Barry Sanchez Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I imagine Lallana woudl have same professional attitude shown by Baines. Not all players are like van Hooijdonk. Everton are a lot bigger than we are, Baines is a homebody and he will go there, the deal was too late to go through. If you can imagine Lallana wanting to stay I go for logical over the romantic every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 No but that does not make your argument any stronger, if an institution came in for him they would him. No argument. You are having this argument with yourself though and throwing in spurious references to the New Forest for good measure. I have no more time unfortunately but you have shown failure to grasp my point so no reason to think even over time that you may and appear to have a very simplistic view of transfer market and contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Everton are a lot bigger than we are, Baines is a homebody and he will go there, the deal was too late to go through. If you can imagine Lallana wanting to stay I go for logical over the romantic every time. Now I think you are being awkward or are just a bit slow on uptake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Maybe he values his footballing career more than those two and dont wanna go down the same path? Could also add Adam Johnson to that... What are you on about? The other side of this argument is that as an established premier league player and breaking into the England squad if he values his football career he'd want to play at the best possible level, with the biggest club and have a shot at winning trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 What are you on about? The other side of this argument is that as an established premier league player and breaking into the England squad if he values his football career he'd want to play at the best possible level, with the biggest club and have a shot at winning trophies. http://www.unitedlounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 So is Moyes' number 1 target Lallana (Star), Koke (Mirror) or Reus (Mail)? Maybe he has three number 1's all in similar positions. This is all just made up stuff by a trash red top, based on nothing other than speculation, and being based in the past where Manure are the biggest draw in the world. That was then, this is now. Manure will struggle to get into top 5 this season, let alone CL (and will not win it to qualify either). Lallana would be somewhat foolish to go to Manure unless it was for the money, there are better options available not just in this country but in Europe. He is already all but guaranteed a trip to Brazil (given that he has changed his wedding plans, that would not be based on wishful thinking). Fortunately transfers do not work as they do on games consoles as some on here seem to think. I won't stake my life on it but would be very very surprised if Lallana were to go anywhere in Jan, and mildly surprised if he goes anywhere in next couple of years. And £15m, complete and utter joke. 30m would be starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Lets hope Adams made of sterner stuff and wants to be part of something special here. Hes still young, plenty of time to go glory hunting in a couple of seasons time. He ain't that young though is he. He's 25 and nearing his prime. He's given us plenty of years of loyal service and already been part of something special. Maybe its time for him to go to the fabled 'next level'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 http://www.unitedlounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17716 Oh dear....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 So is Moyes' number 1 target Lallana (Star), Koke (Mirror) or Reus (Mail)? Maybe he has three number 1's all in similar positions. This is all just made up stuff by a trash red top, based on nothing other than speculation, and being based in the past where Manure are the biggest draw in the world. That was then, this is now. Manure will struggle to get into top 5 this season, let alone CL (and will not win it to qualify either). Lallana would be somewhat foolish to go to Manure unless it was for the money, there are better options available not just in this country but in Europe. He is already all but guaranteed a trip to Brazil (given that he has changed his wedding plans, that would not be based on wishful thinking). Fortunately transfers do not work as they do on games consoles as some on here seem to think. I won't stake my life on it but would be very very surprised if Lallana were to go anywhere in Jan, and mildly surprised if he goes anywhere in next couple of years. And £15m, complete and utter joke. 30m would be starting point. This post is based upon hope, dreams and fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 http://www.unitedlounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17716 You really need to shape up your pathetic life kiddo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 So is Moyes' number 1 target Lallana (Star), Koke (Mirror) or Reus (Mail)? Maybe he has three number 1's all in similar positions. This is all just made up stuff by a trash red top, based on nothing other than speculation, and being based in the past where Manure are the biggest draw in the world. That was then, this is now. Manure will struggle to get into top 5 this season, let alone CL (and will not win it to qualify either). Lallana would be somewhat foolish to go to Manure unless it was for the money, there are better options available not just in this country but in Europe. He is already all but guaranteed a trip to Brazil (given that he has changed his wedding plans, that would not be based on wishful thinking). Fortunately transfers do not work as they do on games consoles as some on here seem to think. I won't stake my life on it but would be very very surprised if Lallana were to go anywhere in Jan, and mildly surprised if he goes anywhere in next couple of years. And £15m, complete and utter joke. 30m would be starting point. Good post and most likely outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 You really need to shape up your pathetic life kiddo. Says the guy who registered on the man united forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I really don't know where some people get their figures from. A £30m starting point for a player that is 25 with half a season of being very good for a midtable club and 3 England caps under his belt. So only a few quid less than Ozil then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Lallana is good, but he isn't anywhere near the level of Reus, who is one of the world's top ten attackers. Moyes needs to make a statement of intent with a world class acquisition - Lallana isn't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 This post is based upon hope, dreams and fears. Thats quite rich dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 What are you on about? The other side of this argument is that as an established premier league player and breaking into the England squad if he values his football career he'd want to play at the best possible level, with the biggest club and have a shot at winning trophies. Johnson, Sinclair and Rodwell were just as established PL players as Lallana. Do I say that he wouldn´t go? No, I dont. Just putting another angle to things that its not as clear cut that he would jump at the first chance a bigger club came in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Johnson, Sinclair and Rodwell were just as established PL players as Lallana. Do I say that he wouldn´t go? No, I dont. Just putting another angle to things that its not as clear cut that he would jump at the first chance a bigger club came in.... Yet you list three players who did jump at the chance of a move to back up your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 So if al is not selected today then all the ITKs will start to have multi orgasms as they will believe he's already signed for united . The daily record star whatever is a pile of pishh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Says the guy who registered on the man united forum Yeah that´s what happened. You´re a sorry pathetic figure spouting out lies at this forum and for once (the first time ever) I dont understand why mods let you stay on this forum. But it probably helps your pathetic life so maybe in the christmas spirit we all should understand their kindness towards you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Yet you list three players who did jump at the chance of a move to back up your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Yet you list three players who did jump at the chance of a move to back up your case. Actually my case is that those players might be something to think about in Lallanas case if he wants do go the same careerial path or not at the moment, but hey if that wasn´t obvious to you then you´re not as bright as I thought. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I really don't know where some people get their figures from. A £30m starting point for a player that is 25 with half a season of being very good for a midtable club and 3 England caps under his belt. So only a few quid less than Ozil then. This... there are some dreamers on this website.. it was only recent past that Lallana was close to being dropped and last season was substituted after 70mins every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Yet you list three players who did jump at the chance of a move to back up your case. Yes but they were deluded players. Lallana is clever enough to know he would fail at a big club so won't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Cabaye is going to Liverpool next month, done and dusted so I am told. no he isn't and no it isn't. PSG are leading the chase but nothing is as yet settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Johnson, Sinclair and Rodwell were just as established PL players as Lallana. Do I say that he wouldn´t go? No, I dont. Just putting another angle to things that its not as clear cut that he would jump at the first chance a bigger club came in.... Are you talking about Adam Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Are you talking about Adam Johnson? What other Johnson would that be otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 (edited) What other Johnson would that be otherwise? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Johnson_(footballer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Johnson_(footballer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson_(English_footballer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Johnson_(English_footballer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Johnson_(footballer_born_1988) http://www.johnsonsbaby.com/products/johnsons-baby-oil Edited 26 December, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Johnson_(footballer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Johnson_(footballer) Very famous for his Man City time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 What other Johnson would that be otherwise? Well I was just struggling to see the analogy, given that Adam Johnson was playing for a Championship side at the time of his signing (a championship side who didn't look like they were going to get promoted, and indeed haven't done since he left). Seems a strange example to make to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Well I was just struggling to see the analogy, given that Adam Johnson was playing for a Championship side at the time of his signing (a championship side who didn't look like they were going to get promoted, and indeed haven't done since he left). Seems a strange example to make to me. Is it strange to call a player that had played 70 PL games for an established PL player? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/adam-johnson/leistungsdaten-detail/spieler_31579.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Is it strange to call a player that had played 70 PL games for an established PL player? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/adam-johnson/leistungsdaten-detail/spieler_31579.html I think you miss the point. Not that he was an established PL player; but using him as an example of Lallana should think twice about signing for a top 4 side. Johnson was going nowhere with Boro when he was signed for City, in the league in any case. It was a great move for him to go to City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Giggs could be from that era but they do have a lot of youngsters still. Beat me to it - I guess they could resurrect Norman Whiteside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I think you miss the point. Not that he was an established PL player; but using him as an example of Lallana should think twice about signing for a top 4 side. Johnson was going nowhere with Boro when he was signed for City, in the league in any case. It was a great move for him to go to City. True, but not really talking about the move in itself but about what happened to their careers when they were in a team where their role would be a lot more marginalised (probably bad spelling) than in other teams. Johnson perhaps a bad example compared to the others though. But my point is basically that it´s not as clear cut as some here make it that a player like Lallana would jump at the first chance a bigger club comes in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berudenot2 Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 It's hilarious the amount of people claiming there is 'no chance' of him going to Man United, like its the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard. Its Man United FFS! they might be going through a sticky patch but they are still on one the worlds biggest clubs who can offer a player champions league football, the prospect of medals and a shoe in to the England squad. If this is serious I'd be very surprised if he stays and you wouldn't blame him for going. You appear to be easily amused. Not sure hilarity would be my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Actually my case is that those players might be something to think about in Lallanas case if he wants do go the same careerial path or not at the moment, but hey if that wasn´t obvious to you then you´re not as bright as I thought. My bad. He might also look at frank Lampard, rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole (before the injuries) James Milner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 True, but not really talking about the move in itself but about what happened to their careers when they were in a team where their role would be a lot more marginalised (probably bad spelling) than in other teams. Johnson perhaps a bad example compared to the others though. But my point is basically that it´s not as clear cut as some here make it that a player like Lallana would jump at the first chance a bigger club comes in for him. Its not clear cut, no. But the opportunities you get from going to a big club are enormous, even if you don't make it as a first choice player. I think I'm right in saying that Adam Johnson spoke out against City and gave it an "if I had my chance again I wouldn't have signed for them" statement. Pretty sure I read it at the time, I didn't go along with it then, I don't go along with it now. What the move did for Johnson was immediately propel him into the England reckoning (he was called up a month after signing), and a showcase at one of the best clubs in Europe. As it turned out, he wasn't quite good enough for such a high ranking side, the launch from mid-table Championship to challenging for the Premier League title was too much. But it set him up financially for life and, despite being mainly on the bench in his times before leaving, was still very much in demand from other PL clubs. That is much less of a risk that it could have been signing for, say West Brom, hoping to do ok with them then moving on up. He got given a great opportunity, he was found short of the required level but his profile will be much higher than it ever would have been had he not signed, and that is a huge career boost in itself. There are arguments for players staying at smaller clubs. But not many, and there are so many benefits to moving a big club that turning down such a move is very, very much in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I'd drive him up there myself if Utd wanted to pay £40m for him. I will eat my hat if they offer that much. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Beer Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I for one would be gutted to see him go. Let's hope his love for the club, young family, being captain and the statement of intent signing players like Osvaldo keep him here and happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 He might also look at frank Lampard, rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole (before the injuries) James Milner too. Err, no. Players that leave mid ranking clubs to join big clubs always fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 This post is based upon hope, dreams and fears. Please enlighten me on which parts are hope, which parts are dreams and which parts are fears? The whole thread is based on some trash from the trashiest of trashy red top rags which if they said anything else would be dismissed as rubbish. Lallana is not number 1 target of Moyes, just the ****ty journo would like to think he is, Reus and Koke are much more likely, and who knows whether there is any truth in them either, the Mail and Mirror are hardly better than the Star. The post is based on facts and realism I'm afraid. Your posts are based on drivel, so not planning to take any lessons from you. Like the journo you are living in the past if you continue to think that Manure are the draw they once were, some of us remember times when they were not the biggest club in the world. The days of Manure are over, at least for a while, a new age has dawned. His ticket for Brazil is already booked. I doubt he wants to go anywhere but if he did it would more likely be Man City, Arsenal or Chelski, or even Real or Bayern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 (edited) He might also look at frank Lampard, rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole (before the injuries) James Milner too. Milner I´ll give you. The others dont fit in since I´m talking about these days (not 12-15 yrs ago) and moving to Man City. And btw off topic, Rio moved from Leeds to Man United so do you compare us in our position now to Leeds position back then in the football hierarchy? (my memory let me down, thought he moved earlier from West Ham to Leeds than he did so if that´s what you were pointing to I stand corrected) I were never talking about other clubs, but FWIW I think there would be a much bigger chance with Lallana moving to Man United at the moment than it is moving to Man City. Edited 26 December, 2013 by Olallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Please enlighten me on which parts are hope, which parts are dreams and which parts are fears? The whole thread is based on some trash from the trashiest of trashy red top rags which if they said anything else would be dismissed as rubbish. Lallana is not number 1 target of Moyes, just the ****ty journo would like to think he is, Reus and Koke are much more likely, and who knows whether there is any truth in them either, the Mail and Mirror are hardly better than the Star. The post is based on facts and realism I'm afraid. Your posts are based on drivel, so not planning to take any lessons from you. Like the journo you are living in the past if you continue to think that Manure are the draw they once were, some of us remember times when they were not the biggest club in the world. The days of Manure are over, at least for a while, a new age has dawned. His ticket for Brazil is already booked. I doubt he wants to go anywhere but if he did it would more likely be Man City, Arsenal or Chelski, or even Real or Bayern. I dont have a clue to where he could go to, what I do know is if United came he would go if the other big clubs did not give an offer not as much or not as attractive, you hope he wont go and he picks us when its obvious he would go to United if he was interested in his career, your fear is him leaving when any player playing well for us is always in the shopping window, these are facts, Cortese has sold you a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 I dont have a clue to where he could go to, what I do know is if United came he would go if the other big clubs did not give an offer not as much or not as attractive, you hope he wont go and he picks us when its obvious he would go to United if he was interested in his career, your fear is him leaving when any player playing well for us is always in the shopping window, these are facts, Cortese has sold you a lie. We've only sold one player we wanted to keep since 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 We've only sold one player we wanted to keep since 2009. And then only because he absolutely insisted on leaving. We turned down 18 million € for a player last summer, then again he didn't want to leave either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 True, but not really talking about the move in itself but about what happened to their careers when they were in a team where their role would be a lot more marginalised (probably bad spelling) than in other teams. Johnson perhaps a bad example compared to the others though. But my point is basically that it´s not as clear cut as some here make it that a player like Lallana would jump at the first chance a bigger club comes in for him. Love how many are quick to dismiss him and believe he would be better off staying put http://www.redcafe.net/threads/adam-lallana.361862/page-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 We've only sold one player we wanted to keep since 2009. Well Drew Surman was sold to raise cash just before the Liebherr takeover went through, but you are essentially correct. The player you refer to (AOC of course) was only allowed to leave because he was determined to go anyway. In that sense we are no longer a true 'selling club' anymore, although the press (and some on here) don't seem to have cottoned on to that fact yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 Milner I´ll give you. The others dont fit in since I´m talking about these days (not 12-15 yrs ago) and moving to Man City. And btw off topic, Rio moved from Leeds to Man United so do you compare us in our position now to Leeds position back then in the football hierarchy? I were never talking about other clubs, but FWIW I think there would be a much bigger chance with Lallana moving to Man United at the moment than it is moving to Man City. They do fit because they are examples of players who have left midtable clubs and gone on to have long and successful careers at top clubs, all do them still playing, you don't like them because they don't fit your agenda. As for your point on Leeds, they finished 5th in the season Ferdinand left them for Man United, after playing in the champions league that season. this was at the start of their financial meltdown, although few people outside of Elland road knew how bad it would get at that point. So arguably at the time he moved they were higher up the football hierarchy than we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 We've only sold one player we wanted to keep since 2009. Probably as much to do with the fact that the bigger clubs no longer buy (if they did) from the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 We've only sold one player we wanted to keep since 2009. Shows how average our players are.... If we had bids for any of our players from the top 6 we would struggle to hold on to them Sad, but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 December, 2013 Share Posted 26 December, 2013 They do fit because they are examples of players who have left midtable clubs and gone on to have long and successful careers at top clubs, all do them still playing, you don't like them because they don't fit your agenda. As for your point on Leeds, they finished 5th in the season Ferdinand left them for Man United, after playing in the champions league that season. this was at the start of their financial meltdown, although few people outside of Elland road knew how bad it would get at that point. So arguably at the time he moved they were higher up the football hierarchy than we are now. Chelsea were a top 6-8 side when Lampard went so not quite a top top side coming up off multiple league titles - akin to Lallana going to an Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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