Pastor Patrón Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Yoshida and Fox have done as I'd expect them too. Worse than the first teamers by some distance but not absolute liabilities unless they're all playing together and with a poor keeper. Only Hooiveld has been a complete mess and we've all seen him play better. He did 3 or 4 months of playing last season without belting it in his own goal. You're never going to have a whole squad playing their best at the same time I'm afraid. I'd rather Hooiveld wasn't 4th choice CB as he's completely lost it, but when he's at his best, he'd probably be alright as 4th choice. I think we need to get more out of Osvaldo, JWP and Lambert right now, and the same amount out of the returning players like Boruc and Wanyama as they were giving before. But we could of course, get mixed amounts out of everyone, have quite a few losses and another injury crisis and still come 9th. Schneiderlin and Shaw could both do better too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Yoshida and Fox have done as I'd expect them too. Worse than the first teamers by some distance but not absolute liabilities unless they're all playing together and with a poor keeper. Only Hooiveld has been a complete mess and we've all seen him play better. He did 3 or 4 months of playing last season without belting it in his own goal. You're never going to have a whole squad playing their best at the same time I'm afraid. I'd rather Hooiveld wasn't 4th choice CB as he's completely lost it, but when he's at his best, he'd probably be alright as 4th choice. I think we need to get more out of Osvaldo, JWP and Lambert right now, and the same amount out of the returning players like Boruc and Wanyama as they were giving before. But we could of course, get mixed amounts out of everyone, have quite a few losses and another injury crisis and still come 9th. Sensible post. So many expect such foresight that the manager should be able to predict when Yoshida is going to slip in a game. every fan wants the squad stregthen but is about timing and not panicking when some player who if we were injury free would not be playing. Rarely get value in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 HOw else do you progress if you dont improve th squad with better players then? Yeah what does Wenger know? Buy and buy big, get rid of Ramsay and Giroud. Gnabry - never heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Yeah what does Wenger know? Buy and buy big, get rid of Ramsay and Giroud. Gnabry - never heard of him. True, good example. Ozil, Cazorla, Padolski, Giroud, Gerveniho, Arteta, Oxlainde-Chamberlain and Per Mertesacker most definitely didn't sign for them in the last 3 seasons for large to massive fees. He trousered the money and tried getting more out Henry Lansbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 We have one good but injured goalie and two terrible fit ones. That's where we need to improve most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Whilst I have some sympathy for players coming in from the cold and having to contribute straight away, some of the performances from our backups haven't been very good. With Hooiveld and Yoshida I am sure they could do a job in this league but not for a team who plays the way we do. Maybe if they played for a team that sat deep and had another bank of four in front of them defending they'd do ok (as do a number of other CB's in this league who don't look very good) but given the level we aspire to play at and the way we are set-up they don't appear to be up to the job. I am sure over time they will be replaced but it isn't very easy selling players you don't want and replacing them with better players straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Our scouting network is bigger and better than most clubs is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Fair point, we've done that well. Now we need to get more out of our squad players like hooliveld, Fox, Gazza, Yoshida. How's that going? Don't disagree - unlike the many others, they've hit a ceiling and ready for the glue factory (though more can be squeezed out of Yohsida IMO). They'll have to be replaced, though happy to wait till the summer to do our biz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Don't disagree - unlike the many others, they've hit a ceiling and ready for the glue factory (though more can be squeezed out of Yohsida IMO). They'll have to be replaced, though happy to wait till the summer to do our biz. So when i said that we need to invest in the squad to progress and you gave your usual sneering response you actually agreed with me. Glad we cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 So when i said that we need to invest in the squad to progress and you gave your usual sneering response you actually agreed with me. Glad we cleared that up. Not an either/or ffs. Transfers matter but the idea that they and they only allow a club to progress is horse****. Kind of logic that explains why some were clamoring last season for a new signing to upgrade on Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Must be. Most clubs aren't in the top flight of their country. I'm sure every premier league club's scouting network is bigger than 'most clubs'! So if you include the lower league clubs, Tyro league and pub teams you can prove our setup is bigger than most clubs. Well done. Meanwhile the actual point was about clubs we are in competition with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Love this thread full of the usual few tools posting the standard agenda driven garbage poorly dressed up as credible opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Love this thread full of the usual few tools posting the standard agenda driven garbage poorly dressed up as credible opinion... I presume you are referring to me, which is interesting because as a usual tool posting agenda driven garbage I seem to get an awful lot of things right. I remember being shouted down on here well over a year ago for saying that all was not well between Adkins and Cortese and that he was a dead man walking, this was trolling and agenda driven garbage according to some. The same thing was said when i mentioned that Adkins wasn't in control of transfers and had little idea who was coming in and who was going out, again the agenda driven garbage i was told it was was turned out to be correct. Apparently i had an agenda when i dared to say in the run up before Osvaldo signed that it was ironic that when alot of Saints fans were celebrating "Saints legend" Lambert scoring for England whilst at the same time practically begging the man who would replace him in the first team to sign. This was trolling too, they were going to be playing together and if anyone was going to be dropped it'd be Rodriguez again how has that one turned out? It's funny how someone who is meant to be a troll and spouts agenda driven garbage poorly dressed up as an opinion is right so often isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 this would be the same lambert who's played in every prem game this season yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 this would be the same lambert who's played in every prem game this season yeah? Osvaldo has been picked ahead of Lambert for all the big games when fit has he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 dunno, it's happened a few times i spose but then they've started together a fair bit too. Liverpool away for example if i remember correct. Jury is still out on this one i reckon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 I presume you are referring to me, which is interesting because as a usual tool posting agenda driven garbage I seem to get an awful lot of things right. I remember being shouted down on here well over a year ago for saying that all was not well between Adkins and Cortese and that he was a dead man walking, this was trolling and agenda driven garbage according to some. The same thing was said when i mentioned that Adkins wasn't in control of transfers and had little idea who was coming in and who was going out, again the agenda driven garbage i was told it was was turned out to be correct. Apparently i had an agenda when i dared to say in the run up before Osvaldo signed that it was ironic that when alot of Saints fans were celebrating "Saints legend" Lambert scoring for England whilst at the same time practically begging the man who would replace him in the first team to sign. This was trolling too, they were going to be playing together and if anyone was going to be dropped it'd be Rodriguez again how has that one turned out? It's funny how someone who is meant to be a troll and spouts agenda driven garbage poorly dressed up as an opinion is right so often isn't it. Brilliant that you immediately identified yourself as a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Brilliant that you immediately identified yourself as a tool Because AlwaysSFC said the other day i talk a lot of sh*t, again for someone that does i seem to get a lot right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 I presume you are referring to me, which is interesting because as a usual tool posting agenda driven garbage I seem to get an awful lot of things right. I remember being shouted down on here well over a year ago for saying that all was not well between Adkins and Cortese and that he was a dead man walking, this was trolling and agenda driven garbage according to some. The same thing was said when i mentioned that Adkins wasn't in control of transfers and had little idea who was coming in and who was going out, again the agenda driven garbage i was told it was was turned out to be correct. Apparently i had an agenda when i dared to say in the run up before Osvaldo signed that it was ironic that when alot of Saints fans were celebrating "Saints legend" Lambert scoring for England whilst at the same time practically begging the man who would replace him in the first team to sign. This was trolling too, they were going to be playing together and if anyone was going to be dropped it'd be Rodriguez again how has that one turned out? It's funny how someone who is meant to be a troll and spouts agenda driven garbage poorly dressed up as an opinion is right so often isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 If this is true, it has got to rate as one of the most f**kwitted decisions to come out of SMS for a loooong time, possibly since the Lowe days. According to the media, several clubs are interested in several of our players, and Manyoo have a 200m warchest. If we arent even looking at players we could get caught out, losing key squad members due to irresistible offers, with hours of the window to go and not being able to do anything about it. I also think it is bluffing, however, but lets see. Not a lot appears to be happening at the moment. Maybe the club, fingers burnt over Gash and Osvaldo, are getting better at keeping their transactions private. To those who feel all warm and cosy in 9th place (despite having been 3rd and playing for top spot) - and see that as sufficient progress after 35m spent last summer - consider whether Katharina Liebherr will be willing to stump up again next summer after such a small return on her investment. As much as I agree its a poor decision not to buy a backup keeper at the very least I do find this post as one of your more over the top responses. As of the moment I cant figure out if you are trying to personify corperal jones or are indeed just WUMing again. Firstly the way we are playing, sitting in 9th place in the second year in the prem (should probably be higher if not for injuries) how that isnt an improvement on our league 1 position only in our recent history I dont know. Then it is the crazy suggestion that we should sign someone on the off chance that we may lose key players to big bids. Well, that is just absolute madness, if we have the cash to do that then surely (and I expect this to happen) we will be saying nobody is leaving this window ? I must admit Alps what a stonker of a flappingly hysterical post this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 dunno, it's happened a few times i spose but then they've started together a fair bit too. Liverpool away for example if i remember correct. Jury is still out on this one i reckon! they've started together 6 times and scored a goal each. Hardly a stunning return. In the big games when both have been fit and we've used one striker Osvaldo has started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 NO mate, i'm just pointing out that depsite consistantly being called a troll and talking bo*ocks i'm right an awful lot. THe reason for this is i do my research, speak to people more ITK than i am and also understand the game ratherly than blindly dismissing everything i dont want to hear as bo*locks and everything i do want to hear to be the gospel truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 As much as I agree its a poor decision not to buy a backup keeper at the very least I do find this post as one of your more over the top responses. As of the moment I cant figure out if you are trying to personify corperal jones or are indeed just WUMing again. Firstly the way we are playing, sitting in 9th place in the second year in the prem (should probably be higher if not for injuries) how that isnt an improvement on our league 1 position only in our recent history I dont know. Then it is the crazy suggestion that we should sign someone on the off chance that we may lose key players to big bids. Well, that is just absolute madness, if we have the cash to do that then surely (and I expect this to happen) we will be saying nobody is leaving this window ? I must admit Alps what a stonker of a flappingly hysterical post this is. i like the bit bout Katharina Liebherr being upset with 9th. I bet she don't even know where we finished last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 In the big games when both have been fit and we've used one striker Osvaldo has started. that can only have happened like what, 3 times tho? I just don't see Lambert consigned to scrap heap as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Yoshida and Fox have done as I'd expect them too. Worse than the first teamers by some distance but not absolute liabilities unless they're all playing together and with a poor keeper. Only Hooiveld has been a complete mess and we've all seen him play better. He did 3 or 4 months of playing last season without belting it in his own goal. You're never going to have a whole squad playing their best at the same time I'm afraid. I'd rather Hooiveld wasn't 4th choice CB as he's completely lost it, but when he's at his best, he'd probably be alright as 4th choice. I think we need to get more out of Osvaldo, JWP and Lambert right now, and the same amount out of the returning players like Boruc and Wanyama as they were giving before. But we could of course, get mixed amounts out of everyone, have quite a few losses and another injury crisis and still come 9th. TBH Hoovield was god aweful last year, how anyone said he wasnt probably weren't watching closely enough IMO, as much as Yoshi has performed badly this year his poorer performances last year were when he was partnered with the positionally poor hoovield. As per getting the best out of the squad, of course that will go so far, pergaps players such as Ramirez can perform to his ability, change the taxtics to utilise Ossie better and ask Shaw why he isnt as dominant as he was last year but all in all we have seen the replacements arent good enough. Nobody is asking for wholesale changes but it was obvious that a GK was vital in the summer and we have seen how that mistake has worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 The press report that SFC will not be buying this January should not be surprising as little would be gained by bringing in new players, even if they were world class. Other than improving the standard of the team? Yeah, that's not going to be beneficial. If we signed world class players in goal, central defence, midfield and up front we'd be MUCH better, and less susceptible to the injury problems and lack of depth which have directly affected results for the past month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Not an either/or ffs. Transfers matter but the idea that they and they only allow a club to progress is horse****. Kind of logic that explains why some were clamoring last season for a new signing to upgrade on Lallana. Can you name a club that has improved to our levels without significant investment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Everyone foresaw Kelvin wouldn't be fit as well of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Everyone foresaw Kelvin wouldn't be fit as well of course. In what respect ? A fit kelvins not good enough for this league either ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 It baffles me why people criticise Turkish. We should all aspire to be as right as Turkish is most of the time. This forum would be a better place if we were all as right as often as Turkish is. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 It baffles me why people criticise Turkish. We should all aspire to be as right as Turkish is most of the time. This forum would be a better place if we were all as right as often as Turkish is. IMO of course. He might be a bit over the top and aim in on the stupid carp that quite a few posters on here trot out from time to time but he is rarely wide of the mark by much IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 that can only have happened like what, 3 times tho? I just don't see Lambert consigned to scrap heap as yet. No one said he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 yeah i was using hyperbole! This is how things is always debated on saintsweb ffs! Are you new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 that can only have happened like what, 3 times tho? I just don't see Lambert consigned to scrap heap as yet. True, but he isnt suited to the lone striker role in our system either which is why he tends to play with another or in the attacking midfield 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 http://www.skybet.com/football/transfer-specials/event/16079603 10/1 with skybet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 If this is true, it has got to rate as one of the most f**kwitted decisions to come out of SMS for a loooong time, possibly since the Lowe days. According to the media, several clubs are interested in several of our players, and Manyoo have a 200m warchest. If we arent even looking at players we could get caught out, losing key squad members due to irresistible offers, with hours of the window to go and not being able to do anything about it. I also think it is bluffing, however, but lets see. Not a lot appears to be happening at the moment. Maybe the club, fingers burnt over Gash and Osvaldo, are getting better at keeping their transactions private. To those who feel all warm and cosy in 9th place (despite having been 3rd and playing for top spot) - and see that as sufficient progress after 35m spent last summer - consider whether Katharina Liebherr will be willing to stump up again next summer after such a small return on her investment. I SFC are being very complacent. In the Premier league you cannot afford to 'stand still' unless you are prepared to prepare for a return to the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 True, but he isnt suited to the lone striker role in our system either which is why he tends to play with another or in the attacking midfield 3 yeah i know that smirking pls pls stop trolling on me! I just don't think signing osvaldo has yet proven to be v.bad news for lambart. This is my opinion that i am saying! I am not at all enjoying saying it tho i'm even boring myself with the conversation i'm having with turkish bout it. I go home now. Laters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 In what respect ? A fit kelvins not good enough for this league either ?!? Agree but for a couple of games he'd have been ok and how many teams do have excellent kippers waiting to step in? We are not that big a club to expect cover that would please every unreasonable tw*t on here in every position. Element of risk and need to improve but one and half season back in PL and people expect so much. Yoshida is an example - many expecting him to be starting this season and now probably same people saying get rid. Just laughable loyalty but this place appears to be mainly an ego contest more than a place for rational thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 It baffles me why people criticise Turkish. We should all aspire to be as right as Turkish is most of the time. This forum would be a better place if we were all as right as often as Turkish is. IMO of course. I actually think this place is far better for having Turkish posting. Don't agree with him always and enjoys antagonising but actually speaks sense....mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 NO mate, i'm just pointing out that depsite consistantly being called a troll and talking bo*ocks i'm right an awful lot. THe reason for this is i do my research, speak to people more ITK than i am and also understand the game ratherly than blindly dismissing everything i dont want to hear as bo*locks and everything i do want to hear to be the gospel truth. Guly- 15 min contract clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 yeah i know that smirking pls pls stop trolling on me! I just don't think signing osvaldo has yet proven to be v.bad news for lambart. This is my opinion that i am saying! I am not at all enjoying saying it tho i'm even boring myself with the conversation i'm having with turkish bout it. I go home now. Laters! You have been on the main board for longer than your doctor advises bear, I think you need to go post a thread on periods or womens nipple piercings or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Guly- 15 min contract clause No that was just a 'joke / wind-up'.....apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Things change. Players improve Spurs flop Gareth could Bale out in January as Birmingham boss Alex McLeish eyes £3m defender http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221871/Spurs-flop-Gareth-Bale-January-Birmingham-boss-Alex-McLeish-eyes-3m-defender.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 I actually think this place is far better for having Turkish posting. Don't agree with him always and enjoys antagonising but actually speaks sense....mostly Some people are very sanctimonious. IMO they are ofdten the ones ruining the site by stopping friendly and lively debate. Note, Turkish makes a point but avoids personal insults. Same applies to Alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 He might be a bit over the top and aim in on the stupid carp that quite a few posters on here trot out from time to time but he is rarely wide of the mark by much IMO. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Guly- 15 min contract clause I admitted I made that up for a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 No that was just a 'joke / wind-up'.....apparently. The funniest thing about it is some of the mugs on here, like you, still take it seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 NO mate, i'm just pointing out that depsite consistantly being called a troll and talking bo*ocks i'm right an awful lot. THe reason for this is i do my research, speak to people more ITK than i am and also understand the game ratherly than blindly dismissing everything i dont want to hear as bo*locks and everything i do want to hear to be the gospel truth. Maybe you should give your boring, repetitive, "funny" posts a rest, stop encouraging the ubermongs like Glasgow then and stick to the footy and people might find you less of a helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 Maybe you should give your boring, repetitive, "funny" posts a rest, stop encouraging the ubermongs like Glasgow then and stick to the footy and people might find you less of a helmet. Because one of the key things that would give my life meaning is if a load if helmets on an anonymous mongboard don't think I'm a helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 January, 2014 Share Posted 10 January, 2014 (edited) The all-time mboard classic remains Adkins prematch interview for the Swansea game where he said he was going to do things differently. The statement was seized upon as vindicating months and months of horse**** on here that Clotese (lols) was picking the team and setting the formation. Adkins was going to go out in a blaze of glory to Sinatra's "My Way", the mboard roared. Turns out what Adkins really meant was that he was taking the team to the country for a bit of clay pigeon shooting and bingo. Memories. Edited 10 January, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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