PS4 or XBOX One

[Colinjb]

Given that you don't know the meaning of the word "marginal", I'd like a steward's enquiry on that "utter" please.

 

I'll leave you the last word should you desire it, you are the kind of person who debates to win, not to gauge opinion and perspective and genuinely gain insight, it's to bring people on-side.... poor show Pap, I expected better. Regardless of intent you have adopted the persona of a hopeless fanboy, you are letting your self confessed disappointment bias your opinion and make you deaf to the fact that your need isn't the same as others.

 

I'll leave this thread to itself and make up my own mind. Just remember, if I do eventually get a PS4 it's in spite of you, not due to your 'help.' Have a nice day.

Edited 20 January, 2014 by Colinjb

[pap]

I'll leave you the last word should you desire it, you are the kind of person who debates to win, not to gauge opinion and perspective and genuinely gain insight, it's to bring people on-side.... poor show Pap, I expected better. Regardless of intent you have adopted the persona of a hopeless fanboy, you are letting your self confessed disappointment bias your opinion.

 

I'll leave this thread to itself and make up my own mind. Just remember, if I do eventually get a PS4 it's in spite of you, not due to your 'help.' Have a nice day.

 

Aw, bless Col.

 

I'm sorry your perception filters have processed this information in this way. There are only so many ways I can say "you're wrong" with justification before it starts to sound rude.

[Colinjb]

Aw, bless Col.

 

I'm sorry your perception filters have processed this information in this way. There are only so many ways I can say "you're wrong" with justification before it starts to sound rude.

 

Last word my arse.

 

You are proving my point, you just want to be right rather then helpful. The PS4 may not meet my needs, you don't care and want me to agree with you regardless. You are the one who's perception is off, not mine.

[pap]

Last word my arse.

 

You are proving my point, you just want to be right rather then helpful. The PS4 may not meet my needs, you don't care and want me to agree with you regardless. You are the one who's perception is off, not mine.

 

It's not a case of agreeing with me. It's simply about recognising that the PS4 is a more performant machine, and when cross-platform games do diverge in graphical fidelity, it comes out on top. This isn't my opinion here; it's based off the various face-offs I've seen between comparable games in the specialist press.

 

As for your accusation that I've added nothing to the debate. So far, we've talked about resolution, performance, price, the commercial implications of the PS4's early lead, the vaunted status of lead SKU and the impact of the Japanese market.

 

If I was just trying to put out the fires of second-hand opinions, my word count would be a lot less.

[CylonKing]

Buy or stick with the PS3, some great games out there now for very small amounts. I got the Mass Effect trilogy and Dead Space 3 for £22 on PSN. Dead space 2 set me back £5 from Cex 2nd hand. The PS3 is where it's at currently. A much better machine that has all the entertainment applications and gubbins you can shake a stick at! ;-)

[hypochondriac]

Buy or stick with the PS3, some great games out there now for very small amounts. I got the Mass Effect trilogy and Dead Space 3 for £22 on PSN. Dead space 2 set me back £5 from Cex 2nd hand. The PS3 is where it's at currently. A much better machine that has all the entertainment applications and gubbins you can shake a stick at! ;-)

 

Hmm. On my gaming pc I got all of them for about a fiver.

[pap]

Hmm. On my gaming pc I got all of them for about a fiver.

 

Console tax is always worth factoring in, I reckon.

[Colinjb]

It's not a case of agreeing with me. It's simply about recognising that the PS4 is a more performant machine, and when cross-platform games do diverge in graphical fidelity, it comes out on top. This isn't my opinion here; it's based off the various face-offs I've seen between comparable games in the specialist press.

 

As for your accusation that I've added nothing to the debate. So far, we've talked about resolution, performance, price, the commercial implications of the PS4's early lead, the vaunted status of lead SKU and the impact of the Japanese market.

 

If I was just trying to put out the fires of second-hand opinions, my word count would be a lot less.

 

You once again have missed the point entirely, regardless of performance I tried them, enjoyed them both equally and now need to weigh up a decision based on other matters of which performance isn't primary.

 

I also havn't said you offered nothing, you are however driven to recommend the PS4 ahead of the fact it is not offering features that I would ideally want from a new console.... you keep ignoring that and are being a little cheeky to me on the basis that I am not agreeing with you (Muggle for instance... yes i've given back too, only fair )

 

The bare 'facts' are just majority opinion based on the gaming market, it is an overall impression of said gamer's subjective judgement (It's worth noting that many DO prefer the Xbox One, a lower percentage doesn't mean a small number of people, millions of people have bought these things!) I do not fit into that market though, I am not a hardcore gamer. Taking the crude car comparison you made earlier, no point buying a performance driven sports car (PS4?) when a hot-hatch (Xbox One?) is seemingly better for what I want to do with it!

 

As for the McLaren F1/Passat thing you used to try and make me look like an idiot, I actually have a Passat company car, it's f**king brilliant! If I had a McLaren F1 I would be broken.... firstly fiscally and secondly with a shattered spine! It wouldn't be fit for purpose you cheeky f**k.

Edited 20 January, 2014 by Colinjb

[pap]

You once again have missed the point entirely, regardless of performance I tried them, enjoyed them both equally and now need to weigh up a decision based on other matters of which performance isn't primary.

 

I also havn't said you offered nothing, you are however driven to recommend the PS4 ahead of the fact it is not offering features that I would ideally want from a new console.... you keep ignoring that and are being a little cheeky to me on the basis that I am not agreeing with you (Muggle for instance... yes i've given back too, only fair )

 

The bare 'facts' are just majority opinion based on the gaming market, it is an overall impression of said gamer's subjective judgement (It's worth noting that many DO prefer the Xbox One, a lower percentage doesn't mean a small number of people, millions of people have bought these things!) I do not fit into that market though, I am not a hardcore gamer. Taking the crude car comparison you made earlier, no point buying a performance driven sports car (PS4?) when a hot-hatch (Xbox One?) is seemingly better for what I want to do with it!

 

As for the McLaren F1/Passat thing you used to try and make me look like an idiot, I actually have a Passat company car, it's f**king brilliant! If I had a McLaren F1 I would be broken.... firstly fiscally and secondly with a shattered spine! It wouldn't be fit for purpose you cheeky f**k.

 

No-one's really making themselves look like idiots except the people who are pretending black is white.

 

As a prospective XBox One owner, how do you feel about the TV-in being broken in the UK ( or with a workaround, requiring the user to muck about with settings every time you switch between game and TV )?

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-25-xbox-one-tv-integration-suffers-noticeable-judder-in-uk

[Colinjb]

No-one's really making themselves look like idiots except the people who are pretending black is white.

 

As a prospective XBox One owner, how do you feel about the TV-in being broken in the UK ( or with a workaround, requiring the user to muck about with settings every time you switch between game and TV )?

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-25-xbox-one-tv-integration-suffers-noticeable-judder-in-uk

 

As someone who hasn't yet made a decision over which console to buy I would say that's a shame but hopefully it's something that they will get right soon, after all iPlayer and SkyGo support isn't available out of the box either but I do have my existing 360's for these purposes in the mean time. It would be interesting to see if there has been any update seeing as that article was written in November.

 

It's still astonishing that you continue to ignore just how blinkered you are! Let me say this again, very explicitly:

 

Just because it is right for you doesn't mean it is right for me.

 

You want something that's the most powerful system to play games on. I want something more versatile then simply a games machine and I have my doubts whether the PS4 would be able to deliver that or compensate for it should the media features I desire not come around.

 

Please respect our rights to want different things, being a pr*ck about me not having the same priorities isn't going to change that. There is only one person who looks foolish here but he seems to be so utterly full of himself that he cannot see it.

Edited 20 January, 2014 by Colinjb

[pap]

As someone who hasn't yet made a decision over which console to buy I would say that's a shame but hopefully it's something that they will get right soon, after all iPlayer and SkyGo support isn't available out of the box either but I do have my existing 360's for these purposes in the mean time. It would be interesting to see if there has been any update seeing as that article was written in November.

 

It's still astonishing that you continue to ignore just how blinkered you are! Let me say this again, very explicitly:

 

Just because it is right for you doesn't mean it is right for me.

 

You want something that's the most powerful system to play games on. I want something more versatile then simply a games machine and I have my doubts whether the PS4 would be able to deliver that or compensate for it should the media features I desire not come around.

 

Please respect our rights to want different things. There is only one person who looks foolish here but he seems to be so utterly full of himself that he cannot see it.

 

One of the big draws of the One is TV integration, correct?

 

So how do you propose they solve the basic difference between 50Hz and 60Hz?

 

Why are my posts about the technical capabilities of the machines? Why are your posts all about your specific wants? Which do you think more useful for a prospective purchaser?

[Colinjb]

One of the big draws of the One is TV integration, correct?

 

So how do you propose they solve the basic difference between 50Hz and 60Hz?

 

Why are my posts about the technical capabilities of the machines? Why are your posts all about your specific wants? Which do you think more useful for a prospective purchaser?

 

My posts are about my requirements as it is my money I'll be spending. So of course I want to make sure that whatever I buy will be best for me. As for the 50/60hz thing its a good question, not one I'm qualified to answer though as I didn't design the thing.

 

You provide a counterpoint based on your impressions. Great. Nothing you have said has convinced me I would have a better time of it with a PS4, it's trump card is power. ... it didn't blow me away over and above the xbox One. What media integration is there in the PS4's armoury? What can it do in that respect above the Xbox One?

[Smirking_Saint]

Pap, just drop it, your coming across as a bit of a tool

[pap]

My posts are about my requirements as it is my money I'll be spending. So of course I want to make sure that whatever I buy will be best for me. As for the 50/60hz thing its a good question, not one I'm qualified to answer though as I didn't design the thing.

 

You provide a counterpoint based on your impressions. Great. Nothing you have said has convinced me I would have a better time of it with a PS4, it's trump card is power. ... it didn't blow me away over and above the xbox One. What media integration is there in the PS4's armoury? What can it do in that respect above the Xbox One?

 

They probably chose not to touch it because of the inherent problems in resolving 60Hz and 50Hz signals.

 

Makes me laugh that all the XBoners are on here telling you how great it is. No-one's mentioned the screen judder, have they? The one thing that sets it apart doesn't work in the UK

[pap]

Pap, just drop it, your coming across as a bit of a tool

 

Not everyone is on a vote-winnin' popularity drive, kidda. Also, the only time I do what someone tells me to is when they're paying me or I want to do it anyway.

 

I'll forward you my hourly rates if you're interested

[sussexsaint]

At the risk of repeating myself and although this is fun, what can you download for PS4 on PS+ at th emoment

[pap]

At the risk of repeating myself and although this is fun, what can you download for PS4 on PS+ at th emoment

 

This month's PS4 giveaway is Don't Starve, ported from the PC.

 

I wouldn't expect to see too much free stuff on PS4 in the early days, simply because there aren't many titles to give away. I think Resogun is still free too.

 

If you've got other Sony hardware, January is a bit of a bumper month. Full deets below:-

 

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/12/13/playstation-plus-in-january-dmc-soul-sacrifice-borderlands-2-more/

[Nolan]

They probably chose not to touch it because of the inherent problems in resolving 60Hz and 50Hz signals.

 

Makes me laugh that all the XBoners are on here telling you how great it is. No-one's mentioned the screen judder, have they? The one thing that sets it apart doesn't work in the UK

 

I've had the TV (Virgin Media V+ box) connected to my One's HDMI in since launch. The problem is so minimal my wife and children haven't even noticed it. I only notice it on the scrolling of the Sky News scrolling bar. To say the issue is minor would be an severe over-statement.

[pap]

I've had the TV (Virgin Media V+ box) connected to my One's HDMI in since launch. The problem is so minimal my wife and children haven't even noticed it. I only notice it on the scrolling of the Sky News scrolling bar. To say the issue is minor would be an severe over-statement.

 

They say that sports events and tickers are worst affected.

 

This bloke gives a good 2 minute overview.

 

 

Some choice quips on the comments thread of the original EG article I posted:-

 

XBoxUSA

XBox One (country)

 

Seriously, why should a UK gamer pay money justified by functionality that doesn't work properly?

 

The best solution will involve an OS update that performs the switch automatically, but I'd imagine the screen would blink as it switches over to the new signal.

 

Microsoft have yet to comment.

Edited 20 January, 2014 by pap

[saintmatt]

Snes or master system, pap?

[pap]

Snes or master system, pap?

 

NES and Master System.

SNES and Megadrive.

 

Seriously; this is the first time I haven't got them all.

[Nolan]

They say that sports events and tickers are worst affected.

 

This bloke gives a good 2 minute overview.

 

 

Some choice quips on the comments thread of the original EG article I posted:-

 

XBoxUSA

XBox One (country)

 

Seriously, why should a UK gamer pay money justified by functionality that doesn't work properly?

 

The best solution will involve an OS update that performs the switch automatically, but I'd imagine the screen would blink as it switches over to the new signal.

 

Microsoft have yet to comment.[/QUOte]

 

It'll get my wife and kids to watch that, maybe that'll get them to notice the non issue.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not everyone is on a vote-winnin' popularity drive, kidda. Also, the only time I do what someone tells me to is when they're paying me or I want to do it anyway.

 

I'll forward you my hourly rates if you're interested

 

We could compare..... But Im not really interested in a wallet shaking contest.

 

Popularity contest or not, it is getting to the stage where you dont debate pap and just bang on ad infinitum. It gets a little tedious.

[Bucks Saint]

They say that sports events and tickers are worst affected.

 

This bloke gives a good 2 minute overview.

 

 

Some choice quips on the comments thread of the original EG article I posted:-

 

XBoxUSA

XBox One (country)

 

Seriously, why should a UK gamer pay money justified by functionality that doesn't work properly?

 

The best solution will involve an OS update that performs the switch automatically, but I'd imagine the screen would blink as it switches over to the new signal.

 

Microsoft have yet to comment.

 

Are you ignoring Nolan's view, based on recent, real world usage in the UK because it disagrees with your insistence of Xbox problems?

[pap]

We could compare..... But Im not really interested in a wallet shaking contest.

 

Popularity contest or not, it is getting to the stage where you dont debate pap and just bang on ad infinitum. It gets a little tedious.

 

I wasn't really interested in a wallet shaking contest either, especially not in January. I just don't take commands particularly seriously unless properly motivated.

 

While "stuff I want to post" sometimes intersects with "stuff that doesn't bore Smirking", it's probably not going to be the case here. Foaming fanboys irk me when they talk b*llocks, especially when people are asking for decent advice. Should their buyer remorse really be the platform for more pain?

[pap]

Are you ignoring Nolan's view, based on recent, real world usage in the UK because it disagrees with your insistence of Xbox problems?

 

No, I'm actually trying to get an example on YouTube.

 

Picture tells a thousand words and all that.

[Smirking_Saint]

I wasn't really interested in a wallet shaking contest either, especially not in January. I just don't take commands particularly seriously unless properly motivated.

 

While "stuff I want to post" sometimes intersects with "stuff that doesn't bore Smirking", it's probably not going to be the case here. Foaming fanboys irk me when they talk b*llocks, especially when people are asking for decent advice. Should their buyer remorse really be the platform for more pain?

 

Its not really boring me papster, and not really having a go. I have no didlike towards yourself, other than sometimes you take debate a bit too personally and seemingly morph into obe of those posters that choose to post more and more crap in order to win an arguement conveniently ignoring key points.

 

I personally think the PS4 is better, some dont, get over it

 

You've turned into a foaming fanboy my love

[Nolan]

The following is quite a good video of what to expect tv wise in Europe with the xbox one

 

[pap]

Its not really boring me papster, and not really having a go. I have no didlike towards yourself, other than sometimes you take debate a bit too personally and seemingly morph into obe of those posters that choose to post more and more crap in order to win an arguement conveniently ignoring key points.

 

I personally think the PS4 is better, some dont, get over it

 

You've turned into a foaming fanboy my love

 

Hardly, Smirkers. I'm doing what a woman does when she knows she's right; staying the f**k on point.

 

The valiant defenders of the XBox One are doing what women do when they know they're wrong; flailing in all directions with the most dubious of arguments. Nolan has put the ocular capacity of his family on the line!

 

"My wife and kids can't see the difference!"

 

Col's ploughing a different rut with a solid assertion that the difference between 900K pixels and 2 million is "marginal".

 

Sorry, mate - but I don't point out the fact they're talking bunk, someone else might, and it might not be as personally amusing for me.

[Bucks Saint]

Hardly, Smirkers. I'm doing what a woman does when she knows she's right; staying the f**k on point.

 

The valiant defenders of the XBox One are doing what women do when they know they're wrong; flailing in all directions with the most dubious of arguments. Nolan has put the ocular capacity of his family on the line!

 

"My wife and kids can't see the difference!"

 

Col's ploughing a different rut with a solid assertion that the difference between 900K pixels and 2 million is "marginal".

 

Sorry, mate - but I don't point out the fact they're talking bunk, someone else might, and it might not be as personally amusing for me.

 

Yeah but Col's view is shared by others, though not all of course, hence i pointed you in the direction of a few links. You waived these away as vague ramblings as they dont agree with your "pixels are everything" point. Interesting to see today that you wanted to say how the PS4 controller was the dogs, so posted a few links of your own in support. Presumably these links you trust? Lol that when i actually read one, it said there was nothing between them! The reality is there are many many differing views out there, if only you could accept that

[pap]

Yeah but Col's view is shared by others, though not all of course, hence i pointed you in the direction of a few links. You waived these away as vague ramblings as they dont agree with your "pixels are everything" point. Interesting to see today that you wanted to say how the PS4 controller was the dogs, so posted a few links of your own in support. Presumably these links you trust? Lol that when i actually read one, it said there was nothing between them! The reality is there are many many differing views out there, if only you could accept that

 

Sir Bucks of Saint arrives.

 

Fanfare

 

Col's view is shared by anyone with an out-of-date lens prescription or alternatively, you own a single television which is merely HD ready (or worse). If you're in either of those two camps, you're golden. I actually need a new prescription, so an XBox One might be a good short-term buy.

 

I certainly don't think pixels are everything, but they're a huge component in the overall fidelity of an image. Really it comes down to horsepower, and how much of it is available to service the games that are running. TechRadar does a reasonably balanced comparison on all aspects of the console.

 

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-vs-xbox-720-which-is-better-1127315

 

I never knew that you had to have a Gold subscription to buy apps on the XBox One until I read that article. Tsk, Microsoft

[Bucks Saint]

The reality is there are many many differing views out there, if only you could accept that

 

I will take that as a no then.

[Colinjb]

You didn't answer my question about the ps4's media capability Pap. Aside from the gaming experience what does it have?

Surely if it offered tv functionality similar to the Xbox One it could also suffer from the frequency issues as it was also made around NTSC standards, no? (Thanks to Nolan for offering first hand experience...)

 

Also, the game which is mainly used to directly compare the two consoles (COD Ghosts) suffered frame rate issues on the ps4 didn't it?

 

In summary, neither machine is perfect. Choosing either could represent a compromise depending on your personal requirements, at least right now.

Edited 20 January, 2014 by Colinjb

[Latheal]

Got an Xbox One and love it. Had problems with LoveFilm and initial start up but overall well happy with it's the screen judder on the footy is so minimal I don't even notice it all anymore ( to be fair, when you first see it, it was a bit jarring for me). I'd actually forgotten about it until reading this thread.

 

Haven't seen a PS4 so can't really comment. However, there is so little games out there for either it's hard to justify either yet. Kinect works well, and when the one guide comes out I think it will really take off. Really depends what you want - Microsoft acting as a media hub in your living room or a sony games machine.

 

The fact that I can stream from your PC to the Xbox One is more important to me than any feature on PS4. You can do this via your Tablet or phone with the right software as well.

[pap]

You didn't answer my question about the ps4's media capability Pap. Aside from the gaming experience what does it have?

Surely if it offered tv functionality similar to the Xbox One it could also suffer from the frequency issues as it was also made around NTSC standards, no? (Thanks to Nolan for offering first hand experience...)

 

Also, the game which is mainly used to directly compare the two consoles (COD Ghosts) suffered frame rate issues on the ps4 didn't it?

 

In summary, neither machine is perfect. Choosing either could represent a compromise depending on your personal requirements, at least right now.

 

At the moment, the PS4 has got NetFlix, LoveFilm, iPlayer, 5 on Demand and a few other TV services. I watch Netflix on it; the US DNS hack works fine.

 

NTSC is a broadcast standard that runs at 60Hz. The PS4 runs at 60Hz, like the XBox, but doesn't have the burden of having to piggy-back a 50Hz PAL broadcast signal - so it's just 60Hz all the way with no broadcast standard to accommodate. Microsoft are trying to solve a problem that doesn't need solving. TV integration in the UK boils down to this. You pay £430 for a machine that you'll need to keep powered on 24/7 to watch inferior TV.

 

We're using a series of games to gauge performance. COD is one of them. Funnily enough, the frame-rate issues are down to the PS4 chucking out too many frames ( like your XBox One TV mode ), creating a judder effect. It's explained in full here:-

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-whats-fixed-and-whats-not-in-the-cod-ghosts-ps4-patch

 

[pap]

Some sales news:-

 

http://gamesided.com/2014/01/20/hardware-sales-update-playstation-4-leads-way/

http://www.vgchartz.com/

 

XBox One selling "marginally" more ( 75,559 ) units than the PS4 ( 74,404 ) in the US.

 

Getting f**king mullered in Europe tho'. Three PS4s were sold for every XBox One.

[Bucks Saint]

As I said before, the Sun is the best selling paper in the UK by some margin and has been for years. I will leave others to decide if sales numbers prove quality

[pap]

As I said before, the Sun is the best selling paper in the UK by some margin and has been for years. I will leave others to decide if sales numbers prove quality

 

Can you play video games on The Sun?

 

It's not really germane to this argument. A better comparison might be the C64 vs the BBC Micro - contemporaries at the time but with a huge difference in installed base.

 

Did the BBC Micro get games? Sure. It was the original home of Elite. Did it get everything the C64 did? No. Like the XBox One, there were a couple of games you couldn't get on C64 (Stryker's Run & Exile spring to mind) but that was never enough to offset the chasm in the volume of available software.

 

Your "The Sun sells" argument is even weaker when you realise that The Sun is an end in itself. Games consoles are a means to an end; the content you consume constitutes the ends.

 

The same "ends" on PS4 work better than they do on XBox One.

[Bucks Saint]

Can you play video games on The Sun?

 

It's not really germane to this argument. A better comparison might be the C64 vs the BBC Micro - contemporaries at the time but with a huge difference in installed base.

 

Did the BBC Micro get games? Sure. It was the original home of Elite. Did it get everything the C64 did? No. Like the XBox One, there were a couple of games you couldn't get on C64 (Stryker's Run & Exile spring to mind) but that was never enough to offset the chasm in the volume of available software.

 

Your "The Sun sells" argument is even weaker when you realise that The Sun is an end in itself. Games consoles are a means to an end; the content you consume constitutes the ends.

 

The same "ends" on PS4 work better than they do on XBox One.

 

Sorry if it was too delicate a point for you.

[pap]

Ah, the desperation of a major corporation in crisis.

 

Microsoft have been paying users to post YouTube vids speaking positively about the XBox One, and crucially, keep schtum about being paid by Microsoft.

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-21-microsoft-paid-youtubers-to-say-nice-things-about-xbox-one-report

 

MS have got form for this sort of obsfucation. When the PS4 was leathering it on sales, their marketing dept was coming out with b*llocks like "200 million miles driven in Forza. 30 million zombies killed in Dead Rising". Sony simply listed their sales figures.

 

They are rightly attracting a lot of criticism for this. Why do they need to pay people to say nice things about the XBox? The defenders on here have every right to be p!ssed off. What you've been doing for free, others are being paid for

 

For anyone undecided, I think this tells you all you need to know.

[Nolan]

 

Getting f**king mullered in Europe tho'. Three PS4s were sold for every XBox One.

 

Not really surprising as the XBox One has only launched in 6 countries in Europe while the PS4 has launched everywhere in Europe.

[pap]

Not really surprising as the XBox One has only launched in 6 countries in Europe while the PS4 has launched everywhere in Europe.

 

1.2 million difference in worldwide sales at the end of 2013.

 

What do you think the gap will be by month's end?

[Nolan]

1.2 million difference in worldwide sales at the end of 2013.

 

What do you think the gap will be by month's end?

 

 

 

 

13 launch countries for the Xbox one compared to worldwide for the ps4. Of course Sonys lead will increase.

[pap]

13 launch countries for the Xbox one compared to worldwide for the ps4. Of course Sonys lead will increase.

 

What are your views on Microsoft paying people to be YouTube shills?

 

Does that make you feel more confident or less confident of the One as a machine?

[Nolan]

What are your views on Microsoft paying people to be YouTube shills?

 

Does that make you feel more confident or less confident of the One as a machine?

 

To be honest, I'm very confused as to why Microsoft have been singled out when Machinima are currently offering the same deal for 9 other companies currently. Especially when it's Machinimas terms that are being complained about, terms that Machinima use every occasion and are nothing to do with Microsoft. It's almost as if Sony fanboys want to find something to Nit Pick about. You'd think they'd be comfortable with their own preference on console but it seems they are really lacking in confidence in their choice and have to attack attack attack.

 

I

[pap]

To be honest, I'm very confused as to why Microsoft have been singled out when Machinima are currently offering the same deal for 9 other companies currently. Especially when it's Machinimas terms that are being complained about, terms that Machinima use every occasion and are nothing to do with Microsoft. It's almost as if Sony fanboys want to find something to Nit Pick about. You'd think they'd be comfortable with their own preference on console but it seems they are really lacking in confidence in their choice and have to attack attack attack.

 

I

 

So Eurogamer work for Sony?

 

Didn't seem that way when Sony were in the midst of all their problems.

[Nolan]

So Eurogamer work for Sony?

 

Didn't seem that way when Sony were in the midst of all their problems.

 

Of course not. Eurogamers, as with any website are an entitiy where their income solely come from advertising generated by hits on their website. They post articles that are bound to be inflammatory to generate revenue. Thats the nature of for profit internets, I'm afraid.

 

but lets not pretend this is anymore than a storm in a thimble. as Microsoft clearly stated, they were unaware of Machinimas T's & C's. and the T & C's were are contract between Machinima and their users. Nothing to do with Micosoft.

[pap]

Of course not. Eurogamers, as with any website are an entitiy where their income solely come from advertising generated by hits on their website. They post articles that are bound to be inflammatory to generate revenue. Thats the nature of for profit internets, I'm afraid.

 

but lets not pretend this is anymore than a storm in a thimble. as Microsoft clearly stated, they were unaware of achinimas T's & C's. and the T & C's were are contract between Machinima and their users. Nothing to do with Micosoft.

 

MS retained Machinima for this purpose, so it's on them.

 

Are you honestly saying no-one at MS bothered checking the terms of the deal?

 

They're either negligent or complicit. I do agree though; Machinima look very bad too.

[Nolan]

MS retained Machinima for this purpose, so it's on them.

 

Are you honestly saying no-one at MS bothered checking the terms of the deal?

 

They're either negligent or complicit. I do agree though; Machinima look very bad too.

 

for the total sum of $5000, its probably negligence, its certainly an insignificant amount of Money. But its certainly nothing compared to the grand scheme of the 2 billion view click fraud Universal and Sony were complicit in on Youtube.

[Colinjb]

Interesting stuff:

 

http://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/3805/exclusive-video-teardown-microsoft-xbox-one/?cid=fb3