OldNick Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 But it seems to have been the case from day one that KL has wanted a "Premium" price for the club. Otherwise we'd have been bought by muppets by now. It may well now be WORTH 120mil. But let's face it she doesn't need the money so can afford to sit on the asset. As a negotiating tool the longer it is left the more risk to an interested party that some assets would be sold but she would STILL want the same price. She doesn't need the money but she doesn't also need the hassle. Her danger is that if she sold some of the assets the clubs worth would drop accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaintPhil Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I hope she don't sell it, and I don't think she will sell it. Its a gold mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 But it seems to have been the case from day one that KL has wanted a "Premium" price for the club. Otherwise we'd have been bought by muppets by now. It may well now be WORTH 120mil. But let's face it she doesn't need the money so can afford to sit on the asset. As a negotiating tool the longer it is left the more risk to an interested party that some assets would be sold but she would STILL want the same price. How do you know she doesn't need the money, I certainly don't. Wouldn't have inherited everything anyway, perhaps there wasn't much to inherit, certainly seems to never have had any intention to keep the core businesses running under the Mali banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Dont talk such rubbish. CB Fry says that Adam's contact is Cortese and CB Fry knows everything. True. It is a well known fact that CBFRY knows everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Yep, they are talking Saints know. * now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I hope she don't sell it, and I don't think she will sell it. Its a gold mine. no it's a bottomless pit; To stay in the PL you have to spend vast amounts of money, to gain any sort of success you have to spend 10 times as much. It's a game for very rich men, men with untold wealth and everlasting sources of income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I once spent an interesting drive up to Doncaster listening to Leon Crouch's explanation of the Tommac/Paul Allen takeover. I was staggered how, based on very little evidence, Tommac was able to convince the board at the time there was something in the story that Allen was interested and even managed to fleece them for more than a few grand. Like all Saints fans I desperately wanted the Allen thing to be true but at the time, when I think of all the hours I spent on the forums waiting for the final announcement that our club was rich and yet at the end of the day it was all based on a con man and a very naiive board, then I am going to be truly sceptical about this story. One thing I know when it comes to football clubs being for sale every Walter Mitty, tyre kicker, nutjob and fantasist comes out of the woodwork. And even if it is true I am not sure I want it to happen, especially if it means the return of the bully. Yep we all believe our club is very desirable and the worlds rich would like a piece. The reality was that when we were so close to extinction we had Pinnacle and Mark Jackson as our best chance!!! Iam so glad the bully had the foresight to save our great club so we can still have our spats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So, the journo in the studio said that he thought he knew who Peter White's source was and that it was a good reliable source, but he felt it was a story being manufactured / embellished by the Liebherr camp to generate interest from elsewhere. All good fun whatever the reality and the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 The reality was that when we were so close to extinction we had Pinnacle and Mark Jackson as our best chance!!! We were never close to extinction, Leibherr had already made a firm offer before the Pinnacle thing. I expect there were other people interested as well in what Marcus described as the "deal of the century". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Yep we all believe our club is very desirable and the worlds rich would like a piece. The reality was that when we were so close to extinction we had Pinnacle and Mark Jackson as our best chance!!! Iam so glad the bully had the foresight to save our great club so we can still have our spats Nick your traditional obsequiousness always undermines the value I attach to your opinions. In other words you would say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 We were never close to extinction, Leibherr had already made a firm offer before the Pinnacle thing. I expect there were other people interested as well in what Marcus described as the "deal of the century". Indeed there were, don't forget Anthony Salz and Morph's friends. Good solid, honest Saints fans who would not have let the club die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Just thinking back to the summer, and the sponsor/kit fiasco. Sunseeker have alot of gold in their logo. Any credibilty that there could have been something discussed then, hence the kit decision to go with gold logos. If Cortese decided back in the autumn that he wanted out, was this a possibility. Obviously if he wanted to pursue the takeover he would need to be out of his role as CEO or face a conflict of interest. Absolutely no source, just me, hypothesising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 peter white this story has substance and credibility heard about it thursday have enough info to write the story or would not source is very much ITK and has connections with both saints and dalian group Believe NC has been approached, this is not just a spat with the owner NC is an astute man and would not just "walk away" Talks will take place between KL and dalian group wont do KL any good what so ever to sell anyone of note, will only devalue to the club Dalian group VERY interesting in buying up UK assets other journo in studio saints are NOT worth £175m story set up by KL to serve he own interests to spark a bidding war chinese wont come in for saints, simple as that. never ever, Not this man who is very close to the government in china saints only worth £120m MAX KL is definitely a seller it will NOT be this man to buy the club southampton are a fabulous football club but suited for american owners wonderful support base in the south, could easily increase their ground they also stated that we have easily the best academy in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So, the journo in the studio said that he thought he knew who Peter White's source was and that it was a good reliable source, but he felt it was a story being manufactured / embellished by the Liebherr camp to generate interest from elsewhere. All good fun whatever the reality and the outcome. You mean they are trying to flush somebody else out? There is another interested party? I mean IF she wants to sell the club how the hell does she expect anyone to KNOW it is for sale if she doesn't "mention it" OK I understand Keith Harris is past his sell by date these days, but not ONE Journo, in Europe has been able to definitively state "Sources Indicate SFC is for sale" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 (edited) We were never close to extinction, Leibherr had already made a firm offer before the Pinnacle thing. I expect there were other people interested as well in what Marcus described as the "deal of the century". I'm sorry but there were no other parties in position to buy us. Although it was rumoured that there were waiting in the backgroundwho were prepared to pay 6m (6m)if all else failed.Liebherrs had made an offer but Mark Fry had made Pinnacle the preferential bidder. ML could easily have walked as he was frustrated by that. Edited 19 January, 2014 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 (edited) So, the journo in the studio said that he thought he knew who Peter White's source was and that it was a good reliable source, but he felt it was a story being manufactured / embellished by the Liebherr camp to generate interest from elsewhere. All good fun whatever the reality and the outcome. Yep, interesting he thought he knew who White's source was -and didn't outright dismiss its credibility. Ironically, he thought it was the strongest part of White's story. The journo's case against hinged largely on the general likelihood of a chinese, state sponsored company buying a foreign football club - improbable, if not impossible in his view. In other words, most of his objections were not linked to any details about our case. But without knowing the source and knowing its only one source, the story does seem all a bit tenuous. Edited 19 January, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Southampton Red Dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMidfieldGeneral Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Southampton Red Dragons? Or Golden Dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I'm sorry but there were no other parties in position to buy us. source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 source? Nick knows nothing but he talks like he knows everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So the view that we're not worth £175m is based on what exactly - given that the only PL club that has changed hands recently is Fulham - for £150m? Given we're higher in the table so less chance of relegation this season and bigger prize money, our academy is considered 'the best in the country' to quote someone from Talksport & our stadium is larger so has better revenue production (not to mention the need to spend on at least one new stand at Fulham), I would say £175m is probably about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So the view that we're not worth £175m is based on what exactly - given that the only PL club that has changed hands recently is Fulham - for £150m? Given we're higher in the table so less chance of relegation this season and bigger prize money, our academy is considered 'the best in the country' to quote someone from Talksport & our stadium is larger so has better revenue production (not to mention the need to spend on at least one new stand at Fulham), I would say £175m is probably about right. Yes, we do offer more than Fulham in many areas, but a key factor they have in their favour in terms of their value is they have a riverside site in West London. Craven Cottage's land value would be enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 19 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Yawnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Yawnnn Any further updates from your sources? That'll help get the thread back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillil Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So the view that we're not worth £175m is based on what exactly - given that the only PL club that has changed hands recently is Fulham - for £150m? Given we're higher in the table so less chance of relegation this season and bigger prize money, our academy is considered 'the best in the country' to quote someone from Talksport & our stadium is larger so has better revenue production (not to mention the need to spend on at least one new stand at Fulham), I would say £175m is probably about right. Regarding the value of our club... Have any of you on here ever had a look at Transfermarkt.co.uk?? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ Really good site with lots and lots of stats and seems to be fair with respect market values of players. Has saints rated 9th; below the usual bunch but higher than the rest of the mid to low clubs. Very interesting if you like that kind of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillil Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Regarding the value of our club... Have any of you on here ever had a look at Transfermarkt.co.uk?? Really good site with lots and lots of stats and seems to be fair with respect market values of players. Has saints rated 9th; below the usual bunch but higher than the rest of the mid to low clubs. Very interesting if you like that kind of thing And very importantly, we don't have any players on loan, whereas the value of most clubs include player they do not own and have paid for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Any further updates from your sources? That'll help get the thread back on track. Doubtfull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 So the view that we're not worth £175m is based on what exactly - given that the only PL club that has changed hands recently is Fulham - for £150m? Given we're higher in the table so less chance of relegation this season and bigger prize money, our academy is considered 'the best in the country' to quote someone from Talksport & our stadium is larger so has better revenue production (not to mention the need to spend on at least one new stand at Fulham), I would say £175m is probably about right. Agreed but a sizeable chunk of the fulham fee was probably due to the price of the land that craven cottage is sitting on. That and the fact that they seem to think KL is desperate to sell (not sure where that info is coming from) which probably knocks a little off the price aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Nick knows nothing but he talks like he knows everything I don't know everything, I do know that you are very precious and if anybody dares to have a different opinion to yours you get pretty tetchy and throw your toys out of the pram. I respect and enjoy your ability to publish a book but that does not stop me adding my opinion right or wrong, on a forum. If you stood back and thought ,you may understand that we all do not make our judgements on the Chairman on the basis of your commercial enterprises. You obviously have your circle of friends/contacts but that does not mean you have all the facts. Excuse me for being grateful to NC but also if the facts come out that he indeed was a negative to the club I will be happy to move my stance. I also suspect you will be praying he does not return,as I do wonder if your thread telling the world that one of his close colleagues was disloyal no sooner the door had closed could cost him his job. At this time my loyalty is with KL as I hope she will do the best for the club and her fathers wishes.Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 What is the net present value of the academy - £120m is ridiculously cheap when you include that cash cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Yawnnn Good evening Mr White... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I'm sorry but there were no other parties in position to buy us. Another party did buy us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Another party did buy us It must have been the wording in my post that did not make that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Nobody knows why Cortese left or what KL wants to do with Saints - let alone whether she thinks £120m is risible or not. All we know is Saints are looking for a CEO and expect an appointment quickly. It would be odd to make a new CEO appointment if you were about to sell imminently - you'd simply place the club in the hands of nominees from a law firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 19 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Doubtfull Stock up on some and you will make killing in a few months stood outside the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulful Odin Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 With regards to our value , id put us nearer 200 m than 120. Rickie 7 , JRod 12 , Lallana 15 , Ward Prowse 12, Schneiderlein 15 , Cork 5 , Wanyama 15, Ramirez 12 , Shaw 20, Lovren 18 , Clyne 10, Chambers 5 puts our squad at about 150 market value including chump change for the others, I dont think any of those prices are unreasonable , personally i feel some are far to conseravtive but as I expect some opposition to it I always knocked off a few million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 19 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Why are you all putting a value in the club. Its impossible. Its worth what someone wants to pay, and also what the owner is happy to except. Obviously it would be worth more if more than one person wants to buy it. If you were wanting to buy the club you would be mad if you wanted it public knowledge and possible alert any others who may want to bid you up for one reason or another. Yawnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 ������ Stock up on some �� and you will make killing in a few months stood outside the stadium. ���� Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 With regards to our value , id put us nearer 200 m than 120. Rickie 7 , JRod 12 , Lallana 15 , Ward Prowse 12, Schneiderlein 15 , Cork 5 , Wanyama 15, Ramirez 12 , Shaw 20, Lovren 18 , Clyne 10, Chambers 5 puts our squad at about 150 market value including chump change for the others, I dont think any of those prices are unreasonable , personally i feel some are far to conseravtive but as I expect some opposition to it I always knocked off a few million. Adding up the possible values of the players is not how potential owners put a value on football clubs they wish to takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Regarding the value of our club... Have any of you on here ever had a look at Transfermarkt.co.uk?? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ Really good site with lots and lots of stats and seems to be fair with respect market values of players. Has saints rated 9th; below the usual bunch but higher than the rest of the mid to low clubs. Very interesting if you like that kind of thing That is weird as it is not to far off the league table standings...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 With regards to our value , id put us nearer 200 m than 120. Rickie 7 , JRod 12 , Lallana 15 , Ward Prowse 12, Schneiderlein 15 , Cork 5 , Wanyama 15, Ramirez 12 , Shaw 20, Lovren 18 , Clyne 10, Chambers 5 puts our squad at about 150 market value including chump change for the others, I dont think any of those prices are unreasonable , personally i feel some are far to conseravtive but as I expect some opposition to it I always knocked off a few million. That's not really how it works, as it's all so fluid. A potential fee for a player isn't ever set in stone, so why would anyone pay a set fee for a club based on the fact that they MAY get certain $$$ for a player at some point in the future. And if.....we don't sell them, then they are never actually worth anything in that sense. A takeover price is usually based upon the facilities and potential, any land ties etc. The development of Staplewood will add a hell of a lot to the price of the club, and so will all the renovation work to St Mary's that has been done over the years. And, knock about 5m off Gaston's price and 5m off JWP to make that a little more realisitc. Wouldn't say JWP is worth more than Cork....at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 With regards to our value , id put us nearer 200 m than 120. Rickie 7 , JRod 12 , Lallana 15 , Ward Prowse 12, Schneiderlein 15 , Cork 5 , Wanyama 15, Ramirez 12 , Shaw 20, Lovren 18 , Clyne 10, Chambers 5 puts our squad at about 150 market value including chump change for the others, I dont think any of those prices are unreasonable , personally i feel some are far to conseravtive but as I expect some opposition to it I always knocked off a few million. Players are not "assets" they are staff. Assets are tangible and include; the ground, the training ground, Jackon's Farm, equipment etc., and then guaranteed income. Our market value will be the value of the land + equipment on the asset register and future income. Players are staff and do not count; staff have no tangible value in business terms. Any decent Accountant on here will hopefully be able to explain this more concisely than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 ������ Stock up on some �� and you will make killing in a few months stood outside the stadium. Eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/454645/Saints-star-Luke-Shaw-tells-friends-he-wants-30m-Chelsea-move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Found a good interview with Mr Jianlin http://www.tomspender.com/stories/interview-with-dalian-wandas-wang-jianlin/ And Wang, an avid football fan, was really in the spotlight in July when he provided US$95 million to sponsor the Chinese Super League. Wanda sponsored a Dalian football team in the early 1990s but Wang later withdrew after becoming disillusioned with corruption and match-fixing. But he says he has been encouraged by signs that the Chinese Football Association is cleaning up its act and wants to help Chinese football flourish. Wang also bristles at suggestions that his involvement in football makes him ‘China’s Roman Abramovich’, referring to the Russian billionaire who owns London’s Chelsea football club. “There is no disrespect intended, I just mean to say that there are different paths for making a fortune,” he says. “Most Russian billionaires just grabbed a share of state-owned assets and became rich overnight. Chinese businessmen started from scratch and developed step by step.” In any case, he says, the sponsorship’s aim is to develop young Chinese footballers through its ‘Chinese Football Star of Hope’, in which gifted young Chinese players will be sent to train with Atletico Madrid, Villareal and Valencia in Spain. FACT BOX Football team: Real Madrid Favourite city for a holiday: Orlando for the theme parks What do you like to buy abroad: Clothes. Every year I go to the Champs-Elysees in Paris to stock up on clothes What is most important in a hotel: the style of luxury Favourite city in China: Shanghai Favourite brand of clothing: Lanvin What do you do in your free time: I don’t have any free time! Wang is 57 years old, lives in Beijing, is married with one son. ENDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/454645/Saints-star-Luke-Shaw-tells-friends-he-wants-30m-Chelsea-move he will be gone by start of next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 This Chinese thing is obviously not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 We don't know what has happened, and we won't know what is happening until official sources tell us. the speculation is fun...I remember tuning into a obscure radio station during the supposed Paul Allen takeover to hear complete denials,yet some still believed. Tommac,Helpmerhonda,st Lee,st David all knew sod all.....but convinced many.....you gullible fools.....me included. 'its all fluid' one of my favourite phrases thought out the saga.....and a great get out clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Players are not "assets" they are staff. Assets are tangible and include; the ground, the training ground, Jackon's Farm, equipment etc., and then guaranteed income. Our market value will be the value of the land + equipment on the asset register and future income. Players are staff and do not count; staff have no tangible value in business terms. Any decent Accountant on here will hopefully be able to explain this more concisely than I. I think the player contracts count as assets because they have a realizable value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 We don't know what has happened, and we won't know what is happening until official sources tell us. the speculation is fun...I remember tuning into a obscure radio station during the supposed Paul Allen takeover to hear complete denials,yet some still believed. Tommac,Helpmerhonda,st Lee,st David all knew sod all.....but convinced many.....you gullible fools.....me included. 'its all fluid' one of my favourite phrases thought out the saga.....and a great get out clause. Didn't we manage to get a radio station to send questions to Paul Allen in America? Ha that was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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