Huffton Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 If you watch the tv replay h does get a slight touch on the ball, but it is slight. The follow through however is clearly reckless and warranted a minimum yellow card, tge touch on the ball is so slight its irrelevant. I imagine with all that happened over the last few weeks Saints are just keeping quiet, I just dont see how another pro could say that was a fair challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Even if he did touch the ball first (which I'm yet to see from any of the video footage)... So what? That doesn't make it not a foul, its a common misconception that touching the ball first makes it not a foul automatically. It was a tackle from behind, both his feet leave the ground and was reckless, plus he was the last man. Can you repeat that one more time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 I await the MOTD verdict with interest. Given MotD didn't show the 'should have been a red' karate kick on Lallana last week (let alone debate it) I wouldn't hold your breath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 If you watch the tv replay h does get a slight touch on the ball, but it is slight. The follow through however is clearly reckless and warranted a minimum yellow card, tge touch on the ball is so slight its irrelevant. I imagine with all that happened over the last few weeks Saints are just keeping quiet, I just dont see how another pro could say that was a fair challenge. Being last man and Ramirez was through on goal upgrades it to a red card, so does it being a reckless lunge from behind with both legs airborne so he can't possibly be in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Can you repeat that one more time? Maybe he'll stop repeating it doesn't matter whether or not he touched it when people stop repeating that he did touch it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Can you repeat that one more time? Well you've failed to acknowledge those points that counter your view each time I've put it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 He got the ball - just. But if you tackle like that outside the box it is easy for the Ref to give a foul as it was a dangerous last ditch lunge. In the box it is harder for the Ref's to give it as they often bottle marginal decisions. Foy did bottle it but I can see the argument as to why it wasn't given when it occurred in the box. If anyone did that outside the box he is giving a foul - because even though the ball was touched first it was excessive force and a dangerous tackle. We know there shouldn't be different rules in and out the box but history says the Ref's interpret things differently like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 I thought at the time and from one replay it was fair tackle and Brown got the ball. After watching it in slow mo several times its clear Brown doesn't get a touch and it was a pretty reckless lunge. Can't blame the ref for not spotting it at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 He got the ball - just Don't think he did. If he had the ball would have changed direction, going at 90 degrees to Gaston. It carried on straight ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 I don't agree. He doesn't get it for me on that gif posted above. Clearly touches it with his toe first, though it is irrelevant. Those who don't see the touch really need to go to Specsavers or become PL referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Clearly touches it with his toe first, though it is irrelevant. Those who don't see the touch really need to go to Specsavers or become PL referees I must need a visit to Specsavers then, because I see nothing in here from the movement of the ball that suggests Brown touches it. Gaston touches it on just before he is clattered, Brown just lunges studs up straight into his leg. But then like you said, it is irrelevant if Brown touches the ball first as that is eclipsed as it was a reckless airborne lunge from behind and he was the last man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 He got the ball - just. But if you tackle like that outside the box it is easy for the Ref to give a foul as it was a dangerous last ditch lunge. In the box it is harder for the Ref's to give it as they often bottle marginal decisions. Foy did bottle it but I can see the argument as to why it wasn't given when it occurred in the box. If anyone did that outside the box he is giving a foul - because even though the ball was touched first it was excessive force and a dangerous tackle. We know there shouldn't be different rules in and out the box but history says the Ref's interpret things differently like that. It wasn't in the box. The "foul" was committed in the D, just outside the box. And can't believe people are still saying that Brown got a touch on the ball when the gif on this thread clearly shows he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 I must need a visit to Specsavers then, because I see nothing in here from the movement of the ball that suggests Brown touches it. Gaston touches it on just before he is clattered, Brown just lunges studs up straight into his leg. But then like you said, it is irrelevant as it was an airborne lunge from behind. it looks vaguely like the ball moves back or to the right just before gaston kicks it but that could be because the camera continues panning, while the ball slows down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 It wasn't in the box. The "foul" was committed in the D, just outside the box. And can't believe people are still saying that Brown got a touch on the ball when the gif on this thread clearly shows he didn't. Hmm so it was. It looked in the box from the other end. In which case I agree that Foy bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Hmm so it was. It looked in the box from the other end. In which case I agree that Foy bottled it. I don't know, I think Foy is a ****, but in this case from the angle he saw it, I think it could look like Brown got to the ball first, and perhaps the reckless contact on Gaston was shielded from his view by Brown's body. The wrong decision by Foy, but I can understand why he didn't give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Foul for me, even if he got the slightest touch of the ball, the contact on Gaston meant that he couldn't continue his run. Brown was beat and it was a desperate lunge. Ultimately, if he's broken Gastons ankle then it's clearly reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 So if he touches the ball (which I dont see), then Gaston touches it and after that Brown takes Gaston down. Then there is no situation with "touching the ball first", that could come in play if the ball is cleared with that contact and it surely isn´t.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 :DLovren and Ramirez are both travelling back to Southampton with their team mates... Gaston has been given a spare leg by the trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Even if Brown does touch it with his toe the ball doesn't change direction. Instead it continues in front of Gaston who would have had a goalscoring opportunity if he wasn't scythed down recklessly. A clear foul on a player through on goal. A red card and free kick would have been the result if Saints weren't such a nice team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 It was clearly a foul - end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Make up your own mind, I'm going foul.. http://bit.ly/1eU9RPz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Make up your own mind, I'm going foul.. http://bit.ly/1eU9RPz Definitely a foul whether it was intentional or not. The tackle came from behind and for me got Ramirez full on the ankle just missing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Brown's tackle was reckless yet fair at the same time if that makes sense, he is an awful defender who is clumsy throughout his play, none more so than his passing and distribution but the tackle was fair, I also feel for Ramirez, I dont like him as a player as everyone knows but feel for the lad and hope he returns quickly and stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 It is marginally possible that he accidentally made a slight contact with the ball, which was getting in the way of Gaston's legs, which was the real target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Out of interest, what was wrong with Boruc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 It is marginally possible that he accidentally made a slight contact with the ball, which was getting in the way of Gaston's legs, which was the real target. Not too sure you can send someone off with your suspicion, imagine that was transferred into the modern day living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Out of interest, what was wrong with Boruc? He saved a shot with his testicles and was in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Looks a foul to me. It's one of those ones where the defender knows even if he touches it he is on his arse so has to take out the attacker to be sure of stopping the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Brown's tackle was reckless yet fair at the same time if that makes sense, he is an awful defender who is clumsy throughout his play, none more so than his passing and distribution but the tackle was fair, I also feel for Ramirez, I dont like him as a player as everyone knows but feel for the lad and hope he returns quickly and stronger. Reckless equals foul these days, probably not in the 80's or even maybe the 90's but these days it´s in the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Out of interest, what was wrong with Boruc? Pointed to his back when he was talking to the ref while Lovren was down so I would think it was something with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Stop using a stutter gif to clutch at straws. BT replays at the time show that Brown gets the ball, playing it off Ramirez... Hence no direction change. I can even see it in the gif but that's probably as I've seen other angles. However, I'm not sure the ref would have seen that so probably still bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 In 1975 it was a brilliant tackle. In 2014 it looks like a red card. Any TV pundit who reckons it is fine as he 'got the ball' is a dinosaur who has no understanding of the modern game and has no relevant insight to offer. To be a brilliant tackle in 2014 he should have led with his toes and taken the ball cleanly, not lunged in studs first. He has form. He is that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 In 1975 it was a brilliant tackle. In 2014 it looks like a red card. Any TV pundit who reckons it is fine as he 'got the ball' is a dinosaur who has no understanding of the modern game and has no relevant insight to offer. To be a brilliant tackle in 2014 he should have led with his toes and taken the ball cleanly, not lunged in studs first. He has form. He is that type of player. So ex international players don't know what they're on about yet a load of posters on a mongboard who have likely never played the game at any decent level do, glad we cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 So ex international players don't know what they're on about yet a load of posters on a mongboard who have likely never played the game at any decent level do, glad we cleared that up. A mongboard? I wonder what one would call one of the most prolific posters on a board for mongs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Stop using a stutter gif to clutch at straws. BT replays at the time show that Brown gets the ball, playing it off Ramirez... Hence no direction change. I can even see it in the gif but that's probably as I've seen other angles. However, I'm not sure the ref would have seen that so probably still bottled it. Even if Brown did touch the ball first... so what? That doesn't automatically make it not a foul. Amazing how many still believe this. It was still a tackle from behind and a reckless one at that, where by both his feet left the ground so he wasn't in control and his studs are up and could have snapped Ramirez's leg in two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Stop using a stutter gif to clutch at straws. BT replays at the time show that Brown gets the ball, playing it off Ramirez... Hence no direction change. I can even see it in the gif but that's probably as I've seen other angles. However, I'm not sure the ref would have seen that so probably still bottled it. The gif isn't stuttery at all, in fact it is the best quality replay I have seen anywhere since the game. It clearly shows that Brown either makes no contact with the ball, or if he does, it is a feather like touch on the way to taking out Gaston's ankle (and is irrelevant anyway). A good quality video replay from the same angle the gif is taken from would show the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 In 1975 it was a brilliant tackle. In 2014 it looks like a red card. Any TV pundit who reckons it is fine as he 'got the ball' is a dinosaur who has no understanding of the modern game and has no relevant insight to offer. To be a brilliant tackle in 2014 he should have led with his toes and taken the ball cleanly, not lunged in studs first. He has form. He is that type of player. Yep, Brown is a thuggish slogger and he knew he had to take Gaston out to save the game. I'm sure if he got a red card for it he, and his manager, would have still thought it worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 A mongboard? I wonder what one would call one of the most prolific posters on a board for mongs? Glasgow Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 A mongboard? I wonder what one would call one of the most prolific posters on a board for mongs? Glasgow Saint. Haha! Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Even if Brown did touch the ball first... so what? That doesn't automatically make it not a foul. Amazing how many still believe this. It was still a tackle from behind and a reckless one at that, where by both his feet left the ground so he wasn't in control and his studs are up and could have snapped Ramirez's leg in two. Didn't Schneiderlin get a yellow earlier this season for a tackle where he very clearly took the ball first but the follow through was deemed dangerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Didn't Schneiderlin get a yellow earlier this season for a tackle where he very clearly took the ball first but the follow through was deemed dangerous? Yep, he did. And it wasn't as reckless as Brown's challenge today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Adam Blackmore tweeting that the Saints manager & players considered it a fair tackle, but what would they know. Makes you laugh doesn't it? The referee, the commentators and analysts , and even the saints manager and players consider it a fair tackle, but saints posters demand apologies and a red. No doubt when match of the day conclude the same or ignore it, it'll be part of this massive anti saints conspiracy. Had a saints player made the tackle , they'd be hailing it. Apart from here has anybody called it a red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Makes you laugh doesn't it? The referee, the commentators and analysts , and even the saints manager and players consider it a fair tackle, but saints posters demand apologies and a red. No doubt when match of the day conclude the same or ignore it, it'll be part of this massive anti saints conspiracy. Had a saints player made the tackle , they'd be hailing it. Apart from here has anybody called it a red? Yep, people from many different teams on reddit.com/r/soccer are also calling it a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Even if Brown did touch the ball first... so what? That doesn't automatically make it not a foul. Amazing how many still believe this. It was still a tackle from behind and a reckless one at that, where by both his feet left the ground so he wasn't in control and his studs are up and could have snapped Ramirez's leg in two. He did not go through him for one, he touched the ball first and he caught him in the referees opinion unintentionally, thats it really. You can tackle from behind as well if you dont go through a player, dont be biased, be fair and objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Makes you laugh doesn't it? The referee, the commentators and analysts , and even the saints manager and players consider it a fair tackle, but saints posters demand apologies and a red. No doubt when match of the day conclude the same or ignore it, it'll be part of this massive anti saints conspiracy. Had a saints player made the tackle , they'd be hailing it. Apart from here has anybody called it a red? So if his ankle's broken is it still a fair tackle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cableguy Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 So if his ankle's broken is it still a fair tackle? By the laws of the game...............Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 By the laws of the game...............Yes So what are the laws of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Glasgow Saint. What do they call the third most prolific poster on the mongboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Didn't Schneiderlin get a yellow earlier this season for a tackle where he very clearly took the ball first but the follow through was deemed dangerous? It made Newcastle bench go bananas (with little to no reason at all) and therefor our best striker has been serving a ban... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 What do they call the third most prolific poster on the mongboard? Dull drums/Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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