A dark day for Britain but some light at last

[Barry Sanchez]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315

[Viking Warrior]

Barry Sanchez

 

I think the positive aspect of this story , is that it shows how times have changed since 1952. and for the better I might add

 

But then other countries are going back to the Dark ages such as Uganda and their new Anti Gay laws.

[Barry Sanchez]

Barry Sanchez

 

I think the positive aspect of this story , is that it shows how times have changed since 1952. and for the better I might add

 

But then other countries are going back to the Dark ages such as Uganda and their new Anti Gay laws.

 

Uganda, Jamaica and many other parts of the World as far as I am concerned are Nations that need to be educated in acceptance as opposed to ******** vile scripture, I say this as a person who tries to uphold Christian values. They dont represent anything positive about their religion.

[buctootim]

Turing was a brilliant man unjustly treated - but the apologies for historical acts by the state seem like empty gestures to me - especially when we don't seem too bothered about making the same or worse mistakes over again. Future generations will likely find the invasion of Iraq and 1million dead more abhorrent.

Edited 24 December, 2013 by buctootim

[Halo Stickman]

It’s tragically ironic that a man who played such a major role in defeating Nazism should end up being chemically castrated by his own country. Disgusting episode in our history.

[bridge too far]

It’s tragically ironic that a man who played such a major role in defeating Nazism should end up being chemically castrated by his own country. Disgusting episode in our history.

 

Particularly when you learn of stuff like this:

 

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/contrasting-fates-turing-sempill-war.html

[Saint in Paradise]

Get used to the Govt. apologising as if it's anything like the Govt. over here in NZ they keep

on saying sorry and giving lots of money out as compensation to a minority for events that

happened in the 1800s. Resentment might only be growing very slowly but it is growing.

It is a very long way from the amount of resentment in the UK about the UK being in the EU

mind and all those stories against immigration etc that the Daily Mail likes to print.

 

Oh yes and Merry Christmas to 99% of you ( it's been Christmas Day here for over 8 hours now

 

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[Halo Stickman]

Particularly when you learn of stuff like this:

 

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/contrasting-fates-turing-sempill-war.html

 

Interesting stuff, especially regarding Sempill – thanks for posting, BTF.

 

Thankfully, times have changed regarding attitudes towards gay people.

 

Perhaps the same can’t be said regarding the Establishment’s preference for looking after their own?

[Barry Sanchez]

Get used to the Govt. apologising as if it's anything like the Govt. over here in NZ they keep

on saying sorry and giving lots of money out as compensation to a minority for events that

happened in the 1800s. Resentment might only be growing very slowly but it is growing.

It is a very long way from the amount of resentment in the UK about the UK being in the EU

mind and all those stories against immigration etc that the Daily Mail likes to print.

 

Oh yes and Merry Christmas to 99% of you ( it's been Christmas Day here for over 8 hours now

 

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You live in NZ? Lived over for 3 years 10 years ago, came back for a scouser ha ha, still have mates down there now.

[Barry Sanchez]

Get used to the Govt. apologising as if it's anything like the Govt. over here in NZ they keep

on saying sorry and giving lots of money out as compensation to a minority for events that

happened in the 1800s. Resentment might only be growing very slowly but it is growing.

It is a very long way from the amount of resentment in the UK about the UK being in the EU

mind and all those stories against immigration etc that the Daily Mail likes to print.

 

Oh yes and Merry Christmas to 99% of you ( it's been Christmas Day here for over 8 hours now

 

.

 

Winston Peters.

[Whitey Grandad]

Merry Christmas to you to SIP. Shouldn't you be cooking dinner on the barbie by now?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Alan Turing is a bit of a hero of mine. I think he should be held in high esteem by all right thinking people because the contribution he personally made to the Allied cause during WWII is incalculable. Like Oscar Schindler in a way, there are generations of people alive today just because of his intellectual labours. Now welcome as this development undoutably is, methinks that Turing would probably have preferred to see everyone persecuted by officialdom because of their sexuality receive much the same (belated) recognition of the crimes committed against them.

 

But this nation has alas a long history of treating its hero's badly. Many of the ordinary sailors who did so much to defeat the Spanish Armada were abandoned to their fate by a disinterested government soon afterwards. That was the lot of the 'common' people throughout much of our history you might say, but even great fame doesn't always ensure better treatment. Perhaps Britain's greatest ever son, Admiral Lord Nelson, made it quite clear while suffering his long and agonizing death aboard the 'Victory' that his last wish was that the nation should take care of Lady Emma Hamilton and their daughter Horatia after his death. Not too much to ask you would have thought, but Emma and Horatia would end up in a debtors prison just a few years later while Nelson's do-nothing brother was showered with money and fame.

 

I could go on, did the brave lads who sacrificed so very much in WWI really return home to a 'land fit for heroes' ? For that matter the manner in which surviving veterans of the Arctic convoys and RAF Bomber Command aircrew were teated by the establishment after the last war left much to be desired. To end on a more positive note however, at least our wounded soldiers returning home today from Afghanistan ... etc do seem to be receiving the very best medical treatment this nation can offer.

 

The very least they deserve if you ask me.

Edited 25 December, 2013 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[solentstars]

Alan Turing is a bit of a hero of mine. I think he should be held in high esteem by all right thinking people because the contribution he personally made to the Allied cause during WWII is incalculable. Like Oscar Schindler in a way, there are generations of people alive today just because of his intellectual labours. Now welcome as this development undoutably is, methinks that Turing would probably have preferred to see everyone persecuted by officialdom because of their sexuality receive much the same (belated) recognition of the crimes committed against them.

 

But this nation has alas a long history of treating its hero's badly. Many of the ordinary sailors who did so much to defeat the Spanish Armada were abandoned to their fate by a disinterested government soon afterwards. That was the lot of the 'common' people throughout much of our history you might say, but even great fame doesn't always ensure better treatment. Perhaps Britain's greatest ever son, Admiral Lord Nelson, made it quite clear while suffering his long and agonizing death aboard the 'Victory' that his last wish was that the nation should take care of Lady Emma Hamilton and their daughter Horatia after his death. Not too much to ask you would have thought, but Emma and Horatia would end up in a debtors prison just a few years later while Nelson's do-nothing brother was showered with money and fame.

 

I could go on, did the brave lads who sacrificed so very much in WWI really return home to a 'land fit for heroes' ? For that matter the manner in which surviving veterans of the Arctic convoys and RAF Bomber Command aircrew were teated by the establishment after the last war left much to be desired. To end on a more positive note however, at least our wounded soldiers returning home today from Afghanistan ... etc do seem to be receiving the very best medical treatment this nation can offer.

 

The very least they deserve if you ask me.

Agree with all you wrote. shame that he was treated very Badly in a very bigoted time of our society at the time.

 

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[KelvinsRightGlove]

Turing is every inch the hero.

 

His treatment is a dark stain on this countries history.

 

Thankfully, attitudes towards gay people are changing amongst sensible people.

 

Get used to the Govt. apologising as if it's anything like the Govt. over here in NZ they keep

on saying sorry and giving lots of money out as compensation to a minority for events that

happened in the 1800s. Resentment might only be growing very slowly but it is growing.

It is a very long way from the amount of resentment in the UK about the UK being in the EU

mind and all those stories against immigration etc that the Daily Mail likes to print.

 

Oh yes and Merry Christmas to 99% of you ( it's been Christmas Day here for over 8 hours now

 

.

 

Would have thought they were your sort of stories given that nonsense you were posting the other day.

Edited 25 December, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove

[DuncanRG]

I wonder whether it would have been less insulting to ignore it.

 

We all know Alan Turing was one of thousands to be castrated under that appalling law, and that we should really be apologising to every one of them. But there's another dimension - a royal pardon forgives the concerned party for committing a crime - it does not apologise for the law which created that crime. It implies that all but Turing are still guilty of what was once a legitimate offence.

Edited 25 December, 2013 by DuncanRG

[BadgerBadger]

I like to see this as a 'look how far we've come in a relatively short space of time' - be interesting what will be looked back at from 60 yrs hence....

[Whitey Grandad]

That was then and this is now. 'The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there'.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Load of nonsense, you can't go round applying 21st century values on the past. There are countless people who committed acts that were criminal when committed by are not crimes now. Are we going to pardon all of them, or just famous people, or crimes connected to homosexuality.

 

Our kings and queens have imprisoned, killed and impoverished millions over the years, not to mention stole a **** load of land. Perhaps the welfare tourists from Germany should start apologising.

 

What's the difference between a pair of knackers and a head?

[hutch]

What's the difference between a pair of knackers and a head?

Is it the quantity of hair?

[bridge too far]

 

What's the difference between a pair of knackers and a head?

 

Is it - male brains are stored in the former?

[Saint in Paradise]

 

Would have thought they were your sort of stories given that nonsense you were posting the other day.

 

The day I post even 30% of the rubbish you post will be the day I am taken away in a strait jacket