Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I thought it was one of those that you're ****ed off if they're given against you but are convinced its a stonewall for you. MOTD didn't dwell on it, so maybe neutrals would be 50/50. Interesting piece from Poll in the Mail online today. He claims refs have realised they get more stick for giving something that's wrong, than they do if they miss something, however obvious. He thinks they maybe turning a blind eye as a result. Evidently Baldy Webb has yet to give a peno or red card all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I thought it was one of those that you're ****ed off if they're given against you but are convinced its a stonewall for you. MOTD didn't dwell on it, so maybe neutrals would be 50/50. Interesting piece from Poll in the Mail online today. He claims refs have realised they get more stick for giving something that's wrong, than they do if they miss something, however obvious. He thinks they maybe turning a blind eye as a result. Evidently Baldy Webb has yet to give a peno or red card all season. Not at all, it was similar to the one we had given against us at Newcastle last season. Maybe people the don't have a clue think its not one if it goes against you but that was and so was yesterday's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 No denying that the standards of the officials seem to be awful this season Almost every week there is an utter howler from the man in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 (edited) The one at Newcastle was, in my opinion very harsh...but I accepted it. Particularly as hands away from body and not protecting his face. The MOTD commentators stated a penalty for the same reasons...although stating harsh...some given and some not.. Yesterday....clear penalty and no one gives a shiiiite....if it had been Arsenal , Chelsea , Manutd/City etc ...hell to play...... But then again..Clattenberg , Webb etc would have given it against us.... I am going to write to my MP.. Told the Missus how angry I was......All she could say was...Explain that off-side rule to me one more time...... and can you exchange that bloooooody Saints jumper you gave me for xmas. Soooooo angry:( PS..The jumper I gave her..was a nice GKs..with the number one thereon.....ungrateful soddd:mcinnes: Edited 30 December, 2013 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 ... and can you exchange that bloooooody Saints jumper you gave me for xmas. Soooooo angry:( PS..The jumper I gave her..was a nice GKs..with the number one thereon.....ungrateful soddd:mcinnes: Well what can you expect, now if you'd have got her a jumper with number 31 on it she'd have known it was the real deal. Women do not like to be associated with second (or is it 3rd or 4th) best. Probably reminds her that she could have married a NASA scientist or a prominent artist if she'd played her cards right :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Well what can you expect, now if you'd have got her a jumper with number 31 on it she'd have known it was the real deal. Women do not like to be associated with second (or is it 3rd or 4th) best. Probably reminds her that she could have married a NASA scientist or a prominent artist if she'd played her cards right :uhoh: I would swap her for your crayons:D I would have even more fun:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I would swap her for your crayons:D I would have even more fun:p I don't have any crayons, now if i could only remember what Jude swapped Arabella for I might offer you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I don't have any crayons, now if i could only remember what Jude swapped Arabella for I might offer you that. Did Jude work for that NASA firm on the moon film in the desert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Did Jude work for that NASA firm on the moon film in the desert? well no, i think he was pig farmer turned monumental mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 well no, i think he was pig farmer turned monumental mason. Just to get back on track and we don'T get told off by the mods:rolleyes: Could you explain re Arabella:) Is he a French striker who could play up front for the mighty Saints or even in goals until Artur the great returns:? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Just to get back on track and we don'T get told off by the mods:rolleyes: Could you explain re Arabella:) Is he a French striker who could play up front for the mighty Saints or even in goals until Artur the great returns:? Ottery, I'd expect a man of your region to have greater knowledge of such things. Arabella is the wife Jude the Obscure trades at a local fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Ottery, I'd expect a man of your region to have greater knowledge of such things. Arabella is the wife Jude the Obscure trades at a local fair. Behave Windows.....you are trying to get me into trouble with the mods:p I even know which team Jude and Arabella play for:smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Have I woken up in another dimension, or has being stuck indoors thanks to the weather just sent folks a little mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Have I woken up in another dimension, or has being stuck indoors thanks to the weather just sent folks a little mental? Welcome to 2022! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Ottery, I'd expect a man of your region to have greater knowledge of such things. Arabella is the wife Jude the Obscure trades at a local fair. I think you're confusing Jude the Obscure with the Mayor of Casterbridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I think you're confusing Jude the Obscure with the Mayor of Casterbridge. I think I am yes, Arabella went off to Australia now that I think on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 After his Everton comments it seems Mauricio is in denial about our true abilities and level. It is becoming a regular theme of his now that we were much better than the scoreline suggests and unlucky to lose due to bad refereeing. When manager resort to this kind of hyperbole it is usually a tell-tale sign that they are beginning to feel the pressure on their necks. I like the guy. He doesn't need to start making these run of the mill excuses. If he will only accept our limitations and the fact that we are heading for a mid-table finish, that we'll win some, draw some and lose some in roughly equal proportions along the way - which is what mid-table teams do - he and we will have a much better relationship as I for one do not want to see him become a whinger like half of the other managers in the PL. A top four finish even if an exciting possibility at the start of the season, is now a long forgotten memory for most; if Cortese still has such ambitions for this year than Mauricio needs to man up and tell him square "It ain't gonna happen with this squad". Honesty may cost him his job but who really wins if he fudges reality in a futile attempt to stave off criticism of his own performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 After his Everton comments it seems Mauricio is in denial about our true abilities and level. It is becoming a regular theme of his now that we were much better than the scoreline suggests and unlucky to lose due to bad refereeing. When manager resort to this kind of hyperbole it is usually a tell-tale sign that they are beginning to feel the pressure on their necks. I like the guy. He doesn't need to start making these run of the mill excuses. If he will only accept our limitations and the fact that we are heading for a mid-table finish, that we'll win some, draw some and lose some in roughly equal proportions along the way - which is what mid-table teams do - he and we will have a much better relationship as I for one do not want to see him become a whinger like half of the other managers in the PL. A top four finish even if an exciting possibility at the start of the season, is now a long forgotten memory for most; if Cortese still has such ambitions for this year than Mauricio needs to man up and tell him square "It ain't gonna happen with this squad". Honesty may cost him his job but who really wins if he fudges reality in a futile attempt to stave off criticism of his own performance. We were much better than the scoreline suggests, unfortunately our weakest elements weren't. The results of a team always come down to the level of it's weakest elements, it's as regular as gravity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 We are still on the up. Looks like we will finish around 8th to 10th this season. We know that the squad is not strong enough to go any higher, and we have a group of young players that can only get better with more to come. Sensible strengthening in the summer and we can push on next season. There is an ethos about the club that is superb and we only need to compare where we were three seasons ago. Enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 IMO we lost the game because Steven Davis yet again strolled back, allowed Osman to run past him, didn't bother tracking him, JWP saw the danger too late, Osman took the pass and put in Lukaku. Davis did the same thing against Spurs for the second goal. He might be a decent passer and link man but he is an open door as far as closing down is concerned. Once Cork was off Davis and JWP had to close off the runners especially after we equalised. It only took three minutes to open us up. Ramirez for Davis against Chelsea for me with Cork and Schneiderlin holding the middle. Ramirez would give us far more up front than Davis as he now appears to be finding some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 IMO we lost the game because Steven Davis yet again strolled back, allowed Osman to run past him, didn't bother tracking him, JWP saw the danger too late, Osman took the pass and put in Lukaku. Davis did the same thing against Spurs for the second goal. He might be a decent passer and link man but he is an open door as far as closing down is concerned. Once Cork was off Davis and JWP had to close off the runners especially after we equalised. It only took three minutes to open us up. Ramirez for Davis against Chelsea for me with Cork and Schneiderlin holding the middle. Ramirez would give us far more up front than Davis as he now appears to be finding some form. neither Davis nor Ward Prowse are suited to the DM role so when Cork went off we had absolutely nobody to do it. Now me, I'd have put Yoshida on and moved Lovren forward a notch but then that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 IMO we lost the game because Steven Davis yet again strolled back, allowed Osman to run past him, didn't bother tracking him, JWP saw the danger too late, Osman took the pass and put in Lukaku. Davis did the same thing against Spurs for the second goal. He might be a decent passer and link man but he is an open door as far as closing down is concerned. Once Cork was off Davis and JWP had to close off the runners especially after we equalised. It only took three minutes to open us up. Ramirez for Davis against Chelsea for me with Cork and Schneiderlin holding the middle. Ramirez would give us far more up front than Davis as he now appears to be finding some form. PEDANT ALERT Osman wasn't even on the pitch, having been subbed 2 minutes earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 PEDANT ALERT Osman wasn't even on the pitch, having been subbed 2 minutes earlier. It makes no difference who the player was Davis didn't pick him up. I think the commentator said Osman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 PS..The jumper I gave her..was a nice GKs..with the number one thereon.....ungrateful soddd:mcinnes: I'll have it! Put it to its proper use too! As long as it's not Small: that's why I'm in goal... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Behave Windows.....you are trying to get me into trouble with the mods:p I even know which team Jude and Arabella play for:smug: Dorchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 neither Davis nor Ward Prowse are suited to the DM role so when Cork went off we had absolutely nobody to do it. Now me, I'd have put Yoshida on and moved Lovren forward a notch but then that's just my opinion. Not a bad shout, either in front of CBs would have probably shut that run off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 After his Everton comments it seems Mauricio is in denial about our true abilities and level. It is becoming a regular theme of his now that we were much better than the scoreline suggests and unlucky to lose due to bad refereeing. When manager resort to this kind of hyperbole it is usually a tell-tale sign that they are beginning to feel the pressure on their necks. I like the guy. He doesn't need to start making these run of the mill excuses. If he will only accept our limitations and the fact that we are heading for a mid-table finish, that we'll win some, draw some and lose some in roughly equal proportions along the way - which is what mid-table teams do - he and we will have a much better relationship as I for one do not want to see him become a whinger like half of the other managers in the PL. A top four finish even if an exciting possibility at the start of the season, is now a long forgotten memory for most; if Cortese still has such ambitions for this year than Mauricio needs to man up and tell him square "It ain't gonna happen with this squad". Honesty may cost him his job but who really wins if he fudges reality in a futile attempt to stave off criticism of his own performance. Yes I think you are right today you need twenty or so top class players which unfortunately we do not have it is a shame that money spent on some of the more expensive signings has not paid off and that we got to the PL too quickly and have players like Hooieveld Fox Lee Barnard Sharp still on the books and maybe Forte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Anyway, back to the football. Seeing that gif makes you realise why lallana was going on at the ref and the gestures he made. Now, I can understand guys protecting their undercarriage (apparently pain is involved) and even their face, but the hand is up, close to the head on what I reckon the player thought was his blind side from the ref, with the hand fully open and nowhere near protecting his face. I hope the ref is embarassed when he sees the video, and I hope the refs' assessor has seen it too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Anyway, back to the football. Seeing that gif makes you realise why lallana was going on at the ref and the gestures he made. Now, I can understand guys protecting their undercarriage (apparently pain is involved) and even their face, but the hand is up, close to the head on what I reckon the player thought was his blind side from the ref, with the hand fully open and nowhere near protecting his face. I hope the ref is embarassed when he sees the video, and I hope the refs' assessor has seen it too.. clattenburg wont give a toss,and we will never know what the assessor thinks. that **** clattenburg will do the same next week and the week after,he is such a poor ref,he made many other poor decisions yesterday,for both sides,but it did seem that most went against saints.to have booked cork and to let barkley and osviedo off their challenges,also distin for his hands on lallana,unreal but that's clattenburg also if you saw Chelsea yesterday,webb was just as bad,and he's meant to be the best we've got. we will all just have to get on with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Anyway, back to the football. Seeing that gif makes you realise why lallana was going on at the ref and the gestures he made. Now, I can understand guys protecting their undercarriage (apparently pain is involved) and even their face, but the hand is up, close to the head on what I reckon the player thought was his blind side from the ref, with the hand fully open and nowhere near protecting his face. I hope the ref is embarassed when he sees the video, and I hope the refs' assessor has seen it too.. I doubt Clattenberg would have seen the deliberate movement of the arm towards the ball, hence the benefit of the doubt to the defender. We did not lose becoz of that incident.. we do not create enough in the final third to win games against the top six sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 I doubt Clattenberg would have seen the deliberate movement of the arm towards the ball, hence the benefit of the doubt to the defender. We did not lose becoz of that incident.. we do not create enough in the final third to win games against the top six sides But we beat Liverpool away???? And a point at OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 Dorchester? Jude and Arabella play for Doncaster Belles........you knew that Sue:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 30 December, 2013 Share Posted 30 December, 2013 IMO we lost the game because Steven Davis yet again strolled back, allowed Osman to run past him, didn't bother tracking him, JWP saw the danger too late, Osman took the pass and put in Lukaku. Davis did the same thing against Spurs for the second goal. He might be a decent passer and link man but he is an open door as far as closing down is concerned. Once Cork was off Davis and JWP had to close off the runners especially after we equalised. It only took three minutes to open us up. Ramirez for Davis against Chelsea for me with Cork and Schneiderlin holding the middle. Ramirez would give us far more up front than Davis as he now appears to be finding some form. Derry - having watched the full game twice on TV, live and in replay I would hold JWP primarily responsible for both goals with Luke sharing a little of the blame for the first. While Davis' role was more difficult once Cork was replaced he tracked back several times including a block on Lukaku where he covered for both JWP and Luke. I feel JWP should be making way for Morgan, not SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 After his Everton comments it seems Mauricio is in denial about our true abilities and level. It is becoming a regular theme of his now that we were much better than the scoreline suggests and unlucky to lose due to bad refereeing. When manager resort to this kind of hyperbole it is usually a tell-tale sign that they are beginning to feel the pressure on their necks. I like the guy. He doesn't need to start making these run of the mill excuses. If he will only accept our limitations and the fact that we are heading for a mid-table finish, that we'll win some, draw some and lose some in roughly equal proportions along the way - which is what mid-table teams do - he and we will have a much better relationship as I for one do not want to see him become a whinger like half of the other managers in the PL. A top four finish even if an exciting possibility at the start of the season, is now a long forgotten memory for most; if Cortese still has such ambitions for this year than Mauricio needs to man up and tell him square "It ain't gonna happen with this squad". Honesty may cost him his job but who really wins if he fudges reality in a futile attempt to stave off criticism of his own performance. Tbh I don't always agree with your opinions but I think you hit the nail on the head with this post. However I think and hope that he says one thing to the press and another in the changing room. It annoys me none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 But we beat Liverpool away???? And a point at OT and if you remember Liverpool had a cast iron penalty shout turned down I think. Now we'd say, nah silly sod fell over our lads feet (think it was José or Shaw) but really when you look at it in slow motion Sturridge was brought down in the box for sure. Swarbrick didn't give it and he should have. We gained at least 2 points from that and we lost one on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Derry - having watched the full game twice on TV, live and in replay I would hold JWP primarily responsible for both goals with Luke sharing a little of the blame for the first. While Davis' role was more difficult once Cork was replaced he tracked back several times including a block on Lukaku where he covered for both JWP and Luke. I feel JWP should be making way for Morgan, not SD. So if Lallana played at DM and had a poor game would you be saying the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 . I feel JWP should be making way for Morgan, not SD. and so he will be, it's what happens of late. Now if SD makes way for anyone it would be Gaston but I can't really see that happening from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Ottery, I'd expect a man of your region to have greater knowledge of such things. Arabella is the wife Jude the Obscure trades at a local fair. So, Arabelle the Obscure. It follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Jude and Arabella play for Doncaster Belles........you knew that Sue:D Sorry, I meant "Casterbridge"... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 So, Arabelle the Obscure. It follows. Arabella(Donn) Fawley, a strumpet of the first order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Sorry, I meant "Casterbridge"... :-) I am saving GKs number one ...unwanted xmas present....for Ben Foster when he turns up:) If he fails to make the move......you will be second choice...or is that third choice. But you will also be sub GK:D Arabella or is it Arabelle.....and Jude now play for Chelsea ladies......very posh ladies. PS Bring back Sue Buckett in Goals from Saints ladies in the 70s...and Sue Lopez up front;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 I am saving GKs number one ...unwanted xmas present....for Ben Foster when he turns up:) If he fails to make the move......you will be second choice...or is that third choice. But you will also be sub GK:D Arabella or is it Arabelle.....and Jude now play for Chelsea ladies......very posh ladies. typical Chelsea, having a bloke in their ladies team, anything is fair for them to gain an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 typical Chelsea, having a bloke in their ladies team, anything is fair for them to gain an advantage. Now you know why Chelsea ladies are doing so well of late:) AND how I left school at a very early age with no certificates:p Sue mentioned Casterbridge? Is it in the New Forest:mcinnes: Saints to beat Chelsea 3-2......just so we don@t get told off:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 (edited) Now you know why Chelsea ladies are doing so well of late:) AND how I left school at a very early age with no certificates:p Sue mentioned Casterbridge? Is it in the New Forest:mcinnes: Saints to beat Chelsea 3-2......just so we don@t get told off:) Casterbridge Utd would be Dorchester Utd (who may or may be playing Saints in the FA Cup at some this next century) if Thomas Hardy wrote football related stories. And MLT came from one of the Lyonesse Islands. Edited 31 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 My take on Sunday:http://theevertonecho.co.uk/2-1-a-saints-view:http://theevertonecho.co.uk/2-1-a-saints-view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Casterbridge Utd would be Dorchester Utd (who may or may be playing Saints in the FA Cup at some this next century) if Thomas Hardy wrote football related stories. And MLT came from one of the Lyonesse Islands. Did you go to school with this Hardy chap? Thought I heard you had trials with him... at Saints back in the day..... We had a talented lad round here called Coleridge.....a friend of Wordsworth:) Maybe they went to school or played footer with you as well... Probably Rugger sorts... Saints definitely to beat Chelski 3-2......COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2013 Share Posted 31 December, 2013 Did you go to school with this Hardy chap? I did not, lived in the same village for a while though, I mean at different times of course and you had to be a bit au fait to explain stuff quickly to the grockels so that they'd pisces off out of our local pub. If you sent them off to Bull Barrow or Edgdon Heath (anywhere you liked doesn't actually exist per se) they'd leave you in peace for a while. Incredible was the number of Yank researchers and students that came to Sturminster Newton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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