Colinjb Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Not hard at all. Samuel's article is completely contrary to one of football's more accurate cliches "Money doesn't guarantee success". He attempts to suggest that Cortese was merely an efficient administrator (which in itself is underestimated given the numerous other clubs that have suffered from serious financial mismanagement) which is incorrect. Cortese appointed Adkins and Poch and there are several accounts of his skill as a negotiator. Whether or not he is an odious character is besides the point. He got the major calls correct on a consistent basis and our success as a result has been almost unprecedented since he arrived. The article also completely ignores smooth transition after Marcus' death which must also have had something to do with Cortese. In my view attempts to discredit the achievements of Cortese from various posters and the media, either because they didn't like him or to reassure themselves as to our future plight now he has departed, are vitriolic and ill-conceived and I fear that history will demonstrate the same. Hopefully I am wrong. I have to echo this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Martin Samuel vs Neil Ashton Both are utterly terrible. One's a fat, wheezing **** much like the breathless hyperbole of his prose who can only make a living by murdering nuance with exaggeration and peddling provocation for originality; the other is a weasel shill whose irredeemable lack of talent requires him to cultivate sources by making Faustian pacts and even more sordid acts. Pick your poison. But worse are the helmets on here who choose one journo over the other to confirm their prejudices. Sure you were saying all this after Ashton love article a few weeks back? Judging by your prose you may have pretensions of writing for a broadsheet yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Not hard at all. Samuel's article is completely contrary to one of football's more accurate cliches "Money doesn't guarantee success". He attempts to suggest that Cortese was merely an efficient administrator (which in itself is underestimated given the numerous other clubs that have suffered from serious financial mismanagement) which is incorrect. Cortese appointed Adkins and Poch and there are several accounts of his skill as a negotiator. Whether or not he is an odious character is besides the point. He got the major calls correct on a consistent basis and our success as a result has been almost unprecedented since he arrived. The article also completely ignores smooth transition after Marcus' death which must also have had something to do with Cortese. In my view attempts to discredit the achievements of Cortese from various posters and the media, either because they didn't like him or to reassure themselves as to our future plight now he has departed, are vitriolic and ill-conceived and I fear that history will demonstrate the same. Hopefully I am wrong. Exactly and as so often the case a balanced view is needed. NC is a loss no doubt but not the end of the world. Funny how Sunderland ditched their director of football this week and seems to have passed without much comment in media to what surely is a key position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 People say Cortese 'spent other people's money well' as if it's easy. As if the Premier League doesn't have a long history of chairmen spending other people's money very badly. I dont believe he sanctioned the money well at all Guly Lee Ramirez Osvaldo Forren De Ridder Gazzaniga Mayuka The argument that he bought crap is justified with that, and the striking thing is our better ones have come from the Leagues from the UK, not Italy or abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 And there's a good chance we would be languishing in the lower leagues, still in administration or non-existent so I can accept him overseeing some transfers that didn't hit it off completely dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 I dont believe he sanctioned the money well at all Guly Lee Ramirez Osvaldo Forren De Ridder Gazzaniga Mayuka The argument that he bought crap is justified with that, and the striking thing is our better ones have come from the Leagues from the UK, not Italy or abroad. Seriously? He scouted them? And none have played a part in our rise. Guly has played a significant part - he might not be starting 11, but successive mangers seem to pick him. I take your point about Forren and Mayuka, but the rest? Boruc Clyne Fonte Lovren Wanyama Cork JRod Lambert Are current counters to your argument, or did Cortese only pick the duds? No to mention others =who did a job but are now departed (or near as dammit): Butterfield Richardson Harding Sharp Barnard Connolly etc etc Cortese does seem an odious little **** from the outside, but you've picked the wrong stick to beat him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 January, 2014 Share Posted 18 January, 2014 Nicola who? He's gone, time to draw a line and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 April, 2014 Share Posted 24 April, 2014 This signals the Liebherr's bringing in Rupert Lowe to oversee the sell off. What goes up comes down and so the circle turns and what went returns. You need a doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 24 April, 2014 Share Posted 24 April, 2014 You need a doctor he'll need the doctor judging by the age of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 24 April, 2014 Share Posted 24 April, 2014 You need a doctor Why are you on a 3 month old thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 April, 2014 Share Posted 24 April, 2014 he'll need the doctor judging by the age of this thread. Yeah sorry... it just got quoted in another thread and then I read that rubbish..... fed up with the mentalists ruining the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 April, 2014 Share Posted 24 April, 2014 Why are you on a 3 month old thread? Why are you on goldfingers ranch........... join the mentalist line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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