saintwarwick Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 He has done it with Gray and Wigley so don`t rule it out with. Also with Jones, Hoddle, Strachan...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 The sacking of Pearson will go down as Lowe's most stupid decision yet IMO. I'm afraid your correct, a crass decision made purely on a short term financial basis. Iv'e said it before you need to speculate to accumulate (points that is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Brilliant, another short term, short sighted solution by a bloke who doesn't even go! What is the ****ing point of going through the same routine of appointing a manager who will last 2-3 years before the same people start whining? We've got an opportunity to build something that will be great in the long term, if it means ****ty results and possible relegation, so be it. The long term future of the club is far more important than short term gain and then the same old routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Pearson wasn't sacked, his contract was up at the end of last season. HTH It's called constructive dimissal, you refuse to agree his terms he has no choice but to leave "fait a complis" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Brilliant, another short term, short sighted solution by a bloke who doesn't even go! What is the ****ing point of going through the same routine of appointing a manager who will last 2-3 years before the same people start whining? We've got an opportunity to build something that will be great in the long term, if it means ****ty results and possible relegation, so be it. The long term future of the club is far more important than short term gain and then the same old routine. So relegation is good for the long term future of our club ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 It's called constructive dimissal, you refuse to agree his terms he has no choice but to leave "fait a complis" It isn't. His contract was up. He/We wouldn't/couldn't agree a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 So relegation is good for the long term future of our club ????? We haven't actually been relegated yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Just shows what it has come to in football if Alex Ferguson took over at Manchester United today he would not have been given the chance to achieve what he has at United it took him 3 1/2 years to achieve anything. Who was our last manager to last more than 3 years, we are in the poo we are in because we have changed managers like the weather. Billy Davis is not the man we need, hoof and run, rough and tumble players, where is the money going to come from to bring the players in that fit his style of play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We haven't actually been relegated yet. I haven't heard that one before.........oh yeah sorry, 2005 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Just shows what it has come to in football if Alex Ferguson took over at Manchester United today he would not have been given the chance to achieve what he has at United it took him 3 1/2 years to achieve anything. Who was our last manager to last more than 3 years, we are in the poo we are in because we have changed managers like the weather. Billy Davis is not the man we need, hoof and run, rough and tumble players, where is the money going to come from to bring the players in that fit his style of play? you talking sense,it seems no one else wants davies in the top 2 divisions except his small fan club on here,i wonder why ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Brilliant, another short term, short sighted solution by a bloke who doesn't even go! What is the ****ing point of going through the same routine of appointing a manager who will last 2-3 years before the same people start whining? We've got an opportunity to build something that will be great in the long term, if it means ****ty results and possible relegation, so be it. The long term future of the club is far more important than short term gain and then the same old routine. We can go down and rebuild How are we now rebuilding for the future more than we ever have. This is trotted out but it means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We haven't actually been relegated yet.you got to remember ,they are a bit slow at maths:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 not knee jerk.....my honest opinion.. JAN OUT You were probably slagging BD off two years ago when we were playing Derby, everyone on here was. He isn't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 You were probably slagging BD off two years ago when we were playing Derby, everyone on here was. He isn't the answer. is that your defence...we might have been slagging davies of in the playoffs... brilliant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Davies would be a f*ck site better than this clown we've currently got. Jan is a nice guy but utterly utterly clueless. Good call TDD but it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Can't believe we've lost an away game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 You were probably slagging BD off two years ago when we were playing Derby, everyone on here was. He isn't the answer. We all slag Ronaldo off (obviously because he's an annoying and cheating c*nt if you're not a Man U fan) therefore you would presumably stick with Bradley Sh*te Phillips if we had an option on Ronaldo? Ronaldo obviously being ruled out because we've all slagged him off in the past. Good logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 We all slag Ronaldo off (obviously because he's an annoying and cheating c*nt if you're not a Man U fan) therefore you would presumably stick with Bradley Sh*te Phillips if we had an option on Ronaldo? Ronaldo obviously being ruled out because we've all slagged him off in the past. Good logic. these are the saints fans these days that love the CCC and the brilliant football we are playing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Would rather lump it and win than pass it and lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Must say I disagree. My truly honest opinion is that I'd rather play the way are playing now in a system that is best suited for younger players then bring in a manager, and I use that term very loosely, who lumps it up to a big man route 1 whilst kicking the oppositon to pieces. Many people say that money is ruining football but I believe it the lack of quality passing football and the increasing amount of route 1 that will be english footballs downfall. Many forget that we are actually 4 POINTS away from relegation, with the bottom 3 arguably playing worse then our own squad. A couple of weeks ago it was all doom and gloom at watford but they ain't looking too bad now. IMHO I would rather we play football in the purist sense then Davies football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 4 points isn't much. Still, let's go down playing nice tippy tappy yet completely ineffective football. We can feel so proud when we're playing Salisbury in the conference that we're doing things in the right way. Good logic. Well done Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Would be great but we can't afford him. What ever we offered him would be better than JSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Would rather lump it and win than pass it and lose Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 The recent appointment of Dean Gorre suggests to me that Rupert has not the slightest intention of replacing Jan Poortvleit - a new manager would probably want his own backroom staff and cancelling contracts only just signed would be an expensive and wasteful business . Whether Poortvliet will walk at some stage is an entirely different question . On the broader point it suites the Chairman not having a strong manager/coach (WGS was a long time ago) . Were RL in the market for a established Billy Davies type manager then surly he had only to retain Nigel Pearson's services , if he had we'd be safely mid-table now - all just my opinion of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Lowe has experimented with this club too often, hoping to find that undiscovered starlet to push to team back to former heights. But he's failed...each decision he has taken has further reduced our options.. instead of becoming stronger, more stable he has made us weaker, unstable and downright inept. Because of his "experiments" we are spiralling towards who knows what... Other clubs like Watford and Charlton are in danger of doing the same. The difference being that they dont have "a Lowe" who will continue his own game of FM07/08/09 until the club is in tatters. The only reason that so many posters refuse to believe our fate is because no other club will have ever experienced it ... this club is dying... and the ineptitute of a few executives ...and their stubborn refusal to do the right thing and GO..is the cause! In years to come other clubs will look back at how Southampton Football Club was RUN not MANAGED and state "That is how not to do it." Many dont want to believe it but they know they ought to. The result... yet more change...and none of it purposeful or productive. I repeat the club is dying and we are all relatives sitting at the bedside administering the last rites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Lowe has experimented with this club too often, hoping to find that undiscovered starlet to push to team back to former heights. But he's failed...each decision he has taken has further reduced our options.. instead of becoming stronger, more stable he has made us weaker, unstable and downright inept. Because of his "experiments" we are spiralling towards who knows what... Other clubs like Watford and Charlton are in danger of doing the same. The difference being that they dont have "a Lowe" who will continue his own game of FM07/08/09 until the club is in tatters. The only reason that so many posters refuse to believe our fate is because no other club will have ever experienced it ... this club is dying... and the ineptitute of a few executives ...and their stubborn refusal to do the right thing and GO..is the cause! In years to come other clubs will look back at how Southampton Football Club was RUN not MANAGED and state "That is how not to do it." Many dont want to believe it but they know they ought to. The result... yet more change...and none of it purposeful or productive. I repeat the club is dying and we are all relatives sitting at the bedside administering the last rites. I'd love to know the motivation of those in denial. Is it a physiological disorder, is it simply that they are so insecure that the attendance bragging rights gives them some attention or is it that they are all Billy-No-Mates/borderline alkies where getting piissed with "mates" gives them some sense of personal fulfillment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 If Jan goes, we will appoint from within. It'll be Wotte or Gorre next.. Read Wigley and Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 lets see what happens after the forest game, a home win could galvanise our season, give it more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 **** it lets save sh1t loads axe entire coaching staff as the boardroom has ideal new manager who has plenty of experiance Rupert Lowe he can run club as total dictatorship Ron Nodes ( ex palace chairman ) did job of owner/ chairman/ manager of Brentford about 10 years ago so why not Rupert ( yes am takin the p155 but who would be that shocked if it happened here??? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 lets see what happens after the forest game, a home win could galvanise our season, give it more time. "give it more time..." how much more?? Sounding more and more like the Titanic each day. And then we shall say "Why didnt somebody do something?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Billy Davies will probably end up at Charlton or Forest.Whereupon we will see his new team slowly climb the league table. Perhaps he is not ideally suited to Saints,but the above just stands out as an inevitable outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Last year we avoided relegation on the last day. Pearson didnt want to stay as he wanted a transfer budget which we didnt have. Jan has largely taken over the reserve/youth side of last season and we are doing do worse than last season. Bearing in mind nobody thought we had a chance at the start of the season I think he is doing a good job. A new manager now with all the change it would bring is likely to bring relegation. Its interesting the number of posters who have talked of rebuilding and yet as soon as we start that process a number of people on here dont wont to give him anytime. Success this season will be raising some more money by selling a couple of players and getting rid of the high earners and staying up which we are on course to do bearing in mind the youngsters will only get better as the season progresses. To not stick with Jan would be a huge mistake. Finally appointing Billy Davies is the one thing that might persuade me not to renew my Season Ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 We all slag Ronaldo off (obviously because he's an annoying and cheating c*nt if you're not a Man U fan) therefore you would presumably stick with Bradley Sh*te Phillips if we had an option on Ronaldo? Ronaldo obviously being ruled out because we've all slagged him off in the past. Good logic. I think BD was slagged by just about everyone on this board when Pearson was appointed. I seem to remember him being described as short-arsed,arrogant, scottish c*** whose teams play hoofball. Many voiced the opinion that they would rather poke their eyes out than watch that sort of football. That was after he left as manager of Derby. We knew at the start of the season, it was going to be tough and be a relegation battle & guess what, we're exactly where we thought we'd be. Everyone is quick to moan about Lowe appointing managers, changing too quickly but you're happy to do the same with JP. Give the guy some time, some resources would help, he's had 6 months with one arm tied behind his back given the squad he's got. And its sounds like the players actually want to be here despite the no doubt meagre wages (relative to other clubs) that we're paying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 I think BD was slagged by just about everyone on this board when Pearson was appointed. I seem to remember him being described as short-arsed,arrogant, scottish c*** whose teams play hoofball. Many voiced the opinion that they would rather poke their eyes out than watch that sort of football. That was after he left as manager of Derby. . the football snobbery demonstrated on here at times is oon the fringes of lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Jeez. I must be the only fan left who'd prefer to keep Jan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 the football snobbery demonstrated on here at times is oon the fringes of lunacy Delldays, results are important but so is the way we play. If I look back at games I remember as classics then many of them we lost (Saints 2 Liverpool 3 from 1981) If BD is that good a manager then why has he been out of work as a manager since parting company with Derby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Jeez. I must be the only fan left who'd prefer to keep Jan! He needs more time. 6 months with the youth squad & some loan signings is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Delldays, results are important but so is the way we play. If I look back at games I remember as classics then many of them we lost (Saints 2 Liverpool 3 from 1981) If BD is that good a manager then why has he been out of work as a manager since parting company with Derby? which is all the better for us...we wont have to pay his old club off..he wont want as much money (probably)... we are not in the 80's anymore...we dont have le tiss.. we simply have to win to litterally survive now...more than ever and having a clueless manager with no experience of english football what so ever is not helping the cause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 He needs more time. 6 months with the youth squad & some loan signings is not enough. another one.. warnock was given the davies treatment when talked about possible candidates... he took over from palace, out in YOUNGER players than we have and almost just as many and got them to the playoffs...why is that? look when we played them...the best young player on the park was a palace player and they had kuqi...i wonder how many would love him here.... yet they brushed us aside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Last year we avoided relegation on the last day. Pearson didnt want to stay as he wanted a transfer budget which we didnt have. This is a bold statement , any evidence to back it up or are we just airing opinions here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Would rather lump it and win than pass it and lose Yes, everyone loved it when Branfoot was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Jeez. I must be the only fan left who'd prefer to keep Jan! You are not on your own - some of us appreciate watching football played the right way. The results will come (I hope)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 You are not on your own - some of us appreciate watching football played the right way. The results will come (I hope)... what is the right way then? defending and scoring is also part of the deal which so many seem to forget for some reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Pearson wasn't sacked, his contract was up at the end of last season. HTH His contract was not up at the end of last season. There was a break clause that could be invoked by either side, a subtle, but very distinct difference. Lowe took a conscious decision to activate it, effectively sacking Pearson. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 not knee jerk.....my honest opinion.. JAN OUT I agree Jan Out (along with his Director of Totally Crap Football Lowe). But, what would Billy Davies give us? He's a manager who needs old big CCC style players who he can get to bully the opposition off the park. Davies would need a completely new team to have an impact... now if you're suggesting a completely new team and Billy D then you have a point IMHO. But, I would prefer the takeover and Shearer personally... VERY SOON ... he needs to buy about 6 players in Jan to keep us up then build upon that next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 There's some serious rewriting of history on this thread, or people are just making things up to to suit their position!!!!! It isn't. His contract was up. He/We wouldn't/couldn't agree a new one. His contract was not up, Lowe chose to invoke the break clause. Getting rid of Pearson was a conscious decision by Lowe, in order that he could bring in this "revolutionary coaching set up". Many people were aware of the decision to change the manager well before Lowe & co got their feet under the table. It's a distinction that some people choose to ignore for some strange reason. Pearson didnt want to stay as he wanted a transfer budget which we didnt have. Complete rubbish. Pearson was acutely aware of our situation and made it clear to Lowe that he was happy to work within the constraints before he went to Malta on holiday. Pearson was a dead man walking the minute Wilde joined forces with Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 shut up you fecking tw*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 what is the right way then? defending and scoring is also part of the deal which so many seem to forget for some reason... I'm pretty sure that given the chance, JP would want some more experience at the back & up front to help the youngsters - but he doesn't have that choice. That said, he have brought in a number of loans that have baffled me and others that have dissappointed. Bring in BD and we'll try and play a more physical game. But how is that going to succeed if the players can't play that way (demonstrated against Palace & Burnley). We could feed them a bit more & hope they grow??!! New tactic, 3 shredded wheat every morning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 It isn't. His contract was up. He/We wouldn't/couldn't agree a new one. More like - His contract was up and Rupert didn't want a Leon Crouch appointee anywhere near the club . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2008 I'm pretty sure that given the chance, JP would want some more experience at the back & up front to help the youngsters - but he doesn't have that choice. That said, he have brought in a number of loans that have baffled me and others that have dissappointed. Bring in BD and we'll try and play a more physical game. But how is that going to succeed if the players can't play that way (demonstrated against Palace & Burnley). We could feed them a bit more & hope they grow??!! New tactic, 3 shredded wheat every morning.... did you know the average age of the wolves team..? 23. i wonder what ours was yesterday..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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