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Get a grip some of you. He wasn't the one with the money and he had little say on the on-field matters. Unless Pochettino goes (which wouldn't be all that much of a disaster) and all our best players leave then this is pretty irrelevant. Hopefully Le Tiss/Benali can be welcome at the club again and we can get our stripes back next season.

Just about the most myopic view I have ever read on this forum - and that is going some.

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That sounds like drama queen speculation by the author. How can contracted players "walk away"?? Are they going on strike or something?

 

Neil Ashton is well connected enough that he doesn't need to speculate. It's sensationally written of course, but won't have come from nowhere. His source may have wanted to paint a picture, though.

 

We know two things right now:

1. Contracted players engineer moves all the time.

2. The stability which we felt prevented unwanted sales is currently in question. The financial situation is still healthy, but not every player will remain committed. They'll all be re-evaluating their positions now, as Morgan Schneiderlin said in May. It's likely that at least one will fall on the other side of the line and seek a move away. A lot depends on Pochettino, how Katharina handles the players and when and by whom Cortese will be properly replaced.

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Devils advocate, but if mopo goes and you sell lambert and shaw for somewhere between 30-40m for the pair then that's a pretty decent transfer kitty to tempt a new manager with and persuade the team that you can still compete. Luckily, due to your points total, if it all falls apart a bit this season then you should have until September to get the club back together and still be ok.

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Pastor patron and others 'leave of the abuse re obese folk out of the debate there is no effing need for such obscenities, do your friggin research and you will see that a lot if men but mainly women have no control about weight gain . Various gynae and hormonal problems that can cause weight gain . I have relatives who eat very healthily salads etc to try and reduce their weight gain . They do not binge eat etc etc . Medical conditions cause this sort of obesity .

 

There are some right Bloody ignorant morons on here today .

 

Sorry mods but it needs saying

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

I'm guessing there's a chance you might be overweight yourself judging by your rant?

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I've been away from this forum since early this morning, so when I last read it there were just rumours about Cortese going that could be dismissed as paper talk. What a shock to read the official announcement that he has actually gone.

 

But then again, it was also a massive shock to read that Adkins had gone last season and in the cold light of day after the numbness had eased, his replacement hasn't done too shabbily. Who is to say that we are not now entering another period of evolution which won't improve us further?

 

It is natural that such events as these will trigger all sorts of conjecture about the implications for our future and speculation about the motives of the two main protagonists, Cortese and Katherina Liebherr, but until there is something concrete in the form of a statement by either party as to their reasons for this eventuality, it is useless making predictions as to what the future holds for us.

 

The press are having a field day suggesting that all of our best players will be off to glory clubs and some bedwetters on here are wringing their hands predicting a China Syndrome type meltdown. People need to get a grip of themselves and exercise some patience until things become clearer. Within the next few days it will probably emerge whether Pochettino will wish to leave, whether any of the players might wish to go. But I suspect that the players are a fairly tightly knit group and the wiser heads among them will advise their colleagues to sit tight and wait for events to unfold further before making any rash decisions. It has been suggested that some of them were tempted to come here or remain here because of the "project", the ambitious aim to be in Champions League football within a certain timespan. Who is to say that the project dies with the departure of Cortese? Why shouldn't others who might be appointed in his place not be similarly ambitious on the instructions of Miss Liebherr?

 

Tomorrow's another day; let's see what it brings in the way of clarification from sources that are more reliable than those which are currently sending the more excitable on here into a tizz.

 

Superb and sensible post.

 

KL may well be committed to the growth of the club. Her family are hugely successful. I for one will sit back, relax and see what the coming days and weeks brings.

 

Instinct tells me that we'll be fine. Really there are 2 outcomes.

 

1. KL stays. If so she'll want to be a success.

2. KL sells. If so someone will be paying mega money, perhaps £150-300m. Two points arise:

A. Anyone paying that will be a serious player and we shouldn't fear the worst.

B. KL will want to preserve her asset in the meantime.

 

Nothing to me suggests a need for a panic.

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Some of you lot's comments about Katharina Liebherr really are disgusting.

 

A. Anyone paying that will be a serious player and we shouldn't fear the worst.

 

I don't know how much Premier League clubs have gone for in recent years but even one of the world's most valuable (Manchester United) has had big problems with its owners. There are plenty of folks around with more money than sense. If we believe one account of what's behind this dispute (that Cortese advised Liebherr against a hasty sale), it's possible that he feared she would entertain offers from unappealing buyers.

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:lol::lol::lol:

 

I'm guessing there's a chance you might be overweight yourself judging by your rant?

 

Whatever. But the thrust of his argument certainly has merit. It takes a particularly childish poster to throw their toys out of the pram and hurl that sort of petty insult towards the daughter of the man who saved our club from oblivion a few years back. I don't recall anybody mentioning not wanting out club to be owned by Markus because he wasn't as sveldt as they would have liked.

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If Cortese resigned three months ago because he disagreed with Katerina's wish to sell the club, Katerina will have had time to consider her short term and long term plans. It is in her interest that Saints do well in the coming weeks to maximise her asset. She may not be a professional football administrator but she has the clout and money to appoint the best available sooner rather than later, providing she is getting the best advice now. That is the nub.

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Whatever. But the thrust of his argument certainly has merit. It takes a particularly childish poster to throw their toys out of the pram and hurl that sort of petty insult towards the daughter of the man who saved our club from oblivion a few years back. I don't recall anybody mentioning not wanting out club to be owned by Markus because he wasn't as sveldt as they would have liked.

 

It's almost as if there's some underlying misogyny to those comments. Fancy that!

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Griffo sorry to disappoint you .

 

You would be totally wrong about me being overweight . The point I was trying to make was that it is not just eating chips and junk food, smoking boosing etc that makes you overweight . There are other reasons not the stereotypical views of the uneducated. My relatives are pretty fit do not smoke and rarely eat junk foood

 

I thought that some posters were being very disrespectful to KL and those folk who due to medical problems and medication end up overweight . Besides the pastor and the hulk fellow come across as serial trolls and wum's

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Spot on elpie

If Cortese resigned three months ago because he disagreed with Katerina's wish to sell the club, Katerina will have had time to consider her short term and long term plans. It is in her interest that Saints do well in the coming weeks to maximise her asset. She may not be a professional football administrator but she has the clout and money to appoint the best available sooner rather than later, providing she is getting the best advice now. That is the nub.

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I don't know how much Premier League clubs have gone for in recent years but even one of the world's most valuable (Manchester United) has had big problems with its owners. There are plenty of folks around with more money than sense. If we believe one account of what's behind this dispute (that Cortese advised Liebherr against a hasty sale), it's possible that he feared she would entertain offers from unappealing buyers.

 

Fulham sold for £150m.

 

Granted there are some megalomaniacs in the game but for every Vincent tan there's a Sensible owner.

 

For me NC was too profile. The best owners and chairmen are like good bass players - they hold the band together but aren't noticed. Think arsenal and Liverpool.

 

In reality we have no idea why NC left. The apparent wish to sell is pure speculation.

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Have not been on here in a month or so due to the usual WUM's and reading this thread I see nothing has changed. I don't know what is worse some of the 'speculation' or the people who believe it.

 

Nobody knows what will happen, nobody knew he had resigned sometime ago and did his time before leaving. If we didn't know that I think it is safe to say we don't know anything that is going on.

The one thing that makes me laugh is the whole "she is selling" thing. This rumour has been going on nearly 4 years now. Feck it was even there before ML sadly passed away. If she has pumped loads of money into the club especially in the summer that does not strike me as someone planning to leave.

 

Whatever happens next will happen. I won't believe a thing anyone says on here because 99.9% of the time it is complete ********.

 

What I will say though is thanks to Cortese for the work he has done in the time he was here. We were a shell of a club playing our youngsters with zero infrastructure. We have gone from having crap players to having some internationals and playing good football. Not to mention all the new facilities he has helped to get made. He was a hard ass to work with but I think you cannot deny his way worked. I really hope whoever comes in now can continue the vision and keep the club going forwards.

 

One thing is for certain, we are about to find out how much of an impact he had behind the scenes. Some of our WUM's argued anyone could do the job. We will see.

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ML himself was no Brad Pitt but no one gave a sh!t, quite rightly. Why would you?

Why criticise KL? WTF has that got to do with whats going on here?

 

Most are thick as **** - you'd think they would be rejoicing tonight at the achievement of their m**g's charter: the demise of the dwarf wop Clotese (:lol:), the likely return of stripes and comedy nights with matt, mike and fran. But simultaneously a m**g can't turn down an opportunity for a cheap laugh at someone's physical failings. All part of their MO.

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Agree with St Marco above.

 

Regardless of where this supposed "meltdown" is taking us, I do know one thing.

 

We are now a far, far more attractive proposition for prospective owners, top executives, managers and playing staff than we were even a year ago.

 

Sure, I'm concerned about the imminent period of instability, but I'm also optimistic that we'll still end up on an exciting upward trajectory in the longer term.

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Fulham sold for £150m.

 

Granted there are some megalomaniacs in the game but for every Vincent tan there's a Sensible owner.

 

For me NC was too profile. The best owners and chairmen are like good bass players - they hold the band together but aren't noticed. Think arsenal and Liverpool.

 

In reality we have no idea why NC left. The apparent wish to sell is pure speculation.

 

 

To be honest, I always thought that NC is/was pretty low profile. It was the press that bigged things up and made him look like some despot. When was the last time you heard from him? Certainly not today (although Neil Ashton's articles might be ascribed to him) and I can't remember when he last made any comment. Maybe it was pre-season explaining the reasons for sacking NA.

 

I can't believe that everyone else at the club want to jump ship before the dust has even settled and they know what KL's plans are. I am sure that she is more than sensible enough to not devalue the club, and if she did, that is her prerogative. I find Ashton's latest piece saying that she has no experience in running a club rather pathetic and one sided, as it seems to ignore the fact that NC didn't either.

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Fantastic post - such a treat to read some positivity after some of the more hysterical outpourings.

 

I think it's good news that we may now have a traditional board back at the club - long overdue.

The last time we had a traditional board was when were entering administration and about to get relegated to L1 on -10 points.

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People need to take the emotion out of this and calm down a touch. The press have blown this out of all proportion, it really is silly season. As well as Nicola has done, the past 40 years we've been a top flight outfit. We were a top flight outfit even in league 1 on -10. We have the infrastructure and fan base of a top flight club. We are a great asset for someone , whether KL or anybody else. If Delia did the same thing at Norwich, if she stood down would the fans be wetting the bed, would the press predict the end of Norwich's dream. If the players and manager only want to play for Nicola,then they can **** off as far as im concerned. Id rather watch fox and guly playing 100% for the club I love, than a bloke sulking cause the chairmans left. If wright or McGoaldrought or Leon best, or bairdy had said they were leaving because old Rupes had been shown the red card, they'd be vilified on here. Put it another way, swap the names Nicola and Mp, with Redknapp and Storrie-tellers. If MP walks next week over this , I'll always consider him a disloyal twt

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People need to take the emotion out of this and calm down a touch. The press have blown this out of all proportion, it really is silly season. As well as Nicola has done, the past 40 years we've been a top flight outfit. We were a top flight outfit even in league 1 on -10. We have the infrastructure and fan base of a top flight club. We are a great asset for someone , whether KL or anybody else. If Delia did the same thing at Norwich, if she stood down would the fans be wetting the bed, would the press predict the end of Norwich's dream. If the players and manager only want to play for Nicola,then they can **** off as far as im concerned. Id rather watch fox and guly playing 100% for the club I love, than a bloke sulking cause the chairmans left. If wright or McGoaldrought or Leon best, or bairdy had said they were leaving because old Rupes had been shown the red card, they'd be vilified on here. Put it another way, swap the names Nicola and Mp, with Redknapp and Storrie-tellers. If MP walks next week over this , I'll always consider him a disloyal twt

 

Kind of agree now

I can see one or two of the players eventually leaving. Probably in the summer

 

Will get lots of money for them

 

If anyone does go, I don't think it will be because of NC. More than likely what they see is the vision of the club from now on

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People need to take the emotion out of this and calm down a touch. The press have blown this out of all proportion, it really is silly season. As well as Nicola has done, the past 40 years we've been a top flight outfit. We were a top flight outfit even in league 1 on -10. We have the infrastructure and fan base of a top flight club. We are a great asset for someone , whether KL or anybody else. If Delia did the same thing at Norwich, if she stood down would the fans be wetting the bed, would the press predict the end of Norwich's dream. If the players and manager only want to play for Nicola,then they can **** off as far as im concerned. Id rather watch fox and guly playing 100% for the club I love, than a bloke sulking cause the chairmans left. If wright or McGoaldrought or Leon best, or bairdy had said they were leaving because old Rupes had been shown the red card, they'd be vilified on here. Put it another way, swap the names Nicola and Mp, with Redknapp and Storrie-tellers. If MP walks next week over this , I'll always consider him a disloyal twt

 

This.

 

Hopefully the hysterics should now stop and we might just find out that somewhere in the world there just might be another human being capable of running Southampton Football Club. Crazy, I know.

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Big question here. Has MP ever met KL? If so, does he get on with her? Surely if he gets a largely non-interfering owner who's splashing a bit of cash for players, why would he leave?

 

Lets see how this unfolds. The good news is players can only leave within the next 2 weeks. And more good news;

 

- Stripes

- MLT at games.

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Morning all.

 

So now in the cold light of day and taking a step back all of this seems so obvious. Heck there must have been a dozen threads which gave the clues.

 

The latest Neil Ashton article shows this was not new, But as others mentioned, MP stopping English Lessons, Keeping the Translator (He is in for a tough day today), SRL being "Off the boil". and for me the most weird was the sudden emergence of The Daily Mail as our Champion these past months.

 

Some VERY interesting games that I guess NONE of our speculation have come close to must have been playing out.

 

Clearly a picture is emerging.

 

For me THE most important one is that KL - SHOWED INTEREST, WANTED TO GET INVOLVED. So far I have not seen the words Takeover, Put the brakes on. So many times we have said the Trist/Family seemed not to care.

 

All the indicators that the PR onslaught have shown so far indicates to me at least that actually, She IS interested in the project.

 

I'm gonna agree with Glasgow here. I think it is a very dangerous couple of days but like losing NA. I'll just read some of todays drivel and keep my powder dry.

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Oh and can I just say.

 

Good Morning to the guys from Allen & Overy who are reading all this stuff and assembling reports on the rest of Social Media.

 

Welcome t o our forum, don't worry, it will take you 2 or 3 years to understand some of the "In-Jokes".

 

Oh and seeing as YOU are being paid to read this and report, then as this costs money to run then the LEAST you can do is to send your Subscription to Granty (See how to subscribe when you sing in) You can ADD your margin and VAT when you charge it back to KL.

 

Oh and the Journos? Sod off and find your own material

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Since football is just like any other business these day I can´t understand why some players should leave? The company I work for - well been here for 20 years and during these years we have changed president more then 7 times and i´m still here. The only thing is that each president has put his vision into the company to kind of make sure that they will be rememberered... So thats why it´s so important that KL appoint a new guy that has a vision and can sell that to the staff/players. If not we are in real trouble but if tthe new guy can show a real good plan and is a good salesman and really want´s to put his trademark into Saints then we might have a bright future after all. The old way of running a club is gone and sadly the money talks these day : /

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Lol, Dubai Phil thinks Magic Circle lawyers are paid to read a football forum.

 

Don't be stupid.

 

They have Interns who do that 8)

 

They'll still charge it our at 2 Grand an hour or more of course even though the labour was free :)

 

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They will have people or bots streaming Social Media. One employee tweet with the wrong message is one thing, but then because they are "Advisors" they will also be preparing reports and advice to KL & her team (unless her team have the resources themselves)

 

This and many other sources Press, FB etc will be feeding back "the feelings of the customer" in case something critical and un-thought of comes up and needs to be added to the "Damage Limitation" or "Crisis Management" programme.)

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Adam Blackmore just on 5Live. Said he spoke to a senior player last night who said the players just want to know what is going on. Obviously disappointed NC has gone, but in a good league position and want the Manager to say he will stay.

 

Would have to think there will be a player mutiny if MP were to leave too.

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Due to my work with large corporates, and the tendency for people in accountable positions to disappear quickly when the wind changes. I've seen a lot of high profile departures (relatively speaking) in my time.

 

Today, sh!t will begin to get real. Those that saw Cortese as a universal constant at the club (I include MLG in this :D) are having to get used to a new reality. Won't take too long for it to sink in.

 

There are differences, obviously. Corporate salaried staff don't command anything like professional footballers, nor are they as in demand. One thing that you see a lot of in the corporate world is former golden boys and girls having their careers set back, largely because they tied their aspirations to the ongoing success of one high level executive. That doesn't apply here either. None of our lads are trying to grease themselves up the corporate pole; if anything, the worst case scenario end up working for another firm.

 

Much will depend on Katharina's intentions and the vision, if any, that she puts to the team.

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So the morning after.

 

Well, having a man who wanted total control, yet dosn't own the club, was always likely to go wrong eventually.

 

The manager & players will probably carry on as normal IF they feel the club is still being competantly run.

 

NC has played a huge role in the club, and for that he should have everybodies thanks

 

KL you have a blank sheet of paper. Get Writing!

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I've really enjoyed the Cortese era and I expect we might be weaker without him. There's a lot of value in a strong leader with a clear vision of what they plan to do. Most people coming into the club, staff and players, have said that it was Cortese's vision that convinced them to come, which shouldn't be under-rated.

 

However, I supported saints when we were mediocre and I supported saints when we were awful, when we were poor and when we were rich. The club isn't about to go out of business and it's currently in better shape than at any time in my saints watching history. Even if the loss of Cortese has a strongly negative effect on personal and on results, it'll be no worse than I've become used to over the years.

 

I think that with Cortese goes the last of Markus' intentions for the club. There's no real evidence that KL will sell, or that she will ruin the club, but there's no evidence as far as I'm aware that she has any history of astute business decisions either. She could be an utter disaster area who is already squandering her inherited fortune, who knows? I don't believe she has any big dreams for the club and I don't think she'll bring in anybody with the determined vision of Cortese, I think she's probably indifferent and has no desire to spend too much of her time or money on us, so I see this as an end to our, perhaps unrealistic, aspirations. Fair enough, Saints aren't really a club big enough to hold down a regular top eight slot and never really have been, so maybe we'll just go back to our place of mid to lower table.

 

I certainly think that it'll now be easier for other clubs to tempt our manager and our stars away, but it's all happened before and it's what most of us grew up with. For me the end of one of the most exciting eras of being a saints fan, now let's see what the next one will bring.

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Maybe there's a silver lining to be had here? Maybe one way of persuading Pochettino and the players that there is life after Cortese is for Katharina to get her chequebook out and make a couple of headline grabbing signings in the next couple of weeks....

 

No chance. That's one of the reasons Cortese walked. She does not understand how Football works. The only "headline grabbing" will be our players being cherry picked for peanuts

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Most are thick as **** - you'd think they would be rejoicing tonight at the achievement of their m**g's charter: the demise of the dwarf wop Clotese (:lol:), the likely return of stripes and comedy nights with matt, mike and fran. But simultaneously a m**g can't turn down an opportunity for a cheap laugh at someone's physical failings. All part of their MO.
I wonder how the people giving out the stick to KL would like the same done to them,if unguarded pictures of them were placed up on here for ridicule. I bet the toys would soon come out of the pram.
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When was the last time we were such a **** hot prospect for any budding CEO? We should be able to attract some very decent talent, rather than most decades when we just end up whoever happens to be along for the ride (granted NC did well but we got lucky there)
as long as they have the same vision and drive
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No chance. That's one of the reasons Cortese walked. She does not understand how Football works. The only "headline grabbing" will be our players being cherry picked for peanuts

The players won't leave for peanuts, they might go but the club still have the upper hand in pricing

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