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Personally we knew what we were buying, so if he's contrite I'd much prefer to try to reintegrate him into the squad rather than take a huge loss selling/loaning him out and weakening our squad.

 

I doubt very much if he is contrite at all given his history of doing this.

I cant see how he weakens the squad after all he has hardly played in the last few months has he.

Forget the money we have paid, that can be earned back in the next few seasons by buying the right replacement.

You cannot put a price on team togetherness look at Sunderland under Di Canio they were a mess - Poyet who I dislike immensley has got them playing some good stuff. Osvaldo will do nothing but harm to team morale if he stays - will anyone want to tackle him in the future - is that good for team shape and defensive training?

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I doubt very much if he is contrite at all given his history of doing this.

I cant see how he weakens the squad after all he has hardly played in the last few months has he.

Forget the money we have paid, that can be earned back in the next few seasons by buying the right replacement.

You cannot put a price on team togetherness look at Sunderland under Di Canio they were a mess - Poyet who I dislike immensley has got them playing some good stuff. Osvaldo will do nothing but harm to team morale if he stays - will anyone want to tackle him in the future - is that good for team shape and defensive training?

 

His contrition is key. If he's not then sure find the best way to recoup as much of investment as possible.

His absence the due to injury/suspension has weakened us as we haven't had anyone other than Rickie up top.

Don't agree that the large sum spent on him should or can be freely ignored/quickly recouped.

Training ground bust ups happen and I don't see why the squad should throw their toys out of the pram if management decide to try and rehabilitate a contrite osvaldo.

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

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Training ground bust ups happen and I don't see why the squad should throw their toys out of the pram if management decide to try and rehabilitate a contrite osvaldo.
If it happens so often, I'm sure you can give plenty of examples? Shouldn't take too long really.
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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

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This sums it up for me...

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I’m all for giving people a second chance, but this bloke has had a second chance, and a third chance; in fact, several chances. He appears to have an anger management disorder, and probably needs professional help. I’m not convinced Saints are the ones to give it him: we are, after all, a football club, not some care-in-the-community rehabilitation centre for serial offenders.

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Lots of self righteousness going of here... The boy. Did a bad thing, is temperamental etc.... We KNEW that when we bought him so why are we all jumping on his back now... Yes he needs to be Punished appropriately, but IF he shows the appropriate contrition, the decent thing is to accept it and TRY and help him through his demons. The guy is talented, he is flawed like many of us, but he ain't going to be able to improve, if he is cast aside wherever he goes.... I thought we were better than that.

 

 

There are plenty on here that go on ad infinitum about us being a community club, one that is a 'family' and all those platitudes, well it's time like these where such attributes are really tested. If we want to be that, we need to show, by supporting players who do wrong and helping them integrate.... Sometimes the hypocracy of fans is breathtaking... But not surmising as half the posts on hers are just the usual wind up trolls spouting their inane ******....

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

Really?? did we get stuffed at Sunderland last week?...I am not going to say any more as we will probably get beat tomorrow now :-) but jeesh

I know you love to dramatise things but:

 

Has there been a mass exodus?

Have we lost any top players of the squad through sales?

Has the manager walked out?

Have we sold to a gun running, child maiming, Latvian/Lithuaian mafia boss?

Has ken Bates bought the club?

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Lots of self righteousness going of here... The boy. Did a bad thing, is temperamental etc.... We KNEW that when we bought him so why are we all jumping on his back now... Yes he needs to be Punished appropriately, but IF he shows the appropriate contrition, the decent thing is to accept it and TRY and help him through his demons. The guy is talented, he is flawed like many of us, but he ain't going to be able to improve, if he is cast aside wherever he goes.... I thought we were better than that.

 

 

There are plenty on here that go on ad infinitum about us being a community club, one that is a 'family' and all those platitudes, well it's time like these where such attributes are really tested. If we want to be that, we need to show, by supporting players who do wrong and helping them integrate.... Sometimes the hypocracy of fans is breathtaking... But not surmising as half the posts on hers are just the usual wind up trolls spouting their inane ******....

 

No there is not a self righteous thing going on - most posts are in support of the players - its been reported they don't want him back thats why many posters are saying what they are.

If you have played in team sports and had a bad apple you will know what that can do.

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There are only two ways this can go down. Either he leaves the club or he apologises profusely to Fonte and everybody else, promises that it's never going to happen again, blames himself entirely for this episode and knuckles down and plays the good guy for the rest of his contract. My money's on him leaving the club.

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

Seriously, why do people even bother responding to this rubbish? It's a complete waste of time.

 

If sitting relatively comfortably in 9th in the Premier League with the best squad we've had in decades (none of whom have left) can be described as chaos, then I would love to see order...

 

Seriously alps, have you been awake for the last 10 years?!

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We need to be careful not to go the same way as the Roma fans. Of course what Osvaldo did was unacceptable but we should leave the club to sort it out.

 

Hopefully he is now receiving counselling and anger management advice. After that it is up to the club and players to decide if he gets another chance.

 

It is not for Supporters to make any rash judgements in my opinion.

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

Lol. Your sheets must be soaked!

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Baring in mind that dozens of Saints fans were locked up for shaking a fence or at worst lobbing a wheel hub, can't see why Hants Old Bill rant looking for some glory, given the number of witnesses to an easy GBH arrest, he'd be facing 18 months, Not sure Jose would even have to want to press charges given the public statements made.

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We need to be careful not to go the same way as the Roma fans. Of course what Osvaldo did was unacceptable but we should leave the club to sort it out.

 

Hopefully he is now receiving counselling and anger management advice. After that it is up to the club and players to decide if he gets another chance.

 

It is not for Supporters to make any rash judgements in my opinion.

 

I think it's understandable. The guys been a waste of space.

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

Deal with overload of hate mail from Austrian Saints Fan Club

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

Oh noes, we have to hire staff, buy players, sell players and sign contracts? Over time?! With no specific deadline?!? That must be quite a novel concept for a football club... We're doomed...

 

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He's arrogant and no one likes him, well, at least according to this update: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2545233/Dani-Osvaldo-branded-arrogant-Southampton-team-mates-brawl.html

 

Surprised Ashton is jizzing this out.

 

was Osvaldo really suspended for the Yeovil game anyway, thought he was available again after his FA suspension.

Think the journo hasn't done his homework correctly.

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Lots of self righteousness going of here... The boy. Did a bad thing, is temperamental etc.... We KNEW that when we bought him so why are we all jumping on his back now... Yes he needs to be Punished appropriately, but IF he shows the appropriate contrition, the decent thing is to accept it and TRY and help him through his demons. The guy is talented, he is flawed like many of us, but he ain't going to be able to improve, if he is cast aside wherever he goes.... I thought we were better than that.

 

 

There are plenty on here that go on ad infinitum about us being a community club, one that is a 'family' and all those platitudes, well it's time like these where such attributes are really tested. If we want to be that, we need to show, by supporting players who do wrong and helping them integrate.... Sometimes the hypocracy of fans is breathtaking... But not surmising as half the posts on hers are just the usual wind up trolls spouting their inane ******....

 

If this was a one-off incident we were talking about, FC, I would definitely agree with you that we should try to help the bloke – with the proviso, of course, that the rest of the players were happy to go along with it. However, as you rightly say, Osvaldo has done this type of thing before, and I suspect he needs professional help – professional help that is likely to be time consuming, costly, and will come with no guarantees of success. And, all the while, he will remain a liability, with the likelihood he will lose it again – next time it could be in the middle of a crucial match; who knows, he could even do a Gazza in an FA Cup final.

 

Now, I really hope he gets the help he needs to turn himself around: for all I know, underneath his anger issues, he could be a decent bloke and a more than decent footballer – although, unfortunately, aside from fleeting moments of brilliance, I’ve yet to see much evidence of the latter. You think that the club should help Osvaldo and try to integrate him back into the squad – that’s fine; I’m sure others share your opinion. Personally, I’d rather we let him seek help elsewhere, try to recoup some of our losses, and replace him with someone who can actually do more to help us win football matches.

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Lol. Your sheets must be soaked!

 

Very good. :-0.

 

I cannot see any way forwards for us. At some stage, its inevitable, we are in the thrall of forces beyond us...it will happen....i know it....yes, we will.....LOSE a match!!!!!!!!! And then another and another and then we will be relegated and sold to someone horrid - more horrid than KL - for not much and then we might lose more games and more games and ohhh...its too terrible to envisage the future...woe is us and woe is unto us. What can we do? Oh what Oh what Oh what can we do? Oh, how i wish we had never bought anyone foreign, or not foreign, how i wish we did not have to play those football matches in which it is inevitable we lose, matches against Premiership and non premiership teams like Yeovil I mean ...and of course the staff and the local community and the fans...its really really bad for them..think of the unemployment and the effect on the local economy and indeed industrial output of GB...Oh deary deary me....i just simply cannot comprehend how we can possibly continue as a football club now that Dani Osvaldo nutted Jose Fonte in the SAME month that our CE left!!!!! How could he!!! Didn't he realize our CE left and WE ARE A CLUB IN CRISIS! He couldn't have picked a worse time for a headbutt! if only he had waited until the end of the season - but no- typically selfish foreign footballer attitude and now look what hes done! Inconceivable multiple damages! And of course we lost that match to Chelsea and only drew with Sunderland...oh its just going from bad to worse with no end in sight! Oh how i wish we could have been wise and never made mistakes and avoided all this anxiety stress and pain by not signing Dani or Cortese or even ever getting out of Admin. It would have been so much nicer if we were in Administration dead.Oh dear. Ah well. At least Barcelona are a fantastic football team to watch. Luckily they don't have any crisis or any of that stuff..

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

Looking forwards, the following issues have to be resolved in pretty short order come May (and this assumes no club sale):

 

CEO

Manager

New CB

Resolve the futures of Shaw, Rickie, and a couple of others

Get rid of Ramirez and Osvaldo

Identify replacements/reinforcements.

 

I am not sure such uncertainty or chaos has ever reigned at SFC, even in the darkest hour of administration...

 

Please nobody quote these ramblings anymore Apline has just become the first person ever to make any of my forum block lists and this place will be much better for it.

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I'd be gutted to see him go, could potentially be one of our best ever strikers but he really isn't helping himself.

 

If he has any chance whatsoever of staying he has to shown immediate contrition and a genuine desire to face the music, make ammends and give it his all from here on in.

 

The fans have been willing him to do well but he's got to want to do it himself, he could still pull this one around if he really wanted it.

 

Got to admit though the smart money is now on an exit and fairly sharpish one at that.

 

How many points needed to safety - around 10/11?

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Very disappointed with the incident as I want to see Osvaldo and our squad succeed. Can understand why fans want him gone from the club, however I feel that what is more likely to happen is that once the dust settles, as long as Dani appologises to both Fonte and the rest of his team mates he will be integrated back into the squad, after all, we keep hearing from the club that we are all part of the Southampton family and Dani is part of that. I feel that if we just dump him without at least trying to help him sort out his issues and for him to succeed then the whole togetherness and family aspect of our club is a complete farce. You stand by family members and help them through their issues and try to put them on the right track, you don't just dump them for a mistake, a moment of hot headedness in the heat of the moment.

 

The key here though is how Dani reacts to the suspension and how he aproaches his team mates. If he is not bothered and has an attitude about it, he will be gone sooner rather than later. I suspect, well hope really, that he will learn from this episode, apologise to everyone and knuckle down. The one thing I know for sure is that if he pulls on the shirt again for Saints and is involved, he will get the same support from me as everyone else in the squad.

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What the club needs to do is clear, appoint a team of moderators at the training facility.

 

A team of moderators always stop football related activities boiling over into petty squabbles that then pointlessly spiral into personal physical/ psychological injury

 

Justice mike and chalet are the answer

 

Simple

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The priority for KL, Mopo and Rodgers is 3 more wins to secure PL football next season. Lets face it, after a fantastic first dozen games, this season has descended to farcical cluster-f*ck proportions.

 

and it only seems like five minutes since you were posting "...our play off hopes are now hanging by a thread".

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We need to be careful not to go the same way as the Roma fans. Of course what Osvaldo did was unacceptable but we should leave the club to sort it out.

 

Hopefully he is now receiving counselling and anger management advice. After that it is up to the club and players to decide if he gets another chance.

 

It is not for Supporters to make any rash judgements in my opinion.

 

 

Disagree Ron. I think we are all entitled to make a judgement that is far from rash. I know this sort of thing happens on the training field virtually every day but it rarely ends up with injuries serious enough for the victim to miss games. If you really think "anger management" courses are the answer then you are living in a HR wonderland. I went on one once, biggest load of crap I have ever had to endure, I came out angrier :) . The guy needs to be taught a lesson, he is a serial offender - it is a shame Fonte didn't press charges frankly because 6 months in Her Majesties finest, trying to flick the soap up with his kicking foot, might make the overpaid spoilt brat focus on which side his bread is buttered.

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What the club needs to do is clear, appoint a team of moderators at the training facility.

 

A team of moderators always stop football related activities boiling over into petty squabbles that then pointlessly spiral into personal physical/ psychological injury

 

Justice mike and chalet are the answer

 

Simple

 

Can imagine all the players whinging about other players and complain about the mods not taking action to ban anyone who did something in training that the vast majority of players disagreed with.

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Wow, such aggression from the usual deniers....

 

You are the one that thinks we need 40 points to stay up.

 

Are you unaware the bottom three have 18 points from 22 games?

 

They would need 22 points from the remaining 16 games to force Saints to need 40 points. Plus the teams above would also need an upturn in form. It won't happen as they have to be taking points off each other.

 

The bottom 3 are currently on course to finish on 31 points. Saints with 16 games remaining already have 31 points.

 

Please, please, please stop with your negative nonsense. What do you gain from it?

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You are the one that thinks we need 40 points to stay up.

 

Are you unaware the bottom three have 18 points from 22 games?

 

They would need 22 points from the remaining 16 games to force Saints to need 40 points. Plus the teams above would also need an upturn in form. It won't happen as they have to be taking points off each other.

 

The bottom 3 are currently on course to finish on 31 points. Saints with 16 games remaining already have 31 points.

 

Please, please, please stop with your negative nonsense. What to you gain from it?

 

 

38 points will be largely enough anyway. Wins at home to Norwich and Cardiff and one other point required that's all.

However unless the wheels fall off completely in the coming weeks and I see no real reason that they should I personally am hopeful of catching up with Newcastle and finishing 8th. Looks like Cabaye will be going to PSG this window and they just aren't the same side without him, thus catchable.

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