Minty Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 If Cortese had really been working notice since 3 months ago then surely a more clear plan would be in place. Maybe it is. No one knows. So far we have been linked to making the Board appointments of an Ice Hockey coach and an Austrian agent with 20 lower league players to his name. So? What do you know of their qualities and ability? About the same as me I suspect? Of course the statement was great, and welcomed, and the parts about not selling players - completely welcome those things. But you arent telling me that those two above pieces sit right with you that they are clearly good moves? It doesn't seem to me like a huge recipe for success based on what is known so far. No one is looking for a 'huge recipe for success' from this early, temporary appointment. I would suggest most people simply expect to see things take place gradually and over a period of time. Give them a chance to do so. And I know you disliked Cortese, but nearly all football related decisions he made in 4 years were correct. Whoever comes in has a lot to live up to IF we want to keep being successful - which, as a supporter is what I would rather happened. As would we all - but to assume that this one INTERIM appointment somehow means that that won't happen is unfair IMO. I get the feeling that over the last 7 days people have began to dumb down what Cortese gave us, simply because he isnt here anymore. He did a great job in my book. But he's not here and we need to look forward, and judge the new board and CEO once they are ALL in place and have had time to develop their strategy. IMO judging things now is like judging a club for it's transfer window activity after one loan player has been brought just 3 days into the window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Two huge underwhelming appointments, now can we get a commitment from the board that they are prepared to spend to achieve our European ambitions? I wonder. How come when Cortese talked about CL you derided him and when KL doesn't mention CL in her first three days as Chairman you talk about lack of European ambition? Thats rhetorical btw, don't bother to reply, I know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 So interim until we're sold then.....Well that's the most optimistic explanation for the last few days...The alternative just reeks of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 If financial answer ability is what Katharina Liebherr wanted at the club, who better to put things in order than the Financial Director. Making him Interim CEO gives him all the power to get to the heart of whatever caused mistrust with Cortese running the show entirely by himself. It wouldn't make sense to put a permanent CEO in charge until finances have been put in order, and, if any, thewrong doings exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Really doesn't matter what club do or don`t do some people will moan and cast doubt on it and make up their often crazy take on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 So interim until we're sold then.....Well that's the most optimistic explanation for the last few days...The alternative just reeks of incompetence. I just cannot understand what is incompetent about putting an interim CEO in charge whilst you get your preferred choice.....I would love to know how you've come to that conclusion. In fact, many companies turn to their CFO when the CEO leaves until they find a replacement. If we'd have jumped the gun to get someone who was available rather than who we actually want (and I'm confident that's the reason for the INTERIM appointment) that would have been incompetent. KL's actions reflect a sensible approach to running a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 How come when Cortese talked about CL you derided him and when KL doesn't mention CL in her first three days as Chairman you talk about lack of European ambition? Thats rhetorical btw, don't bother to reply, I know the answer. I didn't believe Cortese and I dont know what Liebherr's intentions are as that statement is as clear as mud. It said everything and nothing, real politik. My guess is as good as anyones and no one knows 1) The club is for sale. 2) Retain players so when sold its should achieve a higher amount as its more attractive for the buyer. 3) Investment kept to a minimum as there is no point in buying players if you are selling. 4) Use continuity and stability as a guise to supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I just cannot understand what is incompetent about putting an interim CEO in charge whilst you get your preferred choice.....I would love to know how you've come to that conclusion. In fact, many companies turn to their CFO when the CEO leaves until they find a replacement. If we'd have jumped the gun to get someone who was available rather than who we actually want (and I'm confident that's the reason for the INTERIM appointment) that would have been incompetent. KL's actions reflect a sensible approach to running a business. fair points I think people come to that conclusion as NC was leaving for the last 3 months. now we have an interim with all the speculation of the club being sold etc we shall see in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I didn't believe Cortese and I dont know what Liebherr's intentions are as that statement is as clear as mud. It said everything and nothing, real politik. My guess is as good as anyones and no one knows 1) The club is for sale. 2) Retain players so when sold its should achieve a higher amount as its more attractive for the buyer. 3) Investment kept to a minimum as there is no point in buying players if you are selling. 4) Use continuity and stability as a guise to supporters. But the only real measure of continuity will be the results on the pitch, at the end of the day it's the only thing that a football club should be judged upon. All the rest is ancillary . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 But the only real measure of continuity will be the results on the pitch, at the end of the day it's the only thing that a football club should be judged upon. All the rest is ancillary . So you dont disagree with the points made? And what are our goals now Cortese has left, have they stopped or do they continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I just cannot understand what is incompetent about putting an interim CEO in charge whilst you get your preferred choice.....I would love to know how you've come to that conclusion. In fact, many companies turn to their CFO when the CEO leaves until they find a replacement. If we'd have jumped the gun to get someone who was available rather than who we actually want (and I'm confident that's the reason for the INTERIM appointment) that would have been incompetent. KL's actions reflect a sensible approach to running a business. The competent thing to do would have been to appoint Rogers as interim CEO the day Cortese left...it wasn't like she didn't know it was coming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Hey Gareth, congratulations on the new job. I wonder whether you post on here, like certain other SFC staff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 So you dont disagree with the points made? And what are our goals now Cortese has left, have they stopped or do they continue? I don't disagree because only the match performances and the results interest me, as long as we have good players and a good manager getting reasonable results I don't much care about the rest. When the results become "unreasonable or players start wanting to leave because of lack of ambition on the part of the club then I 'll take interest in the rest. It's football FFS. I have no interest in the U21s because the best players break through to the first team long before that, the old players, the beer, the pies and the club being "fan friendly" do not interest me a great deal. As long as the club remains stable on the pitch the rest doesn't matter. Well not to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 The competent thing to do would have been to appoint Rogers as interim CEO the day Cortese left...it wasn't like she didn't know it was coming.... What difference would that have made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Interim until end of the season when club is sold to a Consortium headed by Cortese. Planned all along. Cortese had to leave to ensure club can be valued correctly, European accounting regulations met and bid process is transparent. Cortese ensured his manager remains in place with heavy suggestion "to see the job out until summer" Pure conjecture, but probably as valid as many others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 What difference would that have made? Exactly, its hardly like she's taken long to do it (in relative terms). Maybe she wanted to draw up a list of candidates and find out who was available and when before appointing an interim CEO. If our preferred candidate had been available immediately then we might not have needed an interim at all. Again, the competent and responsible thing to do when running a business, only take action when you need to and have considered the circumstances. To call the appointment incompetent purely because it wasn't made on the day Cortese left is a bit silly. If you agree with the move in principal then the timing is not relevant as nothing drastic has happened whilst we didn't have a CEO, but it was clearly a situation that couldn't continue indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Maybe, just maybe we need someone in charge to do things like approve the paperwork for Billy's loan move, player wages, admin etc. Or, of course, we are being sold to Barry Briefcase and his band of merry men. **** sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 What difference would that have made? It would have shown we (club) were prepared for a start as opposed to the shock we (fans) had, also we would have reassured that the club was in safe hands acting quickly showing they knew this was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 What difference would that have made? Well without being an expert on these thing it may well have been seen as a positive and decisive move instead of letting a week or so go by and then just announcing an in house option anyway. I think it was said that they hoped to appoint a new CEO soon but we still don't know how soon soon actually is. It leaves too much open to speculation and that's never good. Once again as long as the 15 or 16 core players believe that we're on the same path and the manager is not discouraged in any way then nothing else really matters does it. Some of us remember the search for the "right man for the job" when Hoddle left A whole summer of procrastination and then we got Stuart Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 It would have shown we (club) were prepared for a start as opposed to the shock we (fans) had, also we would have reassured that the club was in safe hands acting quickly showing they knew this was coming. Yes, but what difference does a week make in that regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Some pretty firm conclusions being reached based on very little fact by some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 People are trying to guess way too much to suit their own personal feeling. But it's a CEO, why the hell are some people using the words ''Underwhelmed'' for a CEO? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Yes, but what difference does a week make in that regard? I think I have explained that, a decisive measure taken straight away shows we were and are prepared, getting a Ice Hockey guy in and someone from the opposite office does not inspire when this could have been unveiled that day. Anyway right or wrong it does not detract from the point these measures in my humble are there to keep the ship steady for selling and not for the future. Did Liebherr say what her goals are for the club by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 It inspires me as it means I might have a shot at the job. A fan on the board at last! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Some pretty firm conclusions being reached based on very little fact by some people. True how can people be as positive as they are without knowing what is going on behind the scenes, hope over fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I think I have explained that, a decisive measure taken straight away shows we were and are prepared, getting a Ice Hockey guy in and someone from the opposite office does not inspire when this could have been unveiled that day. Anyway right or wrong it does not detract from the point these measures in my humble are there to keep the ship steady for selling and not for the future. Did Liebherr say what her goals are for the club by the way? Right, so it doesn't actually make any difference to anything at the moment. And no, she hasn't stated in detail her plans for the club yet; would you rather she got fully to grips with everything before doing so, or just do it off the cuff on her first day? If we haven't got more information and a better set-up in several months time, then I would start to worry, not after one week of transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Whats happened with this John Williams guy then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Whats happened with this John Williams guy then ? Serving his notice I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Hey Gareth, congratulations on the new job. I wonder whether you post on here, like certain other SFC staff.... You mean Barry Sanchez and Glasgow Saint work at SFC? It's all starting to fall into place now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Whats happened with this John Williams guy then ? depends who you want to listen to. Personally I've no idea but some would willingly tell you that he's working out his notice at PGMOL (is that it ?) and will be here sometime or other. He's a non-exec at the ref's jobby so what his notice period would be who knows. Perhaps he has to go to the end of the season as did his predecessor. Perhaps we're looking for someone else ,more germanic and with a higher profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Right, so it doesn't actually make any difference to anything at the moment. And no, she hasn't stated in detail her plans for the club yet; would you rather she got fully to grips with everything before doing so, or just do it off the cuff on her first day? If we haven't got more information and a better set-up in several months time, then I would start to worry, not after one week of transition. She did not know this was coming? Is that what you are saying? Cortese was lying and she did not have 3 months to prepare a statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 depends who you want to listen to. Personally I've no idea but some would willingly tell you that he's working out his notice at PGMOL (is that it ?) and will be here sometime or other. He's a non-exec at the ref's jobby so what his notice period would be who knows. Perhaps he has to go to the end of the season as did his predecessor. Perhaps we're looking for someone else ,more germanic and with a higher profile. Is PGMOL a listed company? Might be worth a check on recent director activity if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 He was a senior manager employed by the largest auditing and accounting firm in the world, precisely why don't we trust him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 She did not know this was coming? Is that what you are saying? Cortese was lying and she did not have 3 months to prepare a statement? The 7 Ps: Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents p*** Poor Performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 He was a senior manager employed by the largest auditing and accounting firm in the world, precisely why don't we trust him? Is this the Ice Hockey fellow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 She did not know this was coming? Is that what you are saying? Cortese was lying and she did not have 3 months to prepare a statement? So what would you have realistically wanted to see and hear in this week? That she'll be spending £100m on a push for the Champions League? If we believe the bits that we've heard, she tried keeping hold of NC until pretty late on, the club can't make offers for any other CEOs while our existing one wasn't definitely leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 It inspires me as it means I might have a shot at the job. A lot of us might have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Educated to under-grad level and held a lower/middle management position at Deloitte. Uninspiring to say the least. Errrr I think a degree makes him a graduate usually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Is john williams not coming now?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Mmm, interim eh. In my experience the appointment of the CFO, even on an interim basis, is a sign that all is not well in camp SFC. I would wager we're seeing the 'swan principle' in action here...beautiful on the surface...paddling like fook below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Businesses the world over would have the Finance Director to step in if the CEO stood down unexpectedly/suddenly/died. Pretty standard practice. But quite lovely to see the assorted divs on here getting excited/belittling/sneering/forecasting doom. Bless you all. Good luck Gareth, although barely needed as you are filling in for someone utterly replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Businesses the world over would have the Finance Director to step in if the CEO stood down unexpectedly/suddenly/died. Pretty standard practice. But quite lovely to see the assorted divs on here getting excited/belittling/sneering/forecasting doom. Bless you all. Good luck Gareth, although barely needed as you are filling in for someone utterly replaceable. It's very interesting to see those who are being overly negative or predicting doom. Cult of Cortese indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Some pretty firm conclusions being reached based on very little fact by some people. Surely that is rule nos 1 on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Is john williams not coming now?! He might be serving his notice in his current job and Rogers is the stop gap as interim chief executive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 He might be serving his notice in his current job and Rogers is the stop gap as interim chief executive. How long would that be roughly, he's only been there 6 months or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I've had dealings with Gareth prior to him joining the club, and he's pretty good at what he does. CEO of a football club however, not too sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 I've had dealings with Gareth prior to him joining the club, and he's pretty good at what he does. CEO of a football club however, not too sure... It's only temporary though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 It's only temporary though. Agreed, and if he does a good job I'm sure he'll be in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 It's only temporary though. Doesnt take long to make a mess of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS Posted 22 January, 2014 Share Posted 22 January, 2014 Not surprised really, instructed to do so to save embarrassment. Nothing embarrassing on there tbh http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TMN-OSy_PwgJ:uk.linkedin.com/pub/gareth-rogers/21/652/9a7+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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