Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 bigger picture you are missing - your philosophy a good chairman you would not make Football is a reults business. Mopo got the Saints job on potential - he wont get a bigger job until he starts to get results. As a manager he averages 30% win ratio.... That is very poor and the lowest of all current premiership managers Even the "crap" managers René Meulensteen, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes, Poyet, Sam Allardyce all have better career win % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Interviews with Jim White on Sky, threats to walk away in the summer, behind the scenes article in (I think) The Mail recently and that's just off the top of my head. He now uses rather than abuses, granted. But there's nothing exceptional in any of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 He now uses rather than abuses, granted. But there's nothing exceptional in any of the above. Exceptional no, but your point was that he hasn't got very good at using the media, when he's clearly learnt very well to use it to his advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Interviews with Jim White on Sky, threats to walk away in the summer, behind the scenes article in (I think) The Mail recently and that's just off the top of my head. I see what you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Football is a reults business. Mopo got the Saints job on potential - he wont get a bigger job until he starts to get results. As a manager he averages 30% win ratio.... That is very poor and the lowest of all current premiership managers Even the "crap" managers René Meulensteen, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes, Poyet, Sam Allardyce all have better career win % My point made is complete.....honestly, take a look at your list, which one would you choose....I see the point you're making, can you see mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Exceptional no, but your point was that he hasn't got very good at using the media, when he's clearly learnt very well to use it to his advantage. That wasn't quite what I said but anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 A legitimate question from the OP, especially given the record of Cortese's hiring policy, and one I posed in the Chelsea match thread, to a torrent of abuse from some quarters. I think NC will stick with 'Tino for the problem lies in squad depth, not the manager. NC will not be happy though presently, and will in part be revising his own appraisal as much as anyone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Thats football. Mopo to Spurs was always madness Mopo's win % at Saints is now lower than 30% similar % to his spell at Espanyol. Managers who average Your math isn´t very good, is it? 39 games, 13 wins, 13 draws and 13 losses apparently before yesterday. It´s not THAT hard to see the win percentage there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Your math isn´t very good, is it? 39 games, 13 wins, 13 draws and 13 losses apparently before yesterday. It´s not THAT hard to see the win percentage there.... You also have to look at of those games how many times have we played the top 4. I'm. Fairly sure that since he has been here we have come up against a higher percentage of the top sides. The run in last season was quote tough,I accept we had a softer start its season but that has come back big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 You also have to look at of those games how many times have we played the top 4. I'm. Fairly sure that since he has been here we have come up against a higher percentage of the top sides. The run in last season was quote tough,I accept we had a softer start its season but that has come back big time Both yes and no though. Last year he played all but Arsenal, Aston Villa and Fulham and this year we´re half way through the season + 1 extra game against Chelsea. Anyone would understand though that playing 7 games out of 9 against top 8 teams in such a short space of time with injuries damaging the team would be extremely tough and nothing you really can put down to the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Every club has injuries! We have much less than other clubs who just seem to fair / cope much much better http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Every club has injuries! We have much less than other clubs who just seem to fair / cope much much better http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php Not very interesting what teams situation today is, is it? And what teams do you think cope better that we are close to? Newcastle? Very few injuries, in fact probably the team with the fewest recent 2 months.... Everton? Well we discussed the other week that they had one starter out then. Other than those I dont see any teams that cope better than us on that list unless you think we´re close to Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and United and surely it´s only happy clappers that supposedly believe we´re close to them with our squad? How many teams in the league has been forced to play 3rd choice keeper for 5 games in a row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Not yet. He has 2 full seasons to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Not very interesting what teams situation today is, is it? And what teams do you think cope better that we are close to? Newcastle? Very few injuries, in fact probably the team with the fewest recent 2 months.... Everton? Well we discussed the other week that they had one starter out then. Other than those I dont see any teams that cope better than us on that list unless you think we´re close to Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and United and surely it´s only happy clappers that supposedly believe we´re close to them with our squad? How many teams in the league has been forced to play 3rd choice keeper for 5 games in a row? Every club has injuries - we have a lot less than many as earlier illustrated We are coping equal last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Is alpine ok , I note he hasn't posted on this thread or the other similar ones . Unless he is using another name given there are a number of new poster names that have appeared . Gas , pastor et al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 As a real Saints supporter you need to go through the bad times as well as the good times. MoPo is constantly learning and will have realised yesterday that Mourinho is tactically better and had better options at his disposal. MoPo is also suffering from bad luck, bad refereeing decisions and injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Every club has injuries - we have a lot less than many as earlier illustrated We are coping equal last Oh I didn´t know all those met Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle and Everton away + Man City, Spurs and Chelsea at home. My bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Are you so aggressive face to face or just on the internet? Anyway, back to the (legitimate) question. Money has been spent, and yes, we've improved, but is it enough for NC? No it is not a legitimate question as you well know. obviously you do it just to drawe attention to yourself but really.... absolutely bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 No it is not a legitimate question as you well know. obviously you do it just to drawe attention to yourself but really.... absolutely bonkers Not a legitimate question? You best tell the bookies as they have him as 4th fav as the next to get the boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 He's 20/1 next to leave. Looking at the bigger picture we are still 9th, it's hardly a disaster. One of the problems is that the way the fixtures have come, expectations rose as a result of some good form against some of the weaker sides in the league. I think we've seen we are better than most of the bottom half sides, but still a long way off of the top 6/7. Very much still a work in progress. I hope Cortese isn't thinking about giving MP the sack, but it's probably best we get a decent result in the cup on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2014 No it is not a legitimate question as you well know. obviously you do it just to drawe attention to yourself but really.... absolutely bonkers It's 'draw' and I wasn't doing anything of the sort. Football is all about opinions, and it just so happens yours is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I can not believe for one minute that there is a chance of Poch being sacked. We have one of the most exciting Saints teams i have ever seen playing some fantastic football and i have been watching Saints for over 40 years so i've seen some good Saints sides. The players are playing for the manager and that is evident to anyone watching that doesnt have an agenda! Every side has ups and downs during the season and the most die hard Saints fans knew our brilliant start would not last once injuries and suspensions kicked in....what none of us expexted was the horrible bad luck we got when we did pick up injuries. Has Poch improved the team and the way we play....hell yes!...and anyone that can not sees that needs to have their eyes checked. We are a work in progress and we have improved year on year since NC took over and we have improved since Poch took over as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 No need to panic yet. However If things get worse sign Miracles. Very highly rated in Roma circles. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 F**k me, when I think we can get people no thicker than Barry and Glasgow we get the mentally inferior Pastor popping along. I think I've flushed away higher IQs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I didnt think Adkins should have gone, but this is Cortese we are talking about, we know he is capable. We are halfwayish and 9th looks pretty good. But if our current form continues we will be in the bottom half soon enough. Except Lovern the new signings havent excatly set the world alight. Some of those early wins against top sides were the result of a lot of hard work, and the players dont look capable of repeating that right now. I thought we could get amongst the top teams this year after our early performances, but I think that false dawn is now coming back to bite us by over excurtion. It will be interesting to see how the team bounce back as the fixture callender eases up. If they dont we might just be welcoming a new face to st Marys, but someone will be waiting in the wings again so it will be a few weeks from the time the decision is made till the plug is pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Note how no one has a sensible argument against op and are just getting emotional and frustrated instead, maybe chuck in a few new words they've learnt like 'ironic' or 'agenda' just to really strike home the point. It's like watching a chav trying to push open a pull only door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Note how no one has a sensible argument against op i read one from BARCELONASAINT only like 5 posts ago! Do you have him ignore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Miaow!! Lots of little kitties got their claws out on this thread... I don't think MP will be off, but I wouldn't want to try to second-guess Cortese. In NC we trust and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 4th favourite to get the sack and yet the clappers still dont realise it, they are absolute beauts one has to admit, deniers of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 4th favourite to get the sack and yet the clappers still dont realise it, they are absolute beauts one has to admit, deniers of the highest order. Yeah those bookies get everything right, dont they! I mean Ever Banega was a 5/8 to sign with us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Yeah those bookies get everything right, dont they! I mean Ever Banega was a 5/8 to sign with us.... They know more than me and you (unless you are a bookie) as they make a living from it. The results have put him there not the bookies, 1 win in 9 is simply not good enough regardless of who we play, our strikers are not scoring and we are leaking goals thats a huge cause for concern, him spinning the age old we are playing well and not getting results will not stick and I agree, if he came out with a newer but more honest of x, w and z played **** but they deserve another chance or we play crap and I fuc*ed up the tactics and I apologise to the fans I would well be on his side more and we dont see enough honesty just patting the fans on the head and telling them its going to be alright. We have not been alright (successful) since 1976, no club our size has won less than us, we should demand more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I think the high press and possesion football has blinded / won over a few, but for me its a results game 1st and foremost. Mopo has the lowest career win % of all 20 premiership managers and that tells a huge story. In fact you have to go to 22nd in the Championship (Paul Dickov) to find a manager with a lower career win % than mopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Is alpine ok , I note he hasn't posted on this thread or the other similar ones . Unless he is using another name given there are a number of new poster names that have appeared . Gas , pastor et al I have noticed this as well. Hope he is ok and keeps posting. We need characters like Alpine to add a bit of colour to the site ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I think the high press and possesion football has blinded / won over a few, but for me its a results game 1st and foremost. Mopo has the lowest career win % of all 20 premiership managers and that tells a huge story. In fact you have to go to 22nd in the Championship (Paul Dickov) to find a manager with a lower career win % than mopo We get it - you don't like him. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I think the high press and possesion football has blinded / won over a few, but for me its a results game 1st and foremost. Mopo has the lowest career win % of all 20 premiership managers and that tells a huge story. In fact you have to go to 22nd in the Championship (Paul Dickov) to find a manager with a lower career win % than mopo That's crazy if true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I think the high press and possesion football has blinded / won over a few, but for me its a results game 1st and foremost. Mopo has the lowest career win % of all 20 premiership managers and that tells a huge story. In fact you have to go to 22nd in the Championship (Paul Dickov) to find a manager with a lower career win % than mopo Yes he should go and manage lower league teams (like Roberto Martinez who is rated at the top by most people these days) to boost his win percent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 That's crazy if true! 3 in league 1 and 5 in league 2 also have a worse win % than mopo Includes James Beattie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I didnt think Adkins should have gone, but this is Cortese we are talking about, we know he is capable. We are halfwayish and 9th looks pretty good. But if our current form continues we will be in the bottom half soon enough. Except Lovern the new signings havent excatly set the world alight. Some of those early wins against top sides were the result of a lot of hard work, and the players dont look capable of repeating that right now. I thought we could get amongst the top teams this year after our early performances, but I think that false dawn is now coming back to bite us by over excurtion. It will be interesting to see how the team bounce back as the fixture callender eases up. If they dont we might just be welcoming a new face to st Marys, but someone will be waiting in the wings again so it will be a few weeks from the time the decision is made till the plug is pulled. As per the above. Bottom line is we do not know what NC is likely to do. A lot of people saying recent run of results shouldn't be used to judge MP as these were games against most of the top 7 with key players missing (like Boruc). But what games was Adkins judged on last season ? Adkins had to play the top sides right from the start and with (IMO) a weaker squad (which included our 3rd choice keeper) Personally I like the way we play and for the first time I believe that Saints can go out and beat anyone in this division (I don't expect it week in / week out but I truly believe we are capable) so I am happy to see MP in charge still. Then again, I was happy to give Adkins more time. With the squad we have I believe we are about where we should be for the moment. It was a relevant question from the OP, alas as we are not NC none of us are in a position to answer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 3 in league 1 and 5 in league 2 also have a worse win % than mopo Includes James Beattie well Adkins record is diminishing pretty quickly. You like a bet, lets have one on who is sacked first MP or NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 well Adkins record is diminishing pretty quickly. You like a bet, lets have one on who is sacked first MP or NA. Im not saying that mopo should be or will be sacked - just highlighting his very poor record. Adkins moved on along time ago - I have no interest in him anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 (edited) Career win %'s mean nothing in relation to the present. I would imagine Ole Gunnar would have possibly the best career win % of the Premier League managers which according to Glasgow makes him the best in the league. He takes no note of which leagues have been managed in, or the clubs managed and whether expectations were met or not. For me, MP is meeting and exceeding my expectations. We were playing well till injuries struck to KEY players. Yes we need more depth in the squad but if I had been offered ninth at new year at the start of the season I would have reluctantly accepted it. Pretty much every game we have competed and had opportunities and on occassions we have not have the rub of the green with deflections, dodgy ref calls. I am not a happy clapper, just not an idiot antagonising others on the forum by endlessly speculating on MP getting the boot. Get a grip, I certainly dont want to go back to the days of Ruperts endless hiring and firing! Edited 2 January, 2014 by Scoobysaint Clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 They know more than me and you (unless you are a bookie) as they make a living from it. The results have put him there not the bookies, 1 win in 9 is simply not good enough regardless of who we play, our strikers are not scoring and we are leaking goals thats a huge cause for concern, him spinning the age old we are playing well and not getting results will not stick and I agree, if he came out with a newer but more honest of x, w and z played **** but they deserve another chance or we play crap and I fuc*ed up the tactics and I apologise to the fans I would well be on his side more and we dont see enough honesty just patting the fans on the head and telling them its going to be alright. We have not been alright (successful) since 1976, no club our size has won less than us, we should demand more. If you can say this after the next 8 games then I don't think anyone will disagree. Lets see how it pans out. The next 8 will define our season, not the last 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 I think the high press and possesion football has blinded / won over a few, but for me its a results game 1st and foremost. Mopo has the lowest career win % of all 20 premiership managers and that tells a huge story. In fact you have to go to 22nd in the Championship (Paul Dickov) to find a manager with a lower career win % than mopo The "high press" philosophy only works ............. until you meet the likes of Arsenal. Man City. Chelsea ............. then THEIR Class takes over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Glasgow, Barry - should MP be sacked as things stand? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Are you so aggressive face to face or just on the internet? Just on the internet of course, you dull f*ckwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 4th favourite to get the sack and yet the clappers still dont realise it, they are absolute beauts one has to admit, deniers of the highest order. Take out obvious non-starters (Wenger and Rodgers) and teams who have already installed new managers this season (City, Chelsea, Everton, Tottenham, Man Utd, Stoke, West Brom, Fulham, Cardiff, Crystal Palace and Sunderland) and I'm pretty happy to be 4th favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Glasgow, Barry - should MP be sacked as things stand? Yes or no? Id stick with him till end of season, see if he can recover Minimum expectation is 8th or top 12 with decent cup run (semi final or more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 We are 9th in the table, better than any of us could have hoped for back in August so sacking MP would do what exactly, how many places up the table (or down) could a new man take us. Would that chance be worth all the upheaval. If we are going to sack a manager every time we have a few defeats then I will give up, this is the best position we have been in for years and losing to a team who are probably in the top 4 in Europe is no disgrace, disappointing but not wholly surprising given the value of their world class players. We shouldn't be in danger of relegation and won't break into the top 4 so I would like to see us take the FA Cup seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Id stick with him till end of season, see if he can recover Minimum expectation is 8th or top 12 with decent cup run (semi final or more) So 9th and losing to Man City away in a QF in the cup wouldn´t be good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 2 January, 2014 Share Posted 2 January, 2014 Id stick with him till end of season, see if he can recover Minimum expectation is 8th or top 12 with decent cup run (semi final or more) And Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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