Suhari Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Having mused this overnight I now wonder if we would be better to keep him...... No need to rush into decisions. Have him train with the U21s until he makes a full, honest and public apology. Assuming he wants to go the World Cup he'd have little choice but to knuckle down and earn a place in the side, and then impress enough top get to Brazil. We won't see his value drop any more from now to the end of the season (if he doesn't play much); but it could go up if he has a decent WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 As he thinks he's too good for us (and this is obviously backed up by his 3 goals in 13 games), then I am not sure that he is going to be rehabilitated any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Above all football is a team game, and spirit is a tangible thing, which we clearly have had in abundance the last few years. No single person is bigger than the Club, although MLT came mighty close. He was a player we could carry as he delivered time after time and often carried the team, despite being 'far too good for the Club" if talent is the measure. On that basis, I would say 1) loan him out or sell, 2) put him with the youth team as above, or 3) go straight to jail, do not pass go and do not collect any money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Wow, such aggression from the usual deniers.... Where? I've read through all the responses to your earlier post, and there's nothing there I'd regard as aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Please, please, please stop with your negative nonsense. What to you gain from it? Nobody knows but he has been doing it for as long as I've been posting on this board (best part of a decade now). He's not going to stop so for the sanity of everyone please just put him on the ignore list and don't talk to him. Everyone has figured out his ramblings are nonsensical, distorted negativity and bare no relation to real life. You don't need to point this out to us and wont look any more intelligent by pointing out the obvious, i.e. we aren't going down this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 In an early life I taught Contractual Law to Undergrads and Company Managers and Directors.My take on the Osvaldo case is as follows. I'm quite certain that the Clubs' Legal Eagles have examined the Contract of Employment for one Dani Osvaldo. When he signed (with his agent and Solicitors advice) SFC followed all procedures to ensure the Contract is Legally Binding. One clause which doesn't get much air-time these days is that of 'Frustration of Contract' ie The EMPLOYEE does NOT fullfil his/her obligations and therefore is in breach of the Contractual agreement.SFC can now pursue a Legal Action against said player through dismissal AND submit a claim for Compensation and Costs against Osvaldo and his Agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Such a pity that Osvaldo's situation has come to this. Fingers crossed no-one chooses to turn on him (I know I won't absolutely no point in doing so.... I want the talent he has to be made the most of) should he play for us again. If it truly is an unrecoverable situation then yes, time to sell and reflect on a very interesting footnote in the club's history. Either way it would make any thoughts of selling Rickie totally daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 straight loan swap with Inter. Ossie for Guarin. Would not be a bad deal considering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 straight loan swap with Inter. Ossie for Guarin. Would not be a bad deal considering... Well whatever we're planning on doing with him we'd best be getting on with it quickly. Time and transfer windows wait for no man. Another week and we're stuck with him because he's not the sort of player you can loan out to Chesterfield or Crewe Alexandra. Don't know about S.Am though, think they may be in close season just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Sam Allardyce is desperate, really desperate. West Ham provides the ideal setting for a loan deal for the rest of the season. I will be a lot happier when we receive news that Osvaldo is gone and will no longer be about to destroy our club, our teamwork and future success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Oh ...My...God!!!!! Look at what Dani did to his nose!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Seriously. Is that it? Better fisticuffs were had outside Cantell school gates, FFS. Who was the fight promoter? Lorraine Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Seriously. Is that it? Better fisticuffs were had outside Cantell school gates, FFS. Who was the fight promoter? Lorraine Kelly? His nose was apparently broken, so not just the eye. It also didn't happen yesterday, it was earlier in the week so the swelling will have gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 In an early life I taught Contractual Law to Undergrads and Company Managers and Directors.My take on the Osvaldo case is as follows. I'm quite certain that the Clubs' Legal Eagles have examined the Contract of Employment for one Dani Osvaldo. When he signed (with his agent and Solicitors advice) SFC followed all procedures to ensure the Contract is Legally Binding. One clause which doesn't get much air-time these days is that of 'Frustration of Contract' ie The EMPLOYEE does NOT fullfil his/her obligations and therefore is in breach of the Contractual agreement.SFC can now pursue a Legal Action against said player through dismissal AND submit a claim for Compensation and Costs against Osvaldo and his Agent. Along the lines of Mutu after he breached his contract with drug use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 His nose was apparently broken, so not just the eye. It also didn't happen yesterday, it was earlier in the week so the swelling will have gone down. Yes, but Fonte gave Osvaldo a public wedgie. As a hot-tempered South American, Dani surely demands satisfaction! Seriously tho, good points MLG. I do have to wonder how much is a failure of management tho'. Do you know how long the feud has been going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 His nose was apparently broken, so not just the eye. It also didn't happen yesterday, it was earlier in the week so the swelling will have gone down. I think he would have mentioned the broken nose if it had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Seriously. Is that it? Better fisticuffs were had outside Cantell school gates, FFS. Who was the fight promoter? Lorraine Kelly? Lorraine Kelly is on bapwatch. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Has José's nose been bruised and swollen or is it always that big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Has José's nose been bruised and swollen or is it always that big? and bent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Has José's nose been bruised and swollen or is it always that big? camera adds 10 pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Would have thought his eye to be hanging out judging by the ott post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Were all the "blood drawn" stories legit, then? Looks like a regular shiner to me, if the conk can be excluded as a recent development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 FFS you are all missing the point, his sodding head is being kept on with mecanno!! Look at that **** on his shoulder! no way they'll let him play FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration... Hahaha!!!! Even you must have laughed reading that gem back to yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Gotta say; distinctly unimpressed with losing a talented footballer because of discipline. People are calling Osvaldo fit to burn on Twitter, but we knew he was a gamble. Many of our players are, Lovren included. If you're aware of a problem up-front, you should be trying to mitigate it. I dunno; maybe Osvaldo is some irredeemable bastard from Satan's version of the SS, but we knew discipline could be an issue up-front and have failed to the extent where a 15M rated player is not even on the bench. Surprised to hear reports of players "turning" on him on Twitter. Suggests to me that Osvaldo has been an issue for some time and that this is the last straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Stupid thing to do but this kind of thing happens far more than you'd expect. Fonte looks ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Surprised to hear reports of players "turning" on him on Twitter. Suggests to me that Osvaldo has been an issue for some time and that this is the last straw. Exactly my thought, but Vman said 2+2=32 to that. So either there has been some grumbling problems or he acted like an absolute animal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I love how some people are trying to blame Fonte, and how he actually tries to do his job and be a defender in the PL despite his natural talent not being an exact match to perhaps that of Osvaldo. If there ever was any proof of an anti-Fonte agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Exactly my thought, but Vman said 2+2=32 to that. So either there has been some grumbling problems or he acted like an absolute animal Which players? I know about Shaw but who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Stupid thing to do but this kind of thing happens far more than you'd expect. Fonte looks ok. As others have said, the impression I get is this is the last straw, but that's just my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 He would probably get away with the severity of these things incidents if he was in the league of Suarez were his talent is so big and he offers the team so much it would be crazy to get rid of him no matter what! But the truth is he's nowhere near that level and clearly has made a petulant plea that he doesn't want to be here, he see little saints as being beneath him. Get did now even if its a little an! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 (edited) He would probably get away with the severity of these things incidents if he was in the league of Suarez were his talent is so big and he offers the team so much it would be crazy to get rid of him no matter what! But the truth is he's nowhere near that level and clearly has made a petulant plea that he doesn't want to be here, he see little saints as being beneath him. Get did now even if its a little an! Cortese and Mauricio brought him here, sold him the dream, Cortese has gone and if you reflect on it you'll probably notice that Osvaldo has been playing the fool since he probably found out that Cortese was going. If anyone has the famous Cortese depart clause in his contract it's probably Osvaldo....all the rest is probably just a cover up. Mystery illness and injuries, touchline brawls, more mystery injuries and now that he'd actually be expected to play a game...wham another training ground brawl. It's so transparent that a blind man could see it. Edited 24 January, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Looking at the photo the injury does not look that bad . Normally with a broken nose there would peripheral bleeding to both eyes . So i maybe reports of a broken nose are in accurate as was the comment about blood every where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Looking at the photo the injury does not look that bad . Normally with a broken nose there would peripheral bleeding to both eyes . So i maybe reports of a broken nose are in accurate as was the comment about blood every where Agreed, reports would look to be wildly exagerated, doesn't even seem to be enough bruising around the eye to have taken a serious head butt, little girls smack perhaps. I've had worse in playground fights at junior school. No-one got suspended for those, just 6 of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Looking at the photo the injury does not look that bad . Normally with a broken nose there would peripheral bleeding to both eyes . So i maybe reports of a broken nose are in accurate as was the comment about blood every where Scalp wounds do bleed though mate, we haven't seen the wound inflicted on dani by Fontes nose yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Gotta say; distinctly unimpressed with losing a talented footballer because of discipline. People are calling Osvaldo fit to burn on Twitter, but we knew he was a gamble. Many of our players are, Lovren included. If you're aware of a problem up-front, you should be trying to mitigate it. I dunno; maybe Osvaldo is some irredeemable bastard from Satan's version of the SS, but we knew discipline could be an issue up-front and have failed to the extent where a 15M rated player is not even on the bench. Surprised to hear reports of players "turning" on him on Twitter. Suggests to me that Osvaldo has been an issue for some time and that this is the last straw. I have wondered for a while if Osvaldo is the reason why RL looks unhappy at times and perhaps why he is struggling with form. One loose canon like Osvaldo could be enough to upset the balance of the side on and off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 I hope for your own sake this is a pathetic windup because if you genuinely believe we will be relegated or require 45 points like eelpie said then you need help. The bottom three teams after 22 games have 18 points each, yet you think in the remaining 16 games they (and all the other teams below us) will get upto 44 points? Early 30's will be be enough to stay up this year, and with 16 games to go we already have 31 points. I'm confident we will finish 9th at worst and 8th at best, 9th looking the more likely. Yep same logic that had people saying that Palace were marooned at the foot of the table and likely to stay there. This was just weeks ago and now look If you think, as you are suggesting that a team with the mid 30's are going to be safe then I would suggest you are the one that needs to get a reality check, there again there could be something in the water you drink or perhaps you have the special pink tinted spectacles from specsavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions. Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale): CEO Manager New CB Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo Identify replacements/reinforcements. I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration... and I was lambasted for warning people to guard against complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 (edited) Yep same logic that had people saying that Palace were marooned at the foot of the table and likely to stay there. This was just weeks ago and now look If you think, as you are suggesting that a team with the mid 30's are going to be safe then I would suggest you are the one that needs to get a reality check, there again there could be something in the water you drink or perhaps you have the special pink tinted spectacles from specsavers. and I was lambasted for warning people to guard against complacency. Not the same logic at all, it will take a lot more than one team having an upturn in form to overtake Saints and relegate them. There are a lot of teams below Saints and only 16 games left they simply won't all be able to catch Saints if we had a huge collapse. Anyone who thinks it'll take 40 points is daft. It'll be in the low to mid 30's, where Saints already are with 16 games left. Edited 24 January, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Disagree Ron. I think we are all entitled to make a judgement that is far from rash. I know this sort of thing happens on the training field virtually every day but it rarely ends up with injuries serious enough for the victim to miss games. If you really think "anger management" courses are the answer then you are living in a HR wonderland. I went on one once, biggest load of crap I have ever had to endure, I came out angrier . The guy needs to be taught a lesson, he is a serial offender - it is a shame Fonte didn't press charges frankly because 6 months in Her Majesties finest, trying to flick the soap up with his kicking foot, might make the overpaid spoilt brat focus on which side his bread is buttered. Not sure FF. - In the true spirit of things, compassion and support should not be limited to those that seek it... If anything those that don't and need the help and support more are priority cases? Also so as I understand it, if a criminal act has taken place, the police can charge Dani regardless of any complaint by Fonte. The only issue is whether there would be enough witnesses willing to step forward and give evidence to ensure a conviction. We KNEW what we were taking on, and whilst there is no excuse for what he has done, I would like to think that the squad we have on reflection recognise that if someone is behaving as he does, and with previous, there is something wrong that needs help. The choice is simply get rid and hope someone else deals with it, or stand up and be that community and family club that rallies round one of their own and gets him the help he needs. Too easy to make him someone else's problem and I think if we do just ditch him, it's to our shame... Seriously, would be understandable, but not something that would make me particularly proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Osvaldo has put this on Instagram: His comment translates as "all the love that counts". He's getting some flak on the comments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 The guy is a complete **** its no wonder the Roma fans hated him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Hes off to Naples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Osvaldo has put this on Instagram: His comment translates as "all the love that counts". He's getting some flak on the comments! Why pabloosvaldo86 when he insists on being called Dani? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 His comment translates as "all the love that counts". He's getting some flak on the comments! The guy obviously wants out. He's being a div. How about "I'm sorry guys, really sorry, I've been an utter helmet, let me make it up to you on the pitch by giving the performances of my life to help us all". No, some random pic of an a*se and "this is all the love that counts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Osvaldo has put this on Instagram: His comment translates as "all the love that counts". He's getting some flak on the comments! Ambiguous translation. It might be italian for "c*nt". I only say that because my mrs is italian, and thats what she calls me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Saint Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Here is some insight into what may have happened, don't know if this information was posted earlier, but could not read the 13 pages of mostly member infighting, not sure what to think about the Ossie/Fonte bust up. but I hope they can all be professionals and get on with winning games. "Why is everyone so quick to blame Osvaldo? He may have threw the first punch but who's to say it was him who instigated it? Apparently Fonte had some pretty harsh, unwarranted, words to say about Dani, behind his back, which if true, would have fully deserved a punch in the face." "My girlfriend works as catering staff at the training ground, she didn't see what happened, but saw the aftermath and saw Fonte and Osvaldo talking and shaking hands as well as Fonte admitting he'd gone too far with what he said. The players were talking about it like it was nothing and it isn't going to effect anyone beyond suspensions. Sometimes things like that happen and everyone is happier afterwards, much the same as having an argument with the Mrs." "Everyone is fine, no injuries apart from Fonte's split lip, it is being investigated by the club though, so it's probable Fonte will get a suspension too" "There is a hell of a lot more behind the Fonte/Osvaldo thing than anyone thinks. Fonte had been niggling at him a lot during training and made a comment along the lines of it being lucky Osvaldo had his suspension as it kept his pregnant girlfriend from sleeping around. let's not be so quick to put all the blame on Dani because their isn't one man who wouldn't stand up and defend their wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever if that was said about them." "There is not tension, the daily echo says osvaldo isn't liked and automatically it's becomes gospel, he's quite a popular figure actually and the dressing room understand what's happened and it isn't going to affect anything beyond Osvaldo's suspension and Fonte's likely suspension." "Apparently, according to an eye witness, the incident, which took place on Wednesday, happened during an intense 11-a-side training match between members of the first-team squad. Osvaldo and Fonte had been niggling at each other during the practice match, and the situation came to a head when the former took umbrage at a particularly robust challenge. Osvaldo immediately confronted Fonte in an aggressive manner, sparking a nose-to-nose argument between the two. But before players could separate the two, Osvaldo left his team-mates 'shocked and furious' by aiming a head butt straight into Fonte's face. The impact immediately drew blood from Fonte's face; the pair grappled before team-mates launched themselves into the brawl to separate them. Fonte is understood to have sustained a black eye and a broken nose, but those injuries are yet to be confirmed. Pochettino immediately suspended the training session to deal with the aftermath of the unsavoury clash, which has seen Osvaldo suspended for two weeks by Southampton. The incident has seen Osvaldo's already low popularity among the the Saints squad plummet to rock-bottom." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Dani-D•ckHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2014 Share Posted 24 January, 2014 Osvaldo has put this on Instagram: His comment translates as "all the love that counts". He's getting some flak on the comments! He's proclaiming his love for the Hampshire landscape - next will be a shot of the Marlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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