Billy Davies for Jan NOW

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'm pretty sure that given the chance, JP would want some more experience at the back & up front to help the youngsters - but he doesn't have that choice. That said, he have brought in a number of loans that have baffled me and others that have dissappointed.

 

Bring in BD and we'll try and play a more physical game. But how is that going to succeed if the players can't play that way (demonstrated against Palace & Burnley). We could feed them a bit more & hope they grow??!! New tactic, 3 shredded wheat every morning....

 

What you say is perfectly logical , a new coach/manager shouldn't make much difference , after-all the same players who got the old manager sacked remain in place and (IMO) most professional players always give of their best whoever is in charge .

 

But look at what's happened at Spurs since Redknapp took over , or Sunderlands last 2 performances since Keane walked for that matter - a good manager does make a real difference .

 

The longer I follow this game the more I realise you can't really use logic in football and expect to understand it - this is why you never see a Vulcan footballer in the Premier League .

[Thedelldays]

What you say is perfectly logical , a new coach/manager shouldn't make much difference , after-all the same players who got the old manager sacked remain in place and (IMO) most professional players always give of their best whoever is in charge .

 

But look at what's happened at Spurs since Redknapp took over , or Sunderlands last 2 performances since Keane walked for that matter - a good manager does make a real difference .

 

The longer I follow this game the more I realise you can't really use logic in football and expect to understand it - this is why you never see a Vulcan footballer in the Premier League .

 

if a new manager makes no difference..why did we bother with pearson in the first place...????

 

why not stick with dodd and gorman..or even wigley...:smt027

[um pahars]

did you know the average age of the wolves team..?

 

23.

 

 

i wonder what ours was yesterday..?

 

Would have thought it was north of that yesterday (would also be interested to know what Palace's was, as they also had some youngsters in their team).

[um pahars]

if a new manager makes no difference..why did we bother with pearson in the first place...????

 

why not stick with dodd and gorman..or even wigley...:smt027

 

I really don't get people's logic when they say "what difference will a new manager make??".

 

If that's the case, why have managers at all if they don't influence anything???

 

It's the same perverse logic about changing the CEO/Chairman, as if there is nothing that anyone else could do!!!!

 

Mind boggling.

 

That's not to say that a different manager would definitely achieve better results, they could of course make things worse, but to suggest that the dice have been rolled and our fate is determined, is ridiculous.

[Dalek2003]

Those of you have asked for Hoddle. Not the right sort of manager for the squad or the predicament we are in now.

We need someone who can buid a team that can 'strong arm' us to safety.

Billy Davies would be a good choice.

[Gorgiesaint]

What you say is perfectly logical , a new coach/manager shouldn't make much difference , after-all the same players who got the old manager sacked remain in place and (IMO) most professional players always give of their best whoever is in charge .

 

But look at what's happened at Spurs since Redknapp took over , or Sunderlands last 2 performances since Keane walked for that matter - a good manager does make a real difference .

 

The longer I follow this game the more I realise you can't really use logic in football and expect to understand it - this is why you never see a Vulcan footballer in the Premier League .

 

I take your point, but the difference between Spurs & Saints is that Ramos had lost the dressing room, no-one had any confidence in him, and changing the manager just helped re-unite it. From what I've heard, the players are supportive of JP, and enjoy playing under him.

 

Sunderland is the same thing, after Keane goes then the stories come out about how he treated the players.

 

I suppose the question should be, is JP popular because he is not tough enough with the players? Dropping (or not) DMG might be evidence that he needs to be tougher. The way he handled Dyer at the start of the season proves he can do it. Perhaps the players need a spell with some hard discipline to make them appreciate what they have at the moment.

[Legod Third Coming]

did you know the average age of the wolves team..?

 

23.

 

 

i wonder what ours was yesterday..?

 

Work out the average number of first team appearances, that's more relevant than age. And although he wasn't playing, I think if we had Iwelumo here you might find we had a few more goals...

[St Marco]

We need someone who knows the english game and understands to get something from these games you can't play 1 up front. You need bodies in the box. The dutch way of playing football is pretty to watch but ultimatly you get nowhere. Look at the PSV liverpool game. The dutch system got obliterated. As much as i like Jan the guy i think Jan the manager is showing his experience but more sadly showing his ego. Wont change something because he will feel it will undermine his image. That is fair enough but i would rather win games then have a manager trying to prove a point to himself. Billy Davies would be great for us but i cant see him or anyone of that caliber being Lowes puppet.

[Berkhamsted Saint]

There's some serious rewriting of history on this thread, or people are just making things up to to suit their position!!!!!

 

 

 

His contract was not up, Lowe chose to invoke the break clause.

 

Getting rid of Pearson was a conscious decision by Lowe, in order that he could bring in this "revolutionary coaching set up". Many people were aware of the decision to change the manager well before Lowe & co got their feet under the table.

 

It's a distinction that some people choose to ignore for some strange reason.

 

 

 

Complete rubbish.

 

Pearson was acutely aware of our situation and made it clear to Lowe that he was happy to work within the constraints before he went to Malta on holiday.

 

Pearson was a dead man walking the minute Wilde joined forces with Lowe.

 

Not complete rubbish infact reliable info - not rewriting history to suit a position just putting some balance on the Pearson situation. Pearson could have stayed if he was prepared to work with Lowe but wasnt prepared to work under certain constraints primarily financial and having to work with youngsters.

[um pahars]

Not complete rubbish infact reliable info - not rewriting history to suit a position just putting some balance on the Pearson situation. Pearson could have stayed if he was prepared to work with Lowe but wasnt prepared to work under certain constraints primarily financial and having to work with youngsters.

 

Have you been fed that by Cowen by any chance (or by those who have chatted to him about it)??????

 

Pearson was acutely aware of the financial constraints he had to work under. He was aware of how the youngsters would have to play a bigger part in the coming season. He understood that many of the big earners would have to be offloaded and he also understood he would have to use a few loan players.

 

He went away on holiday to Malta convinced he would be returning to rebuild for this close season.

 

He wanted to stay and had no problem working under the obvious constraints.

 

Lowe activated the break clause, not Pearson.

 

The little story being peddled around that Pearson was not prepared to work under certain constraints is absolute nonsense (and if Mr Cowen reads this forum, I suggest he rings up Pearson and repeats that little story to him LOL).

 

Many people (including the SOS bods) were aware that Pearson was a dead man walking months before Lowe got rid of him.

[eelpie]

Nice idea - how are we goig to pay him though? Lowe needs to depart now though, that's the third awful blunder after Grey and Wriggley, we'll never know with Sturrock and Lowe was unlucky with Burley so I excuse him on that one.

 

Think I'd rather have Barclays pick our new manager than Rupert...

 

They probably will/do/did

[eelpie]

Lowe wants shooting if he even considers Hockaday.

 

Guaranteed that he already has considered him.

Or one of the senior players as player/coach. That would save some money and please Barclays.

 

There is no chance of Billy Davies or anyone with previous experience being appointed by Lowe.

[bungle]

Billy Davies is a vile c*nt, and is not welcome at this football club.

[Greenridge]

Not complete rubbish infact reliable info - not rewriting history to suit a position just putting some balance on the Pearson situation. Pearson could have stayed if he was prepared to work with Lowe but wasnt prepared to work under certain constraints primarily financial and having to work with youngsters.

 

What a complete load of doo-da but don't let facts get in the way of your thought process. Even Sundance Beast has conceded that there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest Pearson couldn't / wouldn't work with the youngsters. Plenty of quotes have previously been supplied et al from Pearson to support his positive view on working with the younger guys as has his previous experience with many levels of the England set-up including a spell as caretaker manager of the U21's.

[VectisSaint]

Billy Davies is a vile c*nt, and is not welcome at this football club.

True, we already have one of those in charge, we don't need another one.

[um pahars]

What a complete load of doo-da but don't let facts get in the way of your thought process. Even Sundance Beast has conceded that there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest Pearson couldn't / wouldn't work with the youngsters. Plenty of quotes have previously been supplied et al from Pearson to support his positive view on working with the younger guys as has his previous experience with many levels of the England set-up including a spell as caretaker manager of the U21's.

 

I think you'll find that this little story has been doing the rounds for a while now and Berkhemstead is one of a few who has obviously been tapped up(or he has spoken to those who were fed this line) .

 

I also understand that a certain manager in Leicestershire has got word of this story and is rather non plussed at the accusation. Of course, the originator of this story could always go public, but I very much doubt they would. They're just happy to spread unsubstantiated tittle tattle

 

In a way it's actually a criticism of the current regime as it's actually a recognition of how poorly we are doing. As rather than being able to say we appointed Poortvliet as we thought he was a better option (and his results have justified that decision), they are trying to justify the appointment as having to be made because Pearson walked away.

 

Pearson was a dead man walking the minute Wilde teamed up with Lowe.

[solentstars]

Those of you have asked for Hoddle. Not the right sort of manager for the squad or the predicament we are in now.

We need someone who can buid a team that can 'strong arm' us to safety.

Billy Davies would be a good choice.

give me a ex england manager than that davies ,its not gonna happen " strong arm for safety"whats that all about,we are not a wrestling team ,we play football.

[LostBoys]

I do think that Jan will be given the tin tack in January but I agree any replacement will be from the existing coaching staff as much as I think Billy Davis would keep us in this division.

[St Paul]

Billy Davis couldn't work for Lowe, he'd end up chining him.........

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Billy Davis couldn't work for Lowe, he'd end up chining him.........

 

 

 

Get him in asap then...

[Dark Munster]

Um Pahars writes a lot of sense here about NP.

[sir_fred]

This is by the far the stupidest thread I have ever read on this forum. Davies is a hoofer, you need hoofers and big guys for that. We have a bunch of kids playing good football on the ground but would be totally useless if they started hoof the long ball. Can't believe the impatience people are showing in the team. We are just a striker and a central defender from being a really good CCC side.

[alpine_saint]

This is by the far the stupidest thread I have ever read on this forum. Davies is a hoofer, you need hoofers and big guys for that. We have a bunch of kids playing good football on the ground but would be totally useless if they started hoof the long ball. Can't believe the impatience people are showing in the team. We are just a striker and a central defender from being a really good CCC side.

 

They are totally usless playing "total football" too. Football is a results-oriented business, just like the professions the rest of us work in.

 

But hey-ho - if 20minutes of pretty passing but total lack of penetration is enough for you, not much the rest of us in the real world can do about it..

[NickG]

your criticism of the poster doesn't seem anything to do with the quote? Did you read it or just think it was time for one of your random ill thought out moans for the sake of it?

[JustMike]

not knee jerk.....my honest opinion..

 

JAN OUT

 

would make no difference imo, we would still have no money, still have to sell players to further cut the wage bill and still have RL interfearing

[Wes Tender]

you talking sense,it seems no one else wants davies in the top 2 divisions except his small fan club on here,i wonder why !

 

And you're talking through your posterior again.

 

The reason that Davies has not been appointed by anybody else so far is not that people don't want him. It is myriad other reasons. For example, if you look at the reasons why he hasn't come here, primarily it would be that he is not a yes man, so couldn't work with Lowe. Secondly we probably couldn't afford somebody of his calibre and thirdly it is doubtful that he would want to come here under the current circumstances. There are probably other clubs who have not employed him for similar reasons, or perhaps he is just biding his time for a really good offer, which he is in a good position to do.

 

Of the managers available, Davies has by far the best record of getting teams promoted from this division. Any chairman who had an ounce of intelligence would have gone for the strategy of hiring such a manager instead of going down the route of appointing somebody from a foreign country totally inexperienced in football over here let alone at this level, just because he was cheap. But we all know that Lowe does not do things based on intelligent reasons.

[Wes Tender]

This is by the far the stupidest thread I have ever read on this forum. Davies is a hoofer, you need hoofers and big guys for that. We have a bunch of kids playing good football on the ground but would be totally useless if they started hoof the long ball. Can't believe the impatience people are showing in the team. We are just a striker and a central defender from being a really good CCC side.

 

Davies is not a hoofer by inclination. He is an astute manager intelligent enough to realise that the most effective route to gain promotion is to utilise the playing resources to their maximum potential. In the case of Derby, that was a strategy of playing the ball forward to the big mobile forward, bypassing the midfield and very effective it was too. Hull used the same strategy when they beat us 5-0 last season. In the case of Preston, they played good passing football and achieved a club record run of 22 matches unbeaten.

 

So if you would prefer a one dimensional manager who apparently cannot change a strategy which is set in concrete, to one who has a proven track record of success in this division, then you just wallow in your own little comfort zone. The decent CB we sold and the decent strikers are all out on loan. We are also short of a commanding central midfielder. But if financial reasons dictated those decisions, then we aren't going to solve them on the cheap, are we?

[saint1977]

This is by the far the stupidest thread I have ever read on this forum. Davies is a hoofer, you need hoofers and big guys for that. We have a bunch of kids playing good football on the ground but would be totally useless if they started hoof the long ball. Can't believe the impatience people are showing in the team. We are just a striker and a central defender from being a really good CCC side.

 

Says Mr 3 posts PR plant. Look at one of threads above, Wolves have an average age of 23, not much above ours but they have VERY GOOD young players. We have one or two that are good for this level - Surman and I think Lallana will be the pick of the bunch - and a few that will be much longer term bets - Mills, Gobern, Racine. The rest like Lancashire are very average and look at McGoldrick - 21 and couldn't score in almost 20 loan appearances in League 1 next season!

 

Average young players will only ever make average experienced players with limited re-sell value, can people not understand that? We'd be better off if we can't afford decent loan signings trying to find a bargain in the Dutch markets and use JP and Wotte's knowledge to see if a Ferry Bodde turns up. After all, Dutch players tend to fit quite well historically into English football.

[solentstars]

And you're talking through your posterior again.

 

The reason that Davies has not been appointed by anybody else so far is not that people don't want him. It is myriad other reasons. For example, if you look at the reasons why he hasn't come here, primarily it would be that he is not a yes man, so couldn't work with Lowe. Secondly we probably couldn't afford somebody of his calibre and thirdly it is doubtful that he would want to come here under the current circumstances. There are probably other clubs who have not employed him for similar reasons, or perhaps he is just biding his time for a really good offer, which he is in a good position to do.

 

Of the managers available, Davies has by far the best record of getting teams promoted from this division. Any chairman who had an ounce of intelligence would have gone for the strategy of hiring such a manager instead of going down the route of appointing somebody from a foreign country totally inexperienced in football over here let alone at this level, just because he was cheap. But we all know that Lowe does not do things based on intelligent reasons.

he got promtion once,burley has a better track record in this division.their have been lots of good jobs available since he got sacked from the worst derby team in history and the only club to consider him is colchester in the year he has been available. give me pearson than davies anyday .

[slickmick]

Would rather have Keane than Davis.

[once_bitterne]

There is no way that we could afford to pay what Davies would demand.

 

Also, even after the bad spell in the Prem, Davies is still a highly rated manager. When he accepts a new job it won't be for a stgruggling CCC team with no money to spend and on the verges of administration.

 

Davies is quite simply out of our league. We will end up at a struggling Prem team or a CCC team challenging for promotion.

 

If Lowe was to look for a new manager it would have to the usual out of work suspects or maybe a manager from L1/L2 who could be lured by the sight of our nice newish stadium and facilities. Davies? Not a chance, we might as well start a thread on getting Wenger in.

[slickmick]

There is no way that we could afford to pay what Davies would demand.

 

Also, even after the bad spell in the Prem, Davies is still a highly rated manager. When he accepts a new job it won't be for a stgruggling CCC team with no money to spend and on the verges of administration.

 

Davies is quite simply out of our league. We will end up at a struggling Prem team or a CCC team challenging for promotion.

 

If Lowe was to look for a new manager it would have to the usual out of work suspects or maybe a manager from L1/L2 who could be lured by the sight of our nice newish stadium and facilities. Davies? Not a chance, we might as well start a thread on getting Wenger in.

 

 

I think your putting us down to much. Billy Davies isn't that great.

[Charlie Wayman]

not knee jerk.....my honest opinion..

 

JAN OUT

 

All I can say is "Crap opinion".

 

Why d'ya think nobody else wants to employ him? 'Cos he's forgotten, 'cos he's history.

[Wes Tender]

he got promtion once,burley has a better track record in this division.their have been lots of good jobs available since he got sacked from the worst derby team in history and the only club to consider him is colchester in the year he has been available. give me pearson than davies anyday .

 

I would have wanted Davies after Burley went, but would have been quite content to have retained Pearson's services at the end of last season, but once Lowe had partaken of the magic mushrooms, he wasn't an option.

 

Read Once Bitterne's comments as to why Davies would not be available to us, because he's spot on IMO

[JustMike]

Would rather have Keane than Davis.

 

seconded but he would not work with RL interfearing, probably end up chining him!!

[Wes Tender]

seconded but he would not work with RL interfearing, probably end up chining him!!

 

So probably worth hiring for that eventuality alone.

[eelpie]

The priority must be to bring back our talented pros currently out on loan, and to rebuild the first team with the best of the players that we own - a proper mix of youth and experience. Sending our best strikers out on loan has been a complete disaster. ringing them back will stretch our finances even further but it has to be done. If Davis were to take over the squad we wouldn't be able to afford them. Davis would not have a decent squad to work with. We currently can't afford the best players we already have AND Davis. (Not that I wouldn't object to him kicking arses here right now.)

[JustMike]

So probably worth hiring for that eventuality alone.

 

that would be funny

[egreog]

Can't afford him...... wouldn't want him..end of

[londonsaint1604]

I don't think it would make much difference to be honest. Jan himself is not the problem, it's the fact that he has had to rely on young and naive defenders who concede goals early on in most games and, of course, the fact that we have **** all money which means he's also relying on young, inexperienced strikers who don't score any goals.

 

It is up to him to address the defensive problems and he always needed time to do that. I think he deserves more time to show what he can do because some of the performances so far have actually been very good, we've just been very inconsistent. Therefore I don't see what good changing the manager would do at this stage, we just need to be patient and let the youngsters develop and gain a bit more experience for next season.

[redorwhitelion]

Surely the question isn't JP, Billy Davies or Nigel Pearson. A more pressing issue is stability or change.

 

I was against Pearson being removed (I'm with Berkhamstead 80% - but Pearson was clearly pushed), but equally I'm against the removal of JP. We've chosen a course and to have to follow it for more than 5 months to have any chance of success in the long term.

 

We all knew that the best we could hope this season was to tread water and stay out of administration. Achieve 50 points, which we seem capable of (Jan transfer window depending) and we then look for gradual year on year growth, both on the pitch and on the balance sheets.

 

Davies is an arse and I'm prepared to chance it slightly, rather than welcome Davies' ultra aggressive version of the game, not that I think any degree of success is guaranteed under his stewardship. Its easily overlooked that NP win ratio wasn't actually very high and he only keep us up by the skin of his teeth, the mistake there was not to allow him to develop what he started. Lets not be guilty of starting that cycle all over again (unless Lowe gets bought out and we start again with billions in the bank - not bloody likely).

[OldNick]

I would have liked BD here before Jan. We have now made the decision to go with the youth, something that financially is correct. NP I hae respect for but dont see him as anything special. People will of course point to Leicesters results but they like Pompey had MM's millions behind them and so have not had to sell their players. They have a very good squad that should have easily stayed up,. NP has got disipline into the side and they will get promotion unless they start to falter like most clubs do in the second half of the season when leading for so long.

I think we have a road chosen and we will keep to it, perhaps having a change of manager but the same players in the main.

[PokingFun]

I really don't get people's logic when they say "what difference will a new manager make??".

 

If that's the case, why have managers at all if they don't influence anything???

 

It's the same perverse logic about changing the CEO/Chairman, as if there is nothing that anyone else could do!!!!

 

Mind boggling.

 

That's not to say that a different manager would definitely achieve better results, they could of course make things worse, but to suggest that the dice have been rolled and our fate is determined, is ridiculous.

 

The logic is that getting a new manager per se does not make the difference it is actually the quality of the new manager that counts. E.g. Redknapp at Spurs when he can be arsed.

 

There is much statistical evidence that suggests the overall effect is neutral and that on average a team does as well as it did before without an influx of better quality players. I guess this is where a good manager earns his corn in identifying better quality than a side already has while operating within the financial constraints he is placed under.

 

Personally, I think Poortvliet is out of his depth and certainly does not have the contacts in the English game to bring in anyone of the desired quality to get us out of this mess!

[PokingFun]

This is by the far the stupidest thread I have ever read on this forum. Davies is a hoofer, you need hoofers and big guys for that. We have a bunch of kids playing good football on the ground but would be totally useless if they started hoof the long ball. Can't believe the impatience people are showing in the team. We are just a striker and a central defender from being a really good CCC side.

 

I am not sure that I agree with you here.

 

Billy Davies had a big target man up front and it is fair to say that they played fairly direct football, but they also had a couple of wingers with pace (Barnes & Teale (?)) who could get behind teams and deliver quality into the box. Added to that was some steel through the spine of the side with Oakley pulling strings in the middle of the park who on his day was a quality CCC player. They played football when needed and knew when to go direct. he built his foundation on being solid, not conceding and making the most of the team's strengths. That is very good management even if you don't like the style of football.

 

For all our nice neat approach play in the first two thirds of the pitch, we are woeful in the last third and do not get behind teams, on the rare occasions we do then the final ball is poor and when the final ball is good we cannot find the net as we have no clinical strikers.

 

Steve Howard might have been a big lump but I am sure he still knew where the net was and knew how to hold the ball up to bring others into the game. Thats not hoofball!!

 

The reason everyone at St Marys thinks Derby played hoofball is probably because Billy Davies said to his team 'these lot have a soft centre when dealing with a direct ball down the middle' and asked his team to play accordingly. Thats good tactics, not hoofball!!

[Wes Tender]

Surely the question isn't JP, Billy Davies or Nigel Pearson. A more pressing issue is stability or change.

 

I was against Pearson being removed (I'm with Berkhamstead 80% - but Pearson was clearly pushed), but equally I'm against the removal of JP. We've chosen a course and to have to follow it for more than 5 months to have any chance of success in the long term.

 

We all knew that the best we could hope this season was to tread water and stay out of administration. Achieve 50 points, which we seem capable of (Jan transfer window depending) and we then look for gradual year on year growth, both on the pitch and on the balance sheets.

 

Davies is an arse and I'm prepared to chance it slightly, rather than welcome Davies' ultra aggressive version of the game, not that I think any degree of success is guaranteed under his stewardship. Its easily overlooked that NP win ratio wasn't actually very high and he only keep us up by the skin of his teeth, the mistake there was not to allow him to develop what he started. Lets not be guilty of starting that cycle all over again (unless Lowe gets bought out and we start again with billions in the bank - not bloody likely).

 

At least you're consistent in wanting stability, but that is what we could have had with giving Pearson a chance.

 

But the massive upheaval was introduced by Lowe, who not only changed the manager for somebody untried in this country, let alone at this level, but who also changed most of the team as well as the style of play too.

 

So much for stability. But because the bizarre experiment was purely down to Lowe and nobody else, if he were an honourable man, he would fall on his sword if it fails, as much as he could take the plaudits if it succeeds. Just don't be a bloody hypocrite, Lowe, and tell us that Poortvliet deserves more time, when you have already given him more time than most other managers during your decade in charge.

 

And if somebody did replace Lowe and got rid of Poortvliet, then Lowe couldn't bleat about it, as he had not the slightest compunction in replacing Pearson, on the face of it purely out of spite because Crouch had appointed him. If anybody has any evidence to the contrary, let them provide it now, of forever hold their peace.

[cadiz saint]

Dream on, with no money, get used to what you've got!

[Cabrone]

Changing managers will not improve anything while Lowe is making the decisions I'm afraid.

 

You want to kill the snake? Remove its head.

[solentstars]

I think your putting us down to much. Billy Davies isn't that great.

i agree and their have been plenty of premiership jobs since he was sacked by derby available ,and he has been overlooked by all those clubs who do not even mention his name.

i do not understand why people make him out to be some great manager.

[solentstars]

I would have wanted Davies after Burley went, but would have been quite content to have retained Pearson's services at the end of last season, but once Lowe had partaken of the magic mushrooms, he wasn't an option.

 

Read Once Bitterne's comments as to why Davies would not be available to us, because he's spot on IMO

i,ve read his post and even if we could aford him i would still have kept pearson ,who i think will be miles better than davies.

[sir_fred]

Says Mr 3 posts PR plant. Look at one of threads above, Wolves have an average age of 23, not much above ours but they have VERY GOOD young players. We have one or two that are good for this level - Surman and I think Lallana will be the pick of the bunch - and a few that will be much longer term bets - Mills, Gobern, Racine. The rest like Lancashire are very average and look at McGoldrick - 21 and couldn't score in almost 20 loan appearances in League 1 next season!

 

Average young players will only ever make average experienced players with limited re-sell value, can people not understand that? We'd be better off if we can't afford decent loan signings trying to find a bargain in the Dutch markets and use JP and Wotte's knowledge to see if a Ferry Bodde turns up. After all, Dutch players tend to fit quite well historically into English football.

 

Wolves kids have been able to play together for a while. If we could that once it would be great...But as soon as we are losing two games in a row, more than 50% calls for the manager's head. We are on the right track and I do hope Rupert have the gut to stand by his own decision.