Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 top half prem, yet a million miles away from man city. remind me how many times roy has called up Shaw? you can bet your life that he will have been a shoe-in had he played for united/city He has Baines and Cole ahead of him, no matter who he played for he'd have to bide his time as an 18 year old to get in front of them. Roy has already spoken highly of Shaw as have other in the FA. Its only a matter of time before he is an England squad and then team regular. Playing for Saints won't stop him from that, Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez have all been called up by Roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 If he didn't play for Saints and you lot read than City were interested in paying £30m for a 18yo full back you'd be saying it's obscene money and he'd be going as it's such a good deal. Because he plays for Saints you consider £30m and insult and there is no way he should go. Perhaps Turkish's views on you lot are correct after all. Except not one person has even indicated that 30M is an insult. The thread is about whether people would like to see Shaw sold for 30M. A lot don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 He has Baines and Cole ahead of him, no matter who he played for he'd have to bide his time as an 18 year old to get in front of them. Roy has already spoken highly of Shaw as have other in the FA. Its only a matter of time before he is an England squad and then team regular. Playing for Saints won't stop him from that, Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez have all been called up by Roy. and gibbs. dont forget gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 He has Baines and Cole ahead of him, no matter who he played for he'd have to bide his time as an 18 year old to get in front of them. Roy has already spoken highly of Shaw as have other in the FA. Its only a matter of time before he is an England squad and then team regular. Playing for Saints won't stop him from that, Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez have all been called up by Roy. He also quite clearly has Kieran Gibbs in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Whatever happens, at least this proves we are no longer pushovers forced to sell our young talent with terms fully dictated by the bigger clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 A big NO for me. Can I remind everyone that the CL TV deal is about to DOUBLE soon. Therefore imo I expect that Transfer fees for "CL standard players" will also DOUBLE. So £30m might only be buy £15m (today's value) of replacement. Also who are the replacements ? Most sides above us are looking for "CL Standard Left Backs" and CANNOT find them. For those suggesting selling how many remember :- Chivers to spurs for 125k (a record) with a poor replacement of Saul for 45k ( 2 goals in 49 league app) or Shearer for £3.3m (a record) with poor replacements of Dixon (575k for 11 games - 2 goals) & Speedie (12 games - 0 goals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 (edited) and gibbs. dont forget gibbs He also quite clearly has Kieran Gibbs in front of him. Luke Shaw will still get an England call-up playing for Southampton. It may or may not come before the World Cup, but I bet it does by the end of the 2014/15 season. Do you really think otherwise if he remains with Saints? Edited 12 January, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Luke Shaw will still get an England call-up playing for Southampton. It may or may not come before the World Cup, but I bet it does by the end of the 2014/15 season. Do you really think otherwise if he remains with Saints? he has 3 left backs in front of him whilst at saints. probably 2 after the world cup one of which play regularly in the champions league and goes for titles/cups. and is only 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Luke Shaw will still get an England call-up playing for Southampton. It may or may not come before the World Cup, but I bet it does by the end of the 2014/15 season. Do you really think otherwise if he remains with Saints? No idea mush. But he's currently behind three players, not only the two you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Agree with MLG, should be no worries about his england career being blocked because of Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 he has 3 left backs in front of him whilst at saints. probably 2 after the world cup one of which play regularly in the champions league and goes for titles/cups. and is only 24 No idea mush. But he's currently behind three players, not only the two you mentioned. Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert in the last England squads and Hodgson's very positive comments about Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Clyne show he doesn't have some kind of illogical vendetta about calling up Southampton players. After Cole's likely international retirement after the World Cup, if Shaw is deemed better than Gibbs he'll play ahead of Gibbs. Playing for Saints won't stop him making the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert in the last England squads and Hodgson's very positive comments about Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Clyne show he doesn't have some kind of illogical vendetta about calling up Southampton players. After Cole's likely international retirement after the World Cup, if Shaw is deemed better than Gibbs he'll play ahead of Gibbs. Playing for Saints won't stop him making the squad. he will probably need to play champions league football to get in ahead of gibbs/baines I should imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Agree with MLG, should be no worries about his england career being blocked because of Saints. Agree. Besides, all talk says Shaw wants to stay for now which makes the notion of selling him even more bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert in the last England squads and Hodgson's very positive comments about Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Clyne show he doesn't have some kind of illogical vendetta about calling up Southampton players. After Cole's likely international retirement after the World Cup, if Shaw is deemed better than Gibbs he'll play ahead of Gibbs. Playing for Saints won't stop him making the squad. Is this not the case now, then? Gibbs picks up sporadic caps here and there, so (I'm just guessing here) perhaps Hodgson sees something in him. Just maybe. The Saints issue is irrelevant, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 So City feel they can just go and chuck another £30m on another player without thinking about the application of the Financial Fair Play rule? Er, probably yes. Looks like Nasri could be out for the rest of the season with a knee injury, so presumably they will want to replace him. By all means let's debate the merits or otherwise of whether we should accept £30m for Shaw, but the real issue is - even allowing for the venal nature of football in general and the Premier League in particular - is that they are allowed to spend that sum of money without impugnity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Hold out for £50m its Man City for Gods sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 With all due respect we are not chelsea, utd or city . They can stock pile players and pay top doller for a player to sit on the bench. Clyne at left back would probably be in the top 4 left backs in the prem if he played there. I recall everyone saying shaw was a long way off when I predicted his debut. If your good enough your old enough and poch will give a chance to the other joeys and insure they will be the next shaw! Personal opinion and that's what IDE do. And IDE bin fox and get another up and coming full back as cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 With all due respect we are not chelsea, utd or city . They can stock pile players and pay top doller for a player to sit on the bench. Clyne at left back would probably be in the top 4 left backs in the prem if he played there. I recall everyone saying shaw was a long way off when I predicted his debut. If your good enough your old enough and poch will give a chance to the other joeys and insure they will be the next shaw! Personal opinion and that's what IDE do. And IDE bin fox and get another up and coming full back as cover He really wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 I think a lot of them would end up dissapointed. Touch of Hazard?! They may be referring to Mickey Hazard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 If they can pay £30m outright without blinking, tell them to stick £20m on that price and we might consider a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 he will probably need to play champions league football to get in ahead of gibbs/baines I should imagine When did Baines play in the Champions League? If Baines hasn't, why would Shaw need to in order to get ahead of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 A few people seem to be saying we should sell him because the money is so good. That only holds water if we needed the money, if he wanted to go and if we could be certain of getting as good or better with the money. We could get that money and end up with a couple of expensive signings who just didn't work out, like that's never happened before. Right now we have an excellent young left back who we know can produce the gods at this level. Taking the money would just be a gamble on the transfer market. I just haven't seen a single convincing argument why we should sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 No We don't need the money We can't buy a better 18 year old (although we have one coming through perhaps?) We only add people to the squad who will improve it - by that logic we also don't sell for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 People always say "one injury and that's it" in these scenarios, but when was the last time a player had a career ending injury at that age? And ask youself - what is harder to come by in football this day and age? A left back who could quite easily be as good as Ashley Cole was in his prime, or £30million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Why sell him if we don't need the money and the lad doesn't want to go (and from things that have been said he doesn't want to go)? An adequate replacement for him would probably cost most of that money anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 if that is the case, why is Ox playing for arsenal? Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonwindmill Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 I'd take £30m. Get a decent replacement for say £10m and have £20m left over to stick in the kitty or strengthen elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 No. The Project is about more than just money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 There are three key issues here... 1. Does Luke want to move? If so, there's nothing we will be able to do to stop a move, so we need to ensure an equally capable young LB is found. 2. You cannot underestimate the importance of the team spirit and ethic that has built over the last 3-4 years. Luke has grown as an important feature of this and to loose him would be a small chink in that armour. 3. Cortese's strategy for the future of the club is to retain our best youth and develop them. Luke is the best of our new batch of youth to make the 1st team since L1 days. To sell him now would be like Cortese ripping up his long-term strategic plan. If there's one reason above all others that tells me this is not going to happen, it's this one - Cortese is not that kind of man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 How do you know that ? We could arguably get 3 players the quality of Wanyama and Lovren for that money. The squad deepening we've so clearly desperately needed for the past 2 months. Hmmm we could get another Ramirez, although he might, just might come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 If they can pay £30m outright without blinking, tell them to stick £20m on that price and we might consider a discussion. 30 mil plus Sinclair and Rodwell with their contracts paid up in full....... Still leaves us with Danny Fox. No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 (edited) Like I said IDE try Clyne at left and chambers at right. He's played there before under both out last two managers. Ide take £25/£30mill in a heart best for shaw IDE use £5mill to buy Marcos Rojo who can also play centre half 100% Yes Easily replaced with enough to spend elsewhere. Clyne is as good at left back I would stick chambers on right Clyne left Zero cost Chambers to good to be on the bench Its proven Clyne can play left back We have great talent coming through in that position so there's the cover. Looking at Nathan's crossing with his right foot yesterday maybe he should use his left lol Edited 12 January, 2014 by Matthew Le Tissier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 It is an awful lot of money but i would say no thanks.....Luke Shaw is a class act who will hopefully only get better.....if MC are really interested its because they know £30 mill would be a brilliant investment for an 18 year old that could give them years of service. And as some have quite rightly pointed out he has great attacking potential which will only get better in the next couple of seasons.....if Gareth Bale is worth £90 mill then Shaw is cheap at £30 mill. No Saints should not accept it unless Shaw really states he wants to go and they would run the risk of losing him cheaply....even then i dont think that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 A few people seem to be saying we should sell him because the money is so good. That only holds water if we needed the money, if he wanted to go and if we could be certain of getting as good or better with the money. We could get that money and end up with a couple of expensive signings who just didn't work out, like that's never happened before. Right now we have an excellent young left back who we know can produce the gods at this level. Taking the money would just be a gamble on the transfer market. I just haven't seen a single convincing argument why we should sell. Sorry but do you there are no limits on what the Liebherr's are prepared to spend? I ssem to recall that NC had to the "I'll quit" to get whathe wanted this summer! Two other things for me: 1) 28.5k yesterday hardly makes us more than a mid-table premier league team at best - let's be honest we are never going to win the Champions league so it is about maximising our academy. 2) We can replace Luke based n the above. I trust NC to drive a deal that suits us and that he will invest the money wisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 What is IDE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Take the cash and get a suitable replacement and another 15m signing in..... Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk You make it sound so simple, but there lies the problem...finding a suitable replacement. We have shown already how easy it is to spend cash only for the player coming in to take time to settle and not overly impress. My fear is we end up with another bridge to Chelsea, le Saux to southampton deal, which IMO was a massive step backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 No way NC will do a bad deal. We will get what we want from it when it happens and with whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 You make it sound so simple, but there lies the problem...finding a suitable replacement. We have shown already how easy it is to spend cash only for the player coming in to take time to settle and not overly impress. My fear is we end up with another bridge to Chelsea, le Saux to southampton deal, which IMO was a massive step backwards. Good comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 he will probably need to play champions league football to get in ahead of gibbs/baines I should imagine Not really. Shaw will need to just be playing better than them. Gibbs can be playing all the cl games he wants but if he isn't playing well he won't be selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 They are creaming themselves on the City forum! "He is probably the best left back in the league right now. So why not buy him ? I think he can also play as a winger. He has the touch of Eden Hazard. He can deliver balls like Kolarov. He closes players down like Fernandinho. We can with more ball-winners in our team." "He is worth £30 million. The guy is absolutley solid in defence. Going forward he is brilliant. You have to remember that he is 18. He can be with us for the next 14 years. £30 million is basically £2 million a season." http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=289241&start=150 Glasgow been on there pretending to be someone else again?! Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Not really. Shaw will need to just be playing better than them. Gibbs can be playing all the cl games he wants but if he isn't playing well he won't be selected. Not quite how it works is it Re - tom cleverly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Not quite how it works is it Re - tom cleverly Gary Neville had Lallana in his Premier League team of the first half of the season. So clearly someone on the England staff is extremely impressed with that particular Saints player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 I'd take £30m. Get a decent replacement for say £10m and have £20m left over to stick in the kitty or strengthen elsewhere. I'm interested to know who this £10m left back is who can dominate our left side as shaw has been doing since he came into the side. I imagine united and City would like to know too. I'm sure there are left backs out there, but no matter who we sign there will be a gamble to it. The only gamble we have with shaw is whether he gets a major injury at some point. We have two or three absolute class acts in our side...Lallana, Morgan, shaw and Lovren. Sell some of these and the lessor acts start to look like the solid but not outstanding players they are at the very top level. If we want to keep going up,the table we can't sell any of our class acts. We must keep them and use the tv money each summer to strengthen squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Gary Neville had Lallana in his Premier League team of the first half of the season. So clearly someone on the England staff is extremely impressed with that particular Saints player. Ok, let's see Lallana start in the next round of games when the other players are all fit I suspect chamberlain will start ahead of Adam. Maybe even sterling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Ok, let's see Lallana start in the next round of games when the other players are all fit I suspect chamberlain will start ahead of Adam. Maybe even sterling Obviously Neville doesn't he final say, but he is going to have an input into the England squad and starting line-up at the World Cup. If Neville was picking the England team I think there is a good chance he'd put Lallana in the starting line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Not quite how it works is it Re - tom cleverly There are lots of players in the England squad that aren't playing cl football. Ruddy, Baines, Lallana, Barkley, lambert, walker, jagielka, Townsend, sturridge, Johnson, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 I'm interested to know who this £10m left back is who can dominate our left side as shaw has been doing since he came into the side. I imagine united and City would like to know too. I'm sure there are left backs out there, but no matter who we sign there will be a gamble to it. The only gamble we have with shaw is whether he gets a major injury at some point. We have two or three absolute class acts in our side...Lallana, Morgan, shaw and Lovren. Sell some of these and the lessor acts start to look like the solid but not outstanding players they are at the very top level. If we want to keep going up,the table we can't sell any of our class acts. We must keep them and use the tv money each summer to strengthen squad. Totally agree. The reality is though that unless we do within a reasonable timeframe start to qualify for Europe the very best will go... Sad but true. The only hope is that we have enough clout, and strong enough pull to keep me here, until they reach their FULL potential, so we are selling at top whack and not at some stupid Bale like discount. That is the difference I hope to see in NC. We can't stop players going, but we can create an environment that see us benefit from them before they go and at a level that realizes their true value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Ok, let's see Lallana start in the next round of games when the other players are all fit I suspect chamberlain will start ahead of Adam. Maybe even sterling Sterling isn't playing cl either by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Sterling isn't playing cl either by the way. Playing for a glory club Look, if man city or Chelsea come calling with £25m+ he is gone I would not blame him either The wages, trophies, better prospects for England, champions league No brainier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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