EXCLUSIVE: Manchester United plan to sign Adam Lallana

[Dig Dig]

Shows how average our players are.... If we had bids for any of our players from the top 6 we would struggle to hold on to them

 

Sad, but true

 

Don't need to worry then do we.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Don't need to worry then do we.

 

Yeah but no but

 

http://www.unitedlounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17716

[The Kraken]

Love how many are quick to dismiss him and believe he would be better off staying put

 

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/adam-lallana.361862/page-3

Just had a read of that and most are quite complimentary. I don't really see very many incendiary posts throughout that. And I think this fella has it right: "He's decent. So was Young. So was Fellaini. I'm sick of buying decent. Our first team needs elite quality that is up there with the best players in the world, not Adam Lallana."

 

Fair enough point IMO. There's one thing fitting in to United's team; there's another thing going in and taking it up a level as Ozil did with Arsenal.

 

Could Lallana play for a top 4 side? Yes, I believe he could. Is he the signing that United need right now. No, I really don't think he is. And as "believe he would be better off staying put", others suggest he would be a better fit for Arsenal or Spurs. Again, a valid point IMO.

[redder freak]

Who would we replace him with? Hopefully someone even better, if we can get the right money.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Who would we replace him with? Hopefully someone even better, if we can get the right money.

 

Benega or give Gaston a run....

[Window Cleaner]

Yeah but no but

 

http://www.unitedlounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17716

 

 

Where on earth does 45 million £ come from, the original article said something like 15 million didn't it, so since then it's tripled.

[Turkish]

Chelsea were a top 6-8 side when Lampard went so not quite a top top side - akin to Lallana going to an Everton.

 

They finished 6th the season he joined and qualified for the champions league in his first season, spending millions and millions building the side that would become champions, not really like Everton is it.

[shurlock]

Just had a read of that and most are quite complimentary. I don't really see very many incendiary posts throughout that. And I think this fella has it right: "He's decent. So was Young. So was Fellaini. I'm sick of buying decent. Our first team needs elite quality that is up there with the best players in the world, not Adam Lallana."

 

Fair enough point IMO. There's one thing fitting in to United's team; there's another thing going in and taking it up a level as Ozil did with Arsenal.

 

Could Lallana play for a top 4 side? Yes, I believe he could. Is he the signing that United need right now. No, I really don't think he is. And as "believe he would be better off staying put", others suggest he would be a better fit for Arsenal or Spurs. Again, a valid point IMO.

 

Not sure where you read about him being a fit for Arsenal but there are a couple of references to Spurs and for that reason many think he'd be better staying put because we're essentially at the same level

 

Many think he's flourishing where he's at a la Young and wouldn't get the same chances to express himself at United. All which would make someone pause for thought, notwithstanding the massive draw of a potential move.

[shurlock]

They finished 6th the season he joined and qualified for the champions league in his first season, spending millions and millions building the side that would become champions, not really like Everton is it.

 

Before the Abramovich era which took them to a level nobody could have predicted when Lampard joined. They would have arguably stayed outside the elite without that money.

[VectisSaint]

I dont have a clue

Good start to your post, actually can agree with you on something. Pity you continued to add your usual drivel.

[The Kraken]

Not sure where you read about him being a fit for Arsenal but there are a couple of references to Spurs and for that reason many think he'd be better staying put because we're essentially at the same level

 

From these comments.

 

"Looks more of an Arsenal type player to me, he'd be better than either of our wingers at the moment.. but he is more of a free role player."

and

 

"I don't think he has the step up to go beyond Arteta-like levels. Good player at good club."

Another compares him (favourably) to Nasri. There's far more positive comments on there than negative ones about Lallana (and SFC, to be fair) but I'd agree with most of them in that for the money he'd cost them, he's not a signing they need right now.

[DuncanRG]

As good a signing as Lallana would be for United, I doubt the fans would accept them throwing stupid money at him unless they were putting greater resources into securing bigger and better players. As we know, there's no higher markup on player value than on a young Englishman in the January transfer window.

 

There's very little appreciation for the idea that Lallana will leave but not now. If he fulfils his immense potential then it's inevitable he'll move on... but in January, after half a season on top form and with a job half done at the team he leads? I really don't see it happening. If he does aspire to play at that level then he'll be confident enough in his abilities to know he'll get a better offer further down the line. United right now is a big risk compared to a certified Champions League team in the summer/next summer/the summer after.

Edited 26 December, 2013 by DuncanRG

[Turkish]

Before the Abramovich era which took them to a level nobody could have predicted when Lampard joined. They would have arguably stayed outside the elite without that money.

 

They finished 4th in his first season, which was before the abramovich era. They spent £28m the season he signed and £45m the season before so hardly paupers miles away from the elite was it.

Edited 26 December, 2013 by Turkish

[shurlock]

From these comments.

 

"Looks more of an Arsenal type player to me, he'd be better than either of our wingers at the moment.. but he is more of a free role player."

and

 

"I don't think he has the step up to go beyond Arteta-like levels. Good player at good club."

Another compares him (favourably) to Nasri. There's far more positive comments on there than negative ones about Lallana (and SFC, to be fair) but I'd agree with most of them in that for the money he'd cost them, he's not a signing they need right now.

 

He is an Arsenal type player because shock and behold United play with pace down their wings and tend to have quite a rigid shape - not sure the suggestion is that he is Arsenal quality, though.

 

If he was, he'd certainly be good enough for united.

 

But given where united are, agree they need to set their sights higher.

[Graffito]

If he goes to United or anywhere else I think it's much more likely to be in the summer, probably after the WC. We struggle to create anything without Lallana. Letting him go in January we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot.

[The Kraken]

United currently 2-1 down to Hull (having been 2-0 down after 13 minutes). I think United need a bit more than Adam Lallana to sort themselves out.

 

David M:lol:yes.

 

 

 

(I still think they've finish this season in 3rd or 4th though )

[Glasgow_Saint]

United currently 2-1 down to Hull (having been 2-0 down after 13 minutes). I think United need a bit more than Adam Lallana to sort themselves out.

 

David M:lol:yes.

 

 

 

(I still think they've finish this season in 3rd or 4th though )

 

2-2 Rooney

[The Kraken]

2-2 Rooney

Predictable. But United's back 4 of Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Evra is shamefully poor.

[shurlock]

They finished 4th in his first season, which was before the abramovich era. They spent £28m the season he signed and £45m the season before so hardly paupers miles away from the elite was it.

 

Chelsea were knocking on the doors when Lampard joined but they weren't in the inner circle a la United today. Perhaps Spurs is a slightly better analogy than Everton given their greater willingness to spend.

 

Either way, Lampard was fortunate in that he was able to grow with Chelsea and was established when Abramovich allowed them to buy who they liked and the expectation was that they would not only be going for titles but defending them.

[CB Fry]

Chelsea were knocking on the doors when Lampard joined but they weren't in the inner circle a la United today. Perhaps Spurs is a slightly better analogy than Everton given their greater willingness to spend.

 

Either way, Lampard was fortunate in that he was able to grow with Chelsea and was established when Abramovich allowed them to buy who they liked and the expectation was that they would not only be going for titles but defending them.

 

What point are you making here? Despite this relative "smallness" that you are trying to prove, Lampard still went. Your yeah-but-no-but stuff only helps your argument if Lampard decided to stay at West Ham and "develop his career" there. He didn't.

 

Because Chelsea were bigger than WHU. Much like Man U are bigger than we are.

[Solid Saint]

Because Chelsea were bigger than WHU. Much like Man U are bigger than we are.

 

In fairness West Ham weren't exactly the exciting project that we most clearly are.

 

All pointless conjecture at this stage mind.

[Window Cleaner]

United currently 2-1 down to Hull (having been 2-0 down after 13 minutes). I think United need a bit more than Adam Lallana to sort themselves out.

 

David M:lol:yes.

 

 

 

(I still think they've finish this season in 3rd or 4th though )

 

As I said, their first priority has to be defensively minded players. They've now Flethcher at CB I think since Raphael went off injured, Janusaj (or whatever he's called) has come on and made all the difference. They have all the AMs that they need just now..

Edited 26 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[The Kraken]

As I said, their first priority has to be defensively minded players. They've now Flethcher at CB I think since Raphael went off injured, Janusaj (or whatever he's called) has come on and made all the difference. They have all the AMs that they need just now..

Fletcher is in midfield. Valencia just went to right back.

[DuncanRG]

As I said, their first priority has to be defensively minded players. They've now Flethcher at CB I think since Raphael went off injured, Janusaj (or whatever he's called) has come on and made all the difference. They have all the AMs that they need just now..

 

They do need someone who can permanently operate from the position that Rooney tends to drift back into. A creative central player, the type everyone thought Kagawa would be. Lallana has the potential for that role but they've previously bid for Modric and Herrera, and should have been after Ozil or Cabaye if you ask me.

[Turkish]

Predictable. But United's back 4 of Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Evra is shamefully poor.

 

* starts new thread 'is our defence better than man United'

[Saint_clark]

Predictable. But United's back 4 of Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Evra is shamefully poor.

 

Not as bad as people make out tbh.

[The Kraken]

Not as bad as people make out tbh.

For a side that won the league by double digits last year, its absolutely atrocious.

[melmacian_saint]

Benega or give Gaston a run....

 

How many times have you watched Banega play?? A youtube video??

 

Don't really understand your obcession with him. Very inconsistent and really not stronger than Ramirez.

[shurlock]

What point are you making here? Despite this relative "smallness" that you are trying to prove, Lampard still went. Your yeah-but-no-but stuff only helps your argument if Lampard decided to stay at West Ham and "develop his career" there. He didn't.

 

Because Chelsea were bigger than WHU. Much like Man U are bigger than we are.

 

We're discussing the extent to which players from smaller clubs can make the step up to the largest ones.

 

The suggestion is that the 'successful' moves identified involved moves to clubs that while bigger were not as big as suggested which made the step-up easier.

 

Perhaps the many failures gives a player food for thought if they think they're going to rot away on the bench. Perhaps it doesn't. Perhaps it raises the attractiveness of moves to clubs which are big in relative terms but not absolute ones where failures are most commonplace.

 

In the majority of cases, money and honours, however vicarious, talk and sh*t walks. But not all the time. It certainly didn't hurt us when Clyne chose us over united or other 'bigger' clubs. Would Lallana who has probably reached his peak and has half a season of excellent form behind him decide differently?

 

Its open for discussion - hence why mongboards exist.

Edited 26 December, 2013 by shurlock

[GAS]

We're discussing the extent to which players from smaller clubs can make the step up to the largest ones.

 

The suggestion is that the 'successful' moves identified involved moves to clubs that while bigger were not as big as suggested which made the step-up easier.

 

Perhaps the many failures gives a player food for thought if they think they're going to rot away on the bench. Perhaps it doesn't. Perhaps it raises the attractiveness of moves to clubs which are big in relative terms but not absolute ones where failures are most commonplace.

 

In the majority of cases, money and honours, however vicarious, talk and sh*t walks. But not all the time. It certainly didn't hurt us when Clyne chose us over united or other 'bigger' clubs. Would Lallana who has probably reached his peak and has half a season of decent form behind him decide differently?

 

Its open for discussion - hence why mongboards exist.

Also on another note. As Lallana is our captain and in form player, being intregal to the way we play, this type of interest can only give weight to us spending big and meeting Adams expectations here. The plan of being in the Chumps league in 5yrs cannot be realized if we lose our best players to the competition for places.

[Miltonaggro]

The fact is if they want him they will get him and Cortese will be swottted like a fly, why would you have a player at a club not wanting to be there?

 

Lallana didn't cost the club anything, so there is no cost to balance. The law is on Cortese's side and he can ask what he wants, particularly mid season. If he's swotted in the same way he was by Wenger for a schoolboy in league 1, well be looking at £40m and 50k a cap, plus a Faberge love egg. Bring it on...

[Window Cleaner]

Lallana didn't cost the club anything, so there is no cost to balance. The law is on Cortese's side and he can ask what he wants, particularly mid season. If he's swotted in the same way he was by Wenger for a schoolboy in league 1, well be looking at £40m and 50k a cap, plus a Faberge love egg. Bring it on...

 

 

But we have to give Bournemouth 25% of whatever we may get for him. The thought of giving them multiple million £s may rankle with some.

[sydneysaint17]

But we have to give Bournemouth 25% of whatever we may get for him. The thought of giving them multiple million £s may rankle with some.

 

Where did you hear that? I didn't know that was part of the deal? Seems a strange clause to have as a 12 year old! Good forward thinking by Bournemouth if true

[Window Cleaner]

Where did you hear that? I didn't know that was part of the deal? Seems a strange clause to have as a 12 year old! Good forward thinking by Bournemouth if true

 

 

It's a well known fact, always has been.

 

Edited 27 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[SuperMikey]

It's a well known fact, always has been.

 

Clauses can be bought out of contracts, we may have done so already with Adz.

[Window Cleaner]

Clauses can be bought out of contracts, we may have done so already with Adz.

 

 

trust me, it won't have been. Now if we'd done it years ago perhaps but they're clinging on to their 25% for all they're worth.

[skintsaint]

So impressed with AL at the moment, such a great player. Really hope we don't lose him, and if he does depart I would want north of 25m squids to soften the disappointment.

[aintforever]

Clauses can be bought out of contracts, we may have done so already with Adz.

 

It was still in place a year or so ago according to my mate at Bournemouth so I doubt they would have cashed in on it unless it was for a sizeable amount.

[redder freak]

If Lallana goes, we'd need someone like Javi, Mata or Busquets to replace him if we're going to keep improving.

[Window Cleaner]

If Lallana goes, we'd need someone like Javi, Mata or Busquets to replace him if we're going to keep improving.

 

 

Busquets is a DM, certainly wouldn't replace Lallana.

[skintsaint]

If Lallana goes, we'd need someone like Javi, Mata or Busquets to replace him if we're going to keep improving.

 

Why not get all three?

[John Boy Saint]

Bottom line is Adam knows he doesn't need to move to a more "prestigious" club to get an England call up, especially with someone like Gary Neville in the set up who has proved he knows his onions and has been blowing sunshine up Adams backside this season without prompting.

Also we know there is not a chance in hell that he would be sold for bobbins, as would have happened in our not too distant history.

[THEVMAN]

I really don't think you need worry about him leaving,it would take one massive deal to prise him away from family,his dream home that's still getting work done,friends and a general lovely life style that he would miss up north.

[S-Clarke]

I really don't think you need worry about him leaving,it would take one massive deal to prise him away from family,his dream home that's still getting work done,friends and a general lovely life style that he would miss up north.

 

Yeah, Manchester isn't exactly a place I'd look to move to. The drizzle city of the world. At the end of the day, I don't imagine Adam will ever push for a move. If we don't want to sell, then he won't go anywhere.

[The Kraken]

I really don't think you need worry about him leaving,it would take one massive deal to prise him away from family,his dream home that's still getting work done,friends and a general lovely life style that he would miss up north.

 

To be honest I don't see Man Utd as the club for a player like him anyway. If Arsenal or Chelsea came in then I'd be more worried.

[Saint_clark]

 

To be honest I don't see Man Utd as the club for a player like him anyway. If Arsenal or Chelsea came in then I'd be more worried.

 

Watching the Arsenal highlights last night I was thinking exactly the same thing, he'd fit in really well there.

[Ohio Saint]

I'm probably being naive, but not all players are motivated by money or international fame. I honestly believe that AL wants to be the new Matty. A one club hero. Probably naive, yes, but I can hope.

[THEVMAN]

Watching the Arsenal highlights last night I was thinking exactly the same thing, he'd fit in really well there.

 

Yes if any they would suit his quick thinking,slick passing style of play,

[tpbury]

At the end of the season, if still performing and likely for an England place, I think NC should just tick his money up a bit so that the difference between what he might be offered and what he is getting doesn't dwarf the benefits he has in being a big fish, locality etc. Then if he wants a humongo deal in Summer of 2015, having scored or set up the winner for England, fair enough.

[tpbury]

And the consistency has come with the beard?