll is worth nothing. It is not a yes or no situation. There is so much mitigating factors that can affect your decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 They look like best mates. Maybe MP is desperate to keep him still? Also, I had no issues with what Boruc did and thought the reactions from many were extreme. But players who are involved in these sorts of incidents on the training ground never seem to recover from them and I wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped out by the end of the week, even if it's only a loan. Internet firing squad? It's an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 By the way this Poll is worth nothing. It is not a yes or no situation. There is so much mitigating factors that can affect your decision. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 (edited) This has been an unmissable opportunity for far too many otherwise sensible people to vent any and all frustrations they have in life let alone on Dani. I honestly despair about People sometimes. Just seems so easy to slip into a lynch mob mentality. Somebody must always be sacrificed. Somebody is always right and the other is totally wrong. One day a hero the next satan incarnate. They are just human beings FFS. But there's Nothing in between. William Golding wrote a great school-essential textbook on how these sentiments are innate to that most civilised and yet most savage of animals -man - in Lord of the Flies. So many find it impossible to curb their rising hysteria. It almost stopped people from groaning out loud whenever Guly touched the ball yesterday, not quite. I think Saints - for me - have always been about fair play and being tough but fair in mind and body. If the bloke was out or order he will get his comeuppance - but so much of the cr&p writing above ( including my vain attempts to show how stupid everyone was acting over this) is nothing to do with that incident and everything to do with outpourings of hate ...well it's just sad. Edited 26 January, 2014 by Giordano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 By the way this Poll is worth nothing. It is not a yes or no situation. There is so much mitigating factors that can affect your decision. and as we can see most people haven't bothered to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 My hunch is that we'll not see him in a Saints shirt again. His team-mates publicly talking about not wanting 'trouble makers' around is pretty damning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 (edited) My hunch is that we'll not see him in a Saints shirt again. His team-mates publicly talking about not wanting 'trouble makers' around is pretty damning. Whatever you do, please don't write that up into an 'article'. Its bad enough the real hacks are speculating over this ****. Edited 26 January, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Whatever you do, please don't write that up into an 'article'. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I'm sorry, but there is so much rubbish written in these 15 pages. KD has never once said that the players don't want him. What he has said is that the squad is a close bunch and that if someone doesn't want to be part of it then they have to go. He has stated the obvious. Chosen his words clearly and made it clear to Osvaldo what is required. The next step is apology. Has he already apologized privately? Does he publicly need to apologize. Yes and very quickly but he should have also publicly apologized for his actions at Newcastle. One thing is for sure this tortured sole needs to grow up. He also needs to accept the responsibilities of a person in the public spotlight. How do you know he apologised (Eng sp) privately if it was private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 He looks like a c***t and now he s started to act like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Need a poll should Osvaldo play for Saints again? This is a better poll question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Why not? Because KD's quote -if thats what youre alluding to- can be understood many ways. For all we know KD could have been offering an ultimatum and olive branch. **** knows but I'm not going to put words in players mouths and potentially heap more misunderstanding on an already confused situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Because KD's quote -if thats what youre alluding to- can be understood many ways. For all we know KD could have been offering an ultimatum and olive branch. **** knows but I'm not going to put words in players mouths and potentially heap more misunderstanding on an already confused situation. Ah I see. No plans too, but if I did, I wouldn't name the player anyway, just allude to comments made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I see the only way back into the dressing room is to eat "Humble Pie" in a public apology to Jose and the rest of the team. If he does that...there's a chance...otherwise he goes. As always blinkered views based on incomplete facts are prevalent on this thread. Clearly he is in the wrong and it needs sorting - the difference in ability between him and, for example , Gallagher , would not be worth big problems with the team spirit. But how bad it was, whether he was initially victim of some thing but hugely over reacted, what he wants, what Fonte wants, what MP wants etc we don't know. But let's not pretend every player gets on or there aren't similar (albeit not as serious) incidents often. If as reported Fonte needs to be backed - and he has. Everyone maybe satisfied that's the end of it -IF there can be a reasonable colleague relationship. But public apology? He hasn't publicly said anything against Fonte think getting carried away with the press drama queens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 nter Milan have been repeatedly linked with Southampton misfit Pablo Osvaldo, but they can't afford him. Their new owner Erick Thohir has said that Inter are entering a time of austerity and must cut their cloth accordingly, meaning they'd have to sell first before they could buy the forward. Unless Southampton want Fredy Guarin, offered to anyone who'll listen during this window, then Inter Milan looks out of the question for Osvaldo until they manage to sell. Guarin had been set for a swap involving Mirko Vucinic from Juventus. That was almost completed, players had medicals and the deal was about to be announced but then Inter Milan's Curva Nord supporters threatened to riot because they didn't think their club was getting the best side of the deal. The potential transfer was called off and whilst Inter still try to sell Guarin, Juventus are left with an awkward situation surrounding Vucinic. He wanted to leave the club, said goodbye to his team mates and passed a medical, it's hard for him to return. He missed training on Thursday and Friday, with permission, and wasn't involved for Juventus yesterday against Lazio. Sunday's Tuttosport say that Juventus are looking at Osvaldo for a replacement should Vucinic leave but with Southampton themselves having to replace the punch-happy Argentine if they sell him, then there could be another swap on the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 nter Milan have been repeatedly linked with Southampton misfit Pablo Osvaldo, but they can't afford him. Their new owner Erick Thohir has said that Inter are entering a time of austerity and must cut their cloth accordingly, meaning they'd have to sell first before they could buy the forward. Unless Southampton want Fredy Guarin, offered to anyone who'll listen during this window, then Inter Milan looks out of the question for Osvaldo until they manage to sell. Guarin had been set for a swap involving Mirko Vucinic from Juventus. That was almost completed, players had medicals and the deal was about to be announced but then Inter Milan's Curva Nord supporters threatened to riot because they didn't think their club was getting the best side of the deal. The potential transfer was called off and whilst Inter still try to sell Guarin, Juventus are left with an awkward situation surrounding Vucinic. He wanted to leave the club, said goodbye to his team mates and passed a medical, it's hard for him to return. He missed training on Thursday and Friday, with permission, and wasn't involved for Juventus yesterday against Lazio. Sunday's Tuttosport say that Juventus are looking at Osvaldo for a replacement should Vucinic leave but with Southampton themselves having to replace the punch-happy Argentine if they sell him, then there could be another swap on the cards. I'd take Vucinic in a heartbeat. Played in Italy all his career so might well struggle to adapt, but he's of a much, much higher quality than anybody else we could possibly acquire in the last few days of the window. Definitely worth a go until we can rebuild our strike force in the summer. Where's this from, anyway? Does seem a little far-fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I'd take Vucinic in a heartbeat. Played in Italy all his career so might well struggle to adapt, but he's of a much, much higher quality than anybody else we could possibly acquire in the last few days of the window. Definitely worth a go until we can rebuild our strike force in the summer. Where's this from, anyway? Does seem a little far-fetched. This is where it's from - http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-may-be-able-to-get-some-joy-from-osvaldo-saga-by-ge, granted, not very reputable. But it's possible. Well know that Juventus want to shift Vucinic on, and if they want Osvaldo then it's a no brainer I'd have thought. Only doubt I'd have is why would Juve want Osvaldo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 How do you know he apologised (Eng sp) privately if it was private? Fitzhugh I'm asking a question - Has he apologized? I don't know if he has privately, perhaps he has? But I think he needs to publicly. Although a public apology is pointless if he and his agent have already decided he wants to move. As usually we know very little and Osvaldo is speaking volumes by his silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 This is where it's from - http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-may-be-able-to-get-some-joy-from-osvaldo-saga-by-ge, granted, not very reputable. But it's possible. Well know that Juventus want to shift Vucinic on, and if they want Osvaldo then it's a no brainer I'd have thought. Only doubt I'd have is why would Juve want Osvaldo? It seems the thing you linked to is based on something that was in Tuttosport, which is a heavily Juve-centric paper, so it could well be a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 This has been an unmissable opportunity for far too many otherwise sensible people to vent any and all frustrations they have in life let alone on Dani. I honestly despair about People sometimes. Just seems so easy to slip into a lynch mob mentality. Somebody must always be sacrificed. Somebody is always right and the other is totally wrong. One day a hero the next satan incarnate. They are just human beings FFS. But there's Nothing in between. William Golding wrote a great school-essential textbook on how these sentiments are innate to that most civilised and yet most savage of animals -man - in Lord of the Flies. So many find it impossible to curb their rising hysteria. It almost stopped people from groaning out loud whenever Guly touched the ball yesterday, not quite. I think Saints - for me - have always been about fair play and being tough but fair in mind and body. If the bloke was out or order he will get his comeuppance - but so much of the cr&p writing above ( including my vain attempts to show how stupid everyone was acting over this) is nothing to do with that incident and everything to do with outpourings of hate ...well it's just sad. Thank feck that there is someone posting with a brain on this matter... The amount of sanctimonious crap in these 15 pages, the pious and relentless bitterness would be hysterical if not so pathetic. As you say its a lynch mob mentality without a grain of compassion or even a smattering of self - awareness... The eh lad did something stupid. He has some demons that he needs to address. So do we go with mass hysteria and get the pitch forks out and make him someone else's problem, or do we man up and recognise that in order for someone to be part of a close dressing room, you don't turn your back the moment it's gets tricky... You do what you can to help. Football fans are known for their fickle nature, but sometimes posts on here suggest they are just thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Would happily swap Osvaldo for Guarin or Vucinic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Only doubt I'd have is why would Juve want Osvaldo? Cause he's class. Like, he is. And he's proven himself in Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 On a similar front:- Speculation in Italy on Sunday suggests Tottenham may be interested in signing both Mirko Vucinic from Juventus and Fredy Guarin from Inter Milan. The two players were in the middle of a potential exchange between Juve and Inter last week, but that failed due to the fact that the Nerazzurri were unhappy with the terms. Now it's claimed Spurs officials will arrive in Italy in the next few hours to open negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Cause he's class. Like, he is. And he's proven himself in Italy. In 7 season in Italy he's scored 16,11,3,0,0,5,1. That's not exactly outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 (edited) http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/osvaldo-no-contacts-with-italian-clubs-southamptons-conditions/ At the moment a return to Italy ins’t in the cards. Osvaldo never established himself at Southampton, and the English club is ready to move him. However there have yet to be any contacts with Italian clubs. Southampton is making some considerable demands to sell the striker, a loan with considerable financial consideration or a straight sale for 16 million euro. The only concrete option is West Ham, who is willing to acquire him on loan, but neither Southampton nor Osvaldo are convinced with this option. Italy isn’t a realistic option for Osvaldo at the moment.. According to Di Marzio, there is no real interest from Italy yet. However, West Ham would like to take him on loan, but neither Saints or Osvaldo are keen. Edited 26 January, 2014 by Bewildered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/osvaldo-no-contacts-with-italian-clubs-southamptons-conditions/ According to Di Marzio, there is no real interest from Italy yet. However, West Ham would like to take him on loan, but neither Saints or Osvaldo are keen. West Ham can **** right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Thank feck that there is someone posting with a brain on this matter... The amount of sanctimonious crap in these 15 pages, the pious and relentless bitterness would be hysterical if not so pathetic. As you say its a lynch mob mentality without a grain of compassion or even a smattering of self - awareness... The eh lad did something stupid. He has some demons that he needs to address. So do we go with mass hysteria and get the pitch forks out and make him someone else's problem, or do we man up and recognise that in order for someone to be part of a close dressing room, you don't turn your back the moment it's gets tricky... You do what you can to help. Football fans are known for their fickle nature, but sometimes posts on here suggest they are just thick. He doesn't want to be here. Since he signed he has been continuously unavailable because of suspension, 'injury' or 'illness'. Whacking someone in training was just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's nothing to do with lynch mob mentality your high and mightyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 In 7 season in Italy he's scored 16,11,3,0,0,5,1. That's not exactly outstanding. Except he has only played 5 seasons in Serie A and in 2 of those he only played 13 games... 16 goals in 29 games last year, 3rd top scorer in the league. Not outstanding you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Except he has only played 5 seasons in Serie A and in 2 of those he only played 13 games... 16 goals in 29 games last year, 3rd top scorer in the league. Not outstanding you say? So one good season then, aka andy Carroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 So one good season then, aka andy Carroll? No actually 3 good seasons in a row before this year. If you dont follow football that close the stats are out there and quite easy to find. 40 goals in 79 league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 No actually 3 good seasons in a row before this year. If you dont follow football that close the stats are out there and quite easy to find. 40 goals in 79 league games. I was on about Italy, where his record is as I said above, hes had two good seasons in his whole career. His record is no more impressive then any mid table prem striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbury Saint Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 This is a better poll question... Yes I agree it shouldn't be will he leave but do we want him out yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I was on about Italy, where his record is as I said above, hes had two good seasons in his whole career. His record is no more impressive then any mid table prem striker How many mid-table prem strikers play regularly for their national side that's in the top 10 world rankings? You sure you don't go to Trent, mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I was on about Italy, where his record is as I said above, hes had two good seasons in his whole career. His record is no more impressive then any mid table prem striker He may have attitude but you are wrong about ability; Serie A - 35 goals in 69. La liga - 20 goals in 39 Total in those top leagues 55 goals in 108. Andy Carroll - 27 in 111 premier league. Over double Carroll's rate in possibly harder leagues to score in. And good scoring rate back to 2007. (Didn't realise Carroll's scoring rate so low!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 I was on about Italy, where his record is as I said above, hes had two good seasons in his whole career. His record is no more impressive then any mid table prem striker Ok, two good seasons in Italy out of 3 complete seasons played, and two other seasons with 13 games each in which one of those he scored 5 in 13 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Ok, two good seasons in Italy out of 3 complete seasons played, and two other seasons with 13 games each in which one of those he scored 5 in 13 games. The problem is you're turning him not playing into a positive point. He didn't play consistently because he either wasn't good enough, was injured, or suspended. Fact is in Italy he's averaged 7 goals a season. He even has the Carroll ponytail ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 The problem is you're turning him not playing into a positive point. He didn't play consistently because he either wasn't good enough, was injured, or suspended. Fact is in Italy he's averaged 7 goals a season. He even has the Carroll ponytail ffs Or behind better players? For example Christian Vieri and Marco di Vaio.... You think it´s more fair to divide goals with how many seasons they´ve been there instead of the number of games they actually have played?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Or behind better players? For example Christian Vieri and Marco di Vaio.... You think it´s more fair to divide goals with how many seasons they´ve been there instead of the number of games they actually have played?? Absolutely, how's him playing 13 games a season working out for us? It shows he's immensely inconsistent throughout his career and is proving to be so here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 Absolutely, how's him playing 13 games a season working out for us? It shows he's immensely inconsistent throughout his career and is proving to be so here You have heard he´s been injuried and ill, haven´t you? Still not a one-season wonder as you tried to put him down as... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 You have heard he´s been injuried and ill, haven´t you? Still not a one-season wonder as you tried to put him down as... Injured, ill and suspended. I said he's not consistently impressed and no better then a mid table premiership striker. Villa- Benteke, Fulham- Berbatov, Newcastle- Cisse and Remy, Swansea- Michu. Osvaldo is in the same category as them at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/01/osvaldo-to-be-left-out-of-italys-world-cup-squad/? His career is close to going down the pan. Didn't realise it was another bust up, which forced him out of the confederations cup squad either. The bloke is an unmanageable nut-case. What a poor, poor transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 26 January, 2014 Share Posted 26 January, 2014 http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/osvaldo-no-contacts-with-italian-clubs-southamptons-conditions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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