mackay sacked

[Glasgow_Saint]

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[Saint Benali]

And some people think Cortese is a nutter....

[The Kraken]

Good outcome all round. Hope they go down now.

[stevegrant]

While all the off-pitch nonsense has been an absolute shambles, he's not been helped by his players. They were absolute dog**** for the vast majority of yesterday's game. No fight in any of them.

[Leicestersaint]

Thank goodness this happened after we played them and not before!

[ratio_decidendi]

I'm not sure how this is Saints related, but what it's worth the news isn't too surprising judged on the untenable relationship between Mackay and Vincent Tan.

 

Is it possible to characterise Malkay as the embodiment of the traditional values of Cardiff City, but a manager who simply didn't possess sufficient quality to make it in the Premier League? There seemed to be plenty of Tan Out chants yesterday, but not too many in support of Malky Mackay. Nigel Adkins, on the other hand, was cheered on right until the bitter end.

 

I would love to hear the perspective of a Cardiff City fan.

[John Boy Saint]

While all the off-pitch nonsense has been an absolute shambles, he's not been helped by his players. They were absolute dog**** for the vast majority of yesterday's game. No fight in any of them.

Silly sods probably thought after the boardroom "reprieve" following Liverpool they didn't have to try too hard for him!

[Window Cleaner]

I'm not sure how this is Saints related, but what it's worth the news isn't too surprising judged on the untenable relationship between Mackay and Vincent Tan.

 

Is it possible to characterise Malkay as the embodiment of the traditional values of Cardiff City, but a manager who simply didn't possess sufficient quality to make it in the Premier League? There seemed to be plenty of Tan Out chants yesterday, but not too many in support of Malky Mackay. Nigel Adkins, on the other hand, was cheered on right until the bitter end.

 

I would love to hear the perspective of a Cardiff City fan.

 

 

Who cares, another wannabee PL manager who couldn't handle top class players, may well replace Adkins at some time in the near future. The owner has spent a packet, it's not his fault if McKay doesn't know what to do with the players he signed.

Now I'm no fan of Pulis or his brand of football but you have to admit that he's turning Palace around, same players, different usage and motivation.

Edited 27 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod]

While all the off-pitch nonsense has been an absolute shambles, he's not been helped by his players. They were absolute dog**** for the vast majority of yesterday's game. No fight in any of them.

 

Excellent post.

[Colinjb]

Can't help but think that owners of clubs like Cardiff have seen how we (among others, Norwich and Swansea obviously also spring to mind)) have done since promotion and asked the question, why can't that be us?

 

After a difficult decision by our chairman and after spending a high amount (but not the same volume as some) we have adjusted well to the division. Tan may see this as his 'Nigel Adkins' moment, unlike Adkins though who had finally made us look capable of Premiership survival at his point of exit right now Cardiff are in a genuine mess. That will be a difficult job for anyone bold enough to take it.

[DuncanRG]

Why are people under the impression that he was doing a bad job at Cardiff? Their slide down the table started at almost exactly the same time as the off-field drama.

[shurlock]

Big difference between NA and MM is that MM splashed the cash to get them out of the championship in the first place whereas NA had a much smaller budget.

 

MM was much closer to Aidy Boothroyd than Brendan Rodgers in ability and nous.

[Colinjb]

Big difference between NA and MM is that MM splashed the cash to get them out of the championship in the first place whereas NA had a much smaller budget.

 

And who had to sign the cheques I wonder?

 

Tan is just as responsible for not keeping a hold over the clubs spending more then Mackay is for using the funds at his disposal.

[Saint_clark]

Can't help but think that owners of clubs like Cardiff have seen how we (among others, Norwich and Swansea obviously also spring to mind)) have done since promotion and asked the question, why can't that be us?

 

After a difficult decision by our chairman and after spending a high amount (but not the same volume as some) we have adjusted well to the division. Tan may see this as his 'Nigel Adkins' moment, unlike Adkins though who had finally made us look capable of Premiership survival at his point of exit right now Cardiff are in a genuine mess. That will be a difficult job for anyone bold enough to take it.

 

But Cardiff were looking like they could stay up until all this b*llocks started.

[shurlock]

And who had to sign the cheques I wonder?

 

Tan is just as responsible for not keeping a hold over the clubs spending more then Mackay is for using the funds at his disposal.

 

Just saying that MM's undoubted achievements have to be put in context before the great British media bandwagon goes into overdrive claiming it was harsh to get rid of him.

[Window Cleaner]

Can't help but think that owners of clubs like Cardiff have seen how we (among others, Norwich and Swansea obviously also spring to mind)) have done since promotion and asked the question, why can't that be us?

 

After a difficult decision by our chairman and after spending a high amount (but not the same volume as some) we have adjusted well to the division. Tan may see this as his 'Nigel Adkins' moment, unlike Adkins though who had finally made us look capable of Premiership survival at his point of exit right now Cardiff are in a genuine mess. That will be a difficult job for anyone bold enough to take it.

 

 

The difference between Saints and Swansea and Cardiff is that we had a nucleus of exceptional players playing well below their standard before we got promoted to the PL. There was a spine that remained constant come what may.

[Colinjb]

But Cardiff were looking like they could stay up until all this b*llocks started.

 

Yep. Hence the problem they will now have, their momentum has been utterly stymied by their Chairman's outspoken nature.... While ours made a brutal decision there was an immediate plan that it was part of. Vincent Tan appears to be flying by the seat of his pants, his approach of money = success is not currently clicking and he is panicking.

[krissyboy31]

Shearer summed it up nicely on MotD! Better off out of there, will get a decent job elsewhere and will probably pass Cardiff going down.

[Colinjb]

The difference between Saints and Swansea and Cardiff is that we had a nucleus of exceptional players playing well below their standard before we got promoted to the PL. There was a spine that remained constant come what may.

 

Which seems to be a common theme for those that have successfully made the jump. As for Cardiff Mackay had to rebuild the club and were doing extremely well considering! As Saint Clark said, before Tan started undermining the manager they looked alright.

[Window Cleaner]

But Cardiff were looking like they could stay up until all this b*llocks started.

 

 

really ? They've only won 4 games all season, not all in a cluster either, they win every now and again. Apart from their win against City on the 2nd day of the season the other wins have been against scruffy bottom dwellers and 10 man Swansea in a derby.

[shurlock]

Which seems to be a common theme for those that have successfully made the jump. As for Cardiff Mackay had to rebuild the club and were doing extremely well considering! As Saint Clark said, before Tan started undermining the manager they looked alright.

 

Go check how much they spent in the championship and the garbage MM bought. He had ample time to prepare a squad ready for the -not to mention what they spent in the Prem (they almost beat us to Wanyama, you'll recall). This is in complete contrast to the success-on-a-shoe-string approach of Palace say.

[The Kraken]

really ? They've only won 4 games all season, not all in a cluster either, they win every now and again. Apart from their win against City on the 2nd day of the season the other wins have been against scruffy bottom dwellers and 10 man Swansea in a derby.

And yet they've not been in the relegation places all season. So its hardly a leap of faith to say that it looked like they could stay up.

[Colinjb]

Go check how much they spent in the championship and the garbage MM bought. He had ample time to prepare a squad ready for the prem. This is in complete contrast to the success-on-a-shoe-string approach of Palace say.

 

I'm not saying he is the absolute be-all and end all but to say he has done anything other then an excellent job (league cup finalists, play-off qualifiers, Championship winners) after he had to effectively rebuild their playing staff from scratch (only four players on the books when he joined two years ago, he didn't have the benefit of an existing spine of players) just doesn't ring true for me.

 

Cheque books do not mean certain success. Look at Leicester.

[S-Clarke]

Good timing for us, for a change! Needed to happen sooner rather than later to be honest, his position - no matter what was released a few days ago - was completely untenable. He's not a bad manager, but him staying on would have probably relegated them, as the vibes were just wrong.

 

The chairman obviously has a bit of ambition, but is a bit of a nutter as well......wouldn't suprise me if he names himself as manager!

[The Kraken]

I'm not saying he is the absolute be-all and end all but to say he has done anything other then an excellent job (league cup finalists, play-off qualifiers, Championship winners) after he had to effectively rebuild their playing staff from scratch (only four players on the books when he joined two years ago, he didn't have the benefit of an existing spine of players) just doesn't ring true for me.

 

Cheque books do not mean certain success. Look at Leicester.

Mackay probably hasn't spent much more than we have over the promotion periods. In our promotion year we brought in Cork, Lee, Fox, Hooiveld, de Ridder and Sharp; that lot must have been, what, around £7M or £8M? Half of those players haven't made a PL appearance with us, two are reserves and considered sub-standard for this division, only Jack Cork looks like he can cut it. So I personally wouldn't be too quick to point out the lack of spine being built; Adkins didn't do that either, yet he still did a brilliant job in getting us promoted and then (after a terrible start) looking like he would keep us up.

[Jimmy_D]

With us last season, it seemed to me it was less about getting rid of Adkins and more about bringing Pochettino in. Harsh on Adkins but that hasn't stopped it working out well for us.

 

I wonder if Tan already has someone else lined up, because it looks like from the outside that he's just wanting MM out, perhaps on the back of seeing how well we've done with the change of manager or how well other promoted teams have done.

 

If it's been done without already having a replacement in mind, I can't see it working well for them.

[Window Cleaner]

Good timing for us, for a change! Needed to happen sooner rather than later to be honest, his position - no matter what was released a few days ago - was completely untenable. He's not a bad manager, but him staying on would have probably relegated them, as the vibes were just wrong.

 

The chairman obviously has a bit of ambition, but is a bit of a nutter as well......wouldn't suprise me if he names himself as manager!

 

 

Well I don't think he can because he doesn't have the qualifications but he's obviously a football nut, I mean who would pay

15 million euros for Sarajevo FC when already owner of a PL club. Perhaps they have players Cardiff could use in the near future.

[Colinjb]

So I personally wouldn't be too quick to point out the lack of spine being built; Adkins didn't do that either, yet he still did a brilliant job in getting us promoted and then (after a terrible start) looking like he would keep us up.

 

That was a response to Window cleaner's prior point about teams having a spine. Nigel may not have built ours but he still used it, Mackay didn't have that luxury.

[badgerx16]

Tan's already confirmed there will be no money for the transfer window, so whoever gets the poison chalice will have to work with what's there.

[S-Clarke]

Tan's already confirmed there will be no money for the transfer window, so whoever gets the poison chalice will have to work with what's there.

 

There are far worse teams in and around the bottom, in my opinion. So whoever comes in has a decent bunch to work with, they were abject yesterday though.

[The Kraken]

Tan's already confirmed there will be no money for the transfer window, so whoever gets the poison chalice will have to work with what's there.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did make money available to a new manager. That seemed like more of a smack on the wrists comment and that Malky wouldn't be given any more to spend, if he was still there.

 

It'll be interesting to see what upheaval there is on the backroom support staff, assistants and coaches. Loads of staff left Watford to go to Cardiff with Malky and you can bet your b*llocks to a barn dance that they will be loyal to their former boss.

[Window Cleaner]

Tan's already confirmed there will be no money for the transfer window, so whoever gets the poison chalice will have to work with what's there.

 

 

spent 15 million on Sarajevo FC last week so perhaps he's skint.

[shurlock]

spent 15 million on Sarajevo FC last week so perhaps he's skint.

 

Think it was closer to £1.5m

[The Kraken]

Think it was closer to £1.5m

Yep, reports suggesting its $2M.

[Window Cleaner]

Think it was closer to £1.5m

 

 

L'Equipe said a global envelope of 15 million, they're not usually far off the truth, well not compared to the Star or the Mirror anyway.

[stevegrant]

It'll be interesting to see what upheaval there is on the backroom support staff, assistants and coaches. Loads of staff left Watford to go to Cardiff with Malky and you can bet your b*llocks to a barn dance that they will be loyal to their former boss.

Depends how quickly Mackay gets another job - ultimately, the support staff will be most loyal to their families and bank accounts, if they haven't got a job elsewhere to walk into, they'll probably be quite determined to stick with what they've got.

[Saint Charlie]

Be interesting if they go for Bielsa, MPs main influence!

[The Kraken]

Depends how quickly Mackay gets another job - ultimately, the support staff will be most loyal to their families and bank accounts, if they haven't got a job elsewhere to walk into, they'll probably be quite determined to stick with what they've got.

True story, but I don't think Malky will be out of work for too long, his stock is high despite all the recent guff and goings on down there.

[shurlock]

True story, but I don't think Malky will be out of work for too long, his stock is high despite all the recent guff and goings on down there.

 

In terms of getting another prem job or doing a Nige?

[stevegrant]

In terms of getting another prem job or doing a Nige?

He's been linked with West Brom, and I suspect both Sam Allardyce and Chris Hughton will be twitching nervously right now. West Ham and Norwich are both clubs Mackay played for, so would be obvious links.

[The Kraken]

In terms of getting another prem job or doing a Nige?

As stevegrant says, I can see him being lined up for at least a couple of PL sides, and I'm sure a few in the Championship would be interested.

[skintsaint]

and I suspect both Sam Allardyce and Chris Hughton will be twitching nervously right now.

 

[Convict Colony]

Not a coincidence that Robert Jarni manager of FC Sarajevo is on the sort list apparently.

[Window Cleaner]

Not a coincidence that Robert Jarni manager of FC Sarajevo is on the sort list apparently.

 

 

he's only been with them about a month. Flight of bookies imagination again I think, separating fools from their hard earned, wagering on things they know sod all about. Wonder how much they took from punters on the Spurs job.

[Convict Colony]

he's only been with them about a month. Flight of bookies imagination again I think, separating fools from their hard earned, wagering on things they know sod all about. Wonder how much they took from punters on the Spurs job.

 

This is Tan we are talking we are talking about so anything is possible :-)

[Window Cleaner]

This is Tan we are talking we are talking about so anything is possible :-)

 

And bookies will not tarry to exploit the unpredictable side of his character by offering odds on non-candidates, of course if idiots want to bet on them that's their fault.

Edited 27 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Convict Colony]

In other news PSG are apparently ready to trigger Messi's 210m release clause !!!!!!! crazy

[Window Cleaner]

In other news PSG are apparently ready to trigger Messi's 210m release clause !!!!!!! crazy

 

well I don't think him moving there is very likely, might not even get a game. Zlatan is god at PSG and if he says Messi doesn't play he doesn't play.

[stevegrant]

In other news PSG are apparently ready to trigger Messi's 210m release clause !!!!!!! crazy

Financial Fair Play is definitely working

[Window Cleaner]

Financial Fair Play is definitely working

 

 

well obviously, it's something that Oil Sheiks really understand is fair play. Now winning they understand but not fair play. I mean I've seen today that there's a bloke from Singapour who's willing to buy FC Valence and wipe out their 300 million euros in debt, I mean what's the point in that unless he has some ulterior motive so why should fair play come into the arguement. When you consider that FC Le Mans were wound up by the FFF for debts of about 5 millions there's just no sense in any of it.

Edited 27 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner