kwsaint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 According to The Secret Footballer, Clattenburg likes to refer to players by nicknames. So he referred to John Obi Mikel as 'Mikey' - which was misheard as Monkey. Which makes him a complete idiot rather than a racist. Would be interesting to know what he said to AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 According to The Secret Footballer, Clattenburg likes to refer to players by nicknames. So he referred to John Obi Mikel as 'Mikey' - which was misheard as Monkey. Which makes him a complete idiot rather than a racist. Would be interesting to know what he said to AL. Some refs are starstruck with certain players & want to be their mates. A ref shouldn't call a player by a nickname, it should either be 'Mr. whoever' or just plan 'feller'. Familiarity breeds contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Probably got the nickname wrong and called him scumma in chief or whatever it is the sates refer to him as. After, can I have a photo plse sir, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 According to The Secret Footballer, Clattenburg likes to refer to players by nicknames. So he referred to John Obi Mikel as 'Mikey' - which was misheard as Monkey. Which makes him a complete idiot rather than a racist. Would be interesting to know what he said to AL. My boy calls him Banana, so maybe that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Anyone know what he actually said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Anyone know what he actually said? "No, I'm not giving you a penalty you Scummer cu*t"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Apparently it was 'of a personal nature' - only lifted that from twitter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Lallana's problem was that he too called the ref by his nickname. Twwattenburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 (edited) Edit Edited 3 January, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Trouble is it won't get that penalty or the point we might have gained. On the other hand, no complaint, next time he referees us he might give us a decision in our favour to even things up?? Who knows…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Trouble is it won't get that penalty or the point we might have gained. On the other hand, no complaint, next time he referees us he might give us a decision in our favour to even things up?? Who knows…. as in the case of Everton you mean, gave some horrendous decisions against them in 2007 and last week he made up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Footballers can be a bit precious at times. 'Oh the ref said a nasty word to me', after you've just called him every swear word under the sun. Not saying Adam did but it happens in most cases. I always thought you were sent off for swearing at or insulting the ref. That was the case when I used to play (along time ago granted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Look at me, look at me, I start all the threads. Glasgow is that you? Paying £5 just to have a more legitimate account from which to attack people who start threads before you! Honestly you should be ashamed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Glasgow is that you? Paying £5 just to have a more legitimate account from which to attack people who start threads before you! Honestly you should be ashamed! No. Mr Diamond has a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 (edited) No. Mr Diamond has a job. And a life I guess. Back to the thread... Everton boss Roberto Martinez said: "I thought Mark Clattenburg had a very good game in terms of controlling the players and showing a great manner, and I'm quite surprised." I'm sure you did Roberto. Edited 3 January, 2014 by Greenridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Hopefully, the least we get out of this is that Clattenburg is appointed to a lot less of our games, ideally none. It's not that the rest of them are buzzing hives of refereeing efficiency but that Clattenburg does seem to make regular attempts to decide the result of our matches, and not in our favour (Norwich, Arsenal, Everton). Just as hopefully, the other referees will no longer see us as a team willing to take bad decisions in the nuts without a whimper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Hopefully, the least we get out of this is that Clattenburg is appointed to a lot less of our games, ideally none. It's not that the rest of them are buzzing hives of refereeing efficiency but that Clattenburg does seem to make regular attempts to decide the result of our matches, and not in our favour (Norwich, Arsenal, Everton). Just as hopefully, the other referees will no longer see us as a team willing to take bad decisions in the nuts without a whimper. Or Just give us the even more sH1ttier end of the stick for daring to question the moral standing of one of their own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Great player but Adam is a bit of a girls blouse. I couldn't imagine Roy Keane crying to Ferguson about being called a banana, the ref should've been too scared too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Or Just give us the even more sH1ttier end of the stick for daring to question the moral standing of one of their own! Always a possibility with that kind of stick-together fraternity, but my hunch is that it will work more for us than against us. I couldn't stand Dermot Gallagher as a referee but I have a much higher regard for him since he moved to a TV role, and it's actually quite comforting to have him there because he is willing to call them out when he thinks they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Difference between a player giving abuse to a ref and the ref giving it back is significant. Player gives it out and yeah, it's bad and should be punished, but it doesn't make you question whether the player is doing their job. If a ref gets personal about insulting a player, you have to question whether they're going to be impartial after that. A ref at the very top level of the game NEEDS to be above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Difference between a player giving abuse to a ref and the ref giving it back is significant. Player gives it out and yeah, it's bad and should be punished, but it doesn't make you question whether the player is doing their job. If a ref gets personal about insulting a player, you have to question whether they're going to be impartial after that. A ref at the very top level of the game NEEDS to be above that. Indeed. In the same way you wouldn't expect a teacher to react in the same way as a pupil. Ye olde "two wrongs don't make a right"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Understand Clattenburg said to Lallana "you’re very different now you have played for England, you never used to be like this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Understand Clattenburg said to Lallana "you’re very different now you have played for England, you never used to be like this." that's a personal reflection and not a world ending insult to be honest, if we've gone to the FA for that we're going to look like mugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Understand Clattenburg said to Lallana "you’re very different now you have played for England, you never used to be like this." Hope AL replied, Yes but you are as sh!te as ever with your crap decisions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 that's a personal reflection and not a world ending insult to be honest, if we've gone to the FA for that we're going to look like mugs. When it comes straight after turning down an absolute stonewall penalty then I think the player is entitled to be annoyed. If the decision had been correct then its not so bad, but Clattenburg should focus on making good decisions rather than snide comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Surprising news that a group of referees has decided a referee has no case to answer. There's got to have been much more to it than the suggested quotes, there's no way we'd have made a formal complaint on that basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Obviously bad blood from Norwich away last year so quite possibly we are just trying not to get him as ref for any of our games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 When it comes straight after turning down an absolute stonewall penalty then I think the player is entitled to be annoyed. If the decision had been correct then its not so bad, but Clattenburg should focus on making good decisions rather than snide comments. it's not even a snide comment, if Lallana has changed since he played for England then it's a statement of fact. As he's been Captain for a fair while now and often harangues refs he's changed in the opinion of Clattenburg but it's not an insult. We can only assume that it's not in fact what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Ben Smith @BenSmithBBC #SaintsFC unlikely to drop their complaint though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 It is a snide comment, especially after turning down a clear pen very late in the game. Does Clattenburg expect Lallana just to tell him "no problem ref"? Of course he will be annoyed and frustrated at him (rightly so). Clattenburg should get his own house in order before making judgements on another person's character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport I understand #saintsfc aren't in the mood to accept decision from PGMOL and are likely to pursue this further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 On another angle, the sooner Lallana is captain again over Davis the better. Impossible for a keeper to do the job of dealing with refs etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10548814/Mark-Clattenburg-has-no-case-to-answer-in-Adam-Lallana-row-as-Professional-Game-Match-Officials-back-referee.html PGMOL determined Southampton’s complaint had no merit whatsoever, saying in a statement: “PGMOL is committed to constructive dialogue and communication with clubs, managers and players. “On 31st December, PGMOL received a letter from Southampton who raised concerns about the conduct of Mark Clattenburg following their game with Everton on 29th December. “In a written response to Southampton, PGMOL acknowledge that their complaint has been considered in full. “However, given the nature of the conversation with the player, having reviewed the footage and spoken to the team of officials as well as the Premier League Match Delegate it has been found that there is no case to answer. “Mark has the full support of PGMOL Management and will be considered for selection for all and any matches going forward in the usual way.” It is understood the club decided to make a formal complaint having also been unhappy with some of Clattenburg’s performances when he had refereed them previously. They also felt he must have been under particular pressure on his return to Everton, while members of club staff also alleged that they heard him say he had seen a handball when he was talking in the tunnel after the match. Conversely, it is believed in refereeing circles that no complaint would have been made against Clattenburg had he not been the subject of an accusation in October 2012 that he racially abused Chelsea midfielder John Obi Mikel during the Londoners' defeat to Manchester United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Jordan Sibley tweeted afterwards that in the tunnel Clattenburg had been saying he saw the handball but didnt think it was deliberate. Poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Hopefully we will not have to suffer Clattenburg refereeing any more of our matches this season at least. There's a few others I would like to see the back of as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Given the PGMOL statement doesn't specify what Clattenburg is alleged to have said, where has the quote 'leaked' from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 No case to answer - I assume the refs Union or whatever they call themselves means by that there is insufficient evidence and therefore there should be no investigation or put another way, a closing of ranks, a cover up. Wasn't that the conclusion with the Mikel incident too? In these instances refs as a group would benefit from showing a little transparency. If Clattenburg has nothing to hide then let's hear the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Case dismissed by the PL according to the BBC, not surprised if that's really all he said, stupid thing to complain over. Now if he'd said "What's up with you, not getting any since you've been married" now that I could understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 It is a snide comment, especially after turning down a clear pen very late in the game. Does Clattenburg expect Lallana just to tell him "no problem ref"? Of course he will be annoyed and frustrated at him (rightly so). Clattenburg should get his own house in order before making judgements on another person's character. I agree, it's not outright "offensive", but it's a snide, condescending remark to put Lallana "back in his place", referees have no place to comment on the character or otherwise of players. S**t ref, hope we pursue it further as his performances in our games have been a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If all this means he won't ref at SMS for 6 years The job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If all this means he won't ref at SMS for 6 years The job done don't count on it, this is nothing like what happened at Goodison in 2007, changed a yellow to a red because Gerrard asked him to and then didn't send Kuyt off for a flying drop kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 'You're very different now you've played for England. You never used to be like this'. Reported on 5-live Clattenburg is an idiot. Doesn't get respect because he doesn't deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If all this means he won't ref at SMS for 6 years I'm rather hoping it doesn't mean that. Should be excellent entertainment value when he next refs a Saints game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Ben Rumsby @ben_rumsby Apparently, Clattenburg said to Lallana: “You’re very different now since you played for England. You never used to be like this.” Trousers @Lord_Trousers @ben_rumsby Why only "apparently"? Ben Rumsby @ben_rumsby @Lord_Trousers Because that is one version of events. Still waiting to hear whether Southampton/Lallana dispute it. Trousers @Lord_Trousers @ben_rumsby Cheers. So that quote was 'leaked' directly by the PGMOL then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If that's all what was said, pretty stupid for the club to complain and think that anything would be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If that's all what was said, pretty stupid for the club to complain and think that anything would be done about it. Absolutely spot on, don't know what we thought we were doing if that's all that's all that was said. Stupid,stupid,stupid thing to do for so little. Makes Adam look like a big girl's blouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Saints statement: An official insulting any player, no matter his intentions, is clearly not acceptable behaviour, for this reason we do not accept the verdict of the PGMOL in relation to this case and do not consider the matter to be over. Under the circumstances we do not feel it appropriate for Mr Clattenburg to officiate any of our matches until this matter is resolved. Tell everyone what Clattenburg is alleged to have said and then the club might actually get a bit of support for their stance. If the words quoted are true, we are making ourselves look ****ing ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 If that's all what was said, pretty stupid for the club to complain and think that anything would be done about it. Depends what the club's aim was/is I guess. Maybe it was just a "don't mess with us" shot across the bows, although seems odd to put Lallana in the firing line (given he's largely a kind of private person) if that is indeed all Clattenburg said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Paddy Power @paddypower #ThingsThatUpsetAdamLallana When there's unidentified items in the bagging area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 3 January, 2014 Share Posted 3 January, 2014 Can't believe that we'd be pushing this hard over what's already been reported? Got to be more to it surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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