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Roger

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I'm sure the older saints fans will say I'm talking rubbish but been a season ticket holder since 1986 and Clyne is the best I've seen. Quick, good going forward and good positionally. I think with zabeleta he's the best in league at present.

 

Other mentions:

Dodd-not as quick but v good.

Kenna-was quick but not as good defensively.

Telfer-no chance

Gerry Forrest-didn't rate him.

 

I imagine people who could be in list are:

Mick mills-England international but past his best at saints.

Steve mills-before my time but probably a good shout.

Ivan golac-dad and grandad say Clyne is better.

 

Thoughts guys!

Junior Mullet

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We miss Clyne :0(

 

He's a great player, hardly ever loses the ball and has a great end product.

 

It's mad that he probably won't go to Brazil.

 

By far the best RB we've had since I started supporting Saints in 2003.

Badger

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the answer is no, it's Golac

 

Gets my vote.

 

Although, it has to be said that Lawrie's team, as brilliant as it was in the early 80's, did not travel particularly well, the defence - which included Dave Watson, and Chris Nicholl - often used to 'go missing' away from The Dell.

dronskisaint

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Agree on Golac but an honourable mention for Peter Rodrigues....absolutely snuffed Docherty's wonder winger Gordon Hill in the '76 final.

 

Mick Mills was classy too but both these were at the back end of their careers....I can't remember anyone as good this young - and then there's Chambers to look forward to!!

Dellman

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OK I know I'm really old but there must be some others who remember when Saints were in the old second division and had two right backs competeing for the England spot, ever heard of Alf Ramsey? and the other was Bill Ellerington, the only one of that great team still alive (93 I think) but yes, Clyne is right up there with them and Chambers is not far behind

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Can I also add that Chambers can potentially be better. He's not a million miles away now at 18 so give him two or three years he could be even better than Clyne.

Roger

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If club history started in 2009 like some seem to think so then yes he is.

 

Well probably been to more games than anyone since 1986 so a good judge I think.

Roger

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Can I also add that Chambers can potentially be better. He's not a million miles away now at 18 so give him two or three years he could be even better than Clyne.

 

Just don't see it at all. Clynes pace is another level.

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Anyone saying Golac is just wrong. Not because he wasn't good; he was.

 

But you put our current team up against the Southampton greats of years gone by, in their prime, the current lot would run them ragged. It's a different game now. The fitness levels have changed so much.

 

In terms of pure ability you may be right, but in terms of the best, you have to take fitness into it and on that basis yes I think Clyne is the best we've had.

Saint Charlie

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Can I also add that Chambers can potentially be better. He's not a million miles away now at 18 so give him two or three years he could be even better than Clyne.

 

Agree. Chambers looks superb. Would like to find a place for both.

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Despite being totally one footed? I think Clyne's a great player, but it's weird that he always wants to do everything with his right foot. I've always thought his turns particularly dont look very natural, but his pace helps him a fair bit with that.

Roger

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, is Clyne your new pin up boy now are struggling to defend lamberts form?

 

Lol. I still maintain rickie has been a club legend but I think age is catching up with him. My fav players for saints were:

1. Le tiss

2. Rickie

3. M svennson

4. R Wallace.

5. R ekelund.

Magilton was good to.

Saint Garrett

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I'm not worried by Clyne being injured, Chambers has been superb since he's come into the side. Saying that, Clyne is better right now. I have no problems if I see Chambers is on the teamsheet though. Not like when we're missing Shaw or Fonte!

S-Clarke

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I'm not worried by Clyne being injured, Chambers has been superb since he's come into the side. Saying that, Clyne is better right now. I have no problems if I see Chambers is on the teamsheet though. Not like when we're missing Shaw or Fonte!

 

Oh for the day we can say the same about the left back position...!

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I'm sure the older saints fans will say I'm talking rubbish but been a season ticket holder since 1986 and Clyne is the best I've seen. Quick, good going forward and good positionally. I think with zabeleta he's the best in league at present.

 

Other mentions:

Dodd-not as quick but v good.

Kenna-was quick but not as good defensively.

Telfer-no chance

Gerry Forrest-didn't rate him.

 

I imagine people who could be in list are:

Mick mills-England international but past his best at saints.

Steve mills-before my time but probably a good shout.

Ivan golac-dad and grandad say Clyne is better.

 

Thoughts guys!

 

Golac for me. Probably not as skilful / quick as Clyne, and maybe bit of rose tinted hero worship but my memory of Golac is that no one would get passed him, and when he ran forward a tank needed to stop him.

 

No, not by a long chalk, there is no one is this current team that would make our all time best XI. The newer fans probably think so but there have been great players for us over the years.

 

Hard to compare as the game changes and without the opportunity to see players, from different generations in similar sides etc.

 

Our side is so young you cannot compare players still improving, learning with players we have had when they are 27-30.

 

I think Lovren could be best CB we have had. When he chases wingers down (situations most fullbacks would be happy to block a cross, or at most put it out, he manages to turn away with the ball.

Of our previous CBs a few match or maybe beat him in air or as blockers. But who match him for speed, fast tackles, reading the game, passing and dribbling?

Unfair to put him ahead of others after ½ a season but ability I can't imagine any old ones matching last 4 months.

 

Shaw, Clyne, JWP could get there but not for a while.

 

 

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WealdSaint

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I'm born in 66, so have seen quite a few saints RB's. Whilst Golac was a great player for the club I would rate Clyne the best. I also agree that Chamber's is a fantastic prospect. We are terribly short of a champions league squad in most positions but not RB

John Boy Saint

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Can I also add that Chambers can potentially be better. He's not a million miles away now at 18 so give him two or three years he could be even better than Clyne.

Can't disagree with that, showed yesterday when he got to, what looked to be, a lost cause ball that he has some pace and only a kerfuffle with his feet (that any pro of any age and experience could make) negated the effort. He also crosses the ball very well and early too. When you listen to the team sheet being read out its interesting to hear/feel the difference in reaction to Chambers name being read out compared to Fox.

 

shirleysfc asking about whether he could switch to centre back, you can't see why not as he is a tall lad and, I know it was in a different league, Chris Baird made the switch and ended up winning player of the season as a result.

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Golac always gets in 'best ever' Saints XIs. I'd only ever consider him if the game this team was supposed to be playing was at home - as he was a liability in away games

 

Mick Mills would still be my pick - it's no coincidence that we had our best ever season in 1983-84 when we had our best ever defence.

 

However, with the way Clyne is going, he'll certainly be a contender for best ever RB in a season or two

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I really don't think Clyne's up there with the best in the league either. Zabaleta and Rafael are miles ahead, Sagna's found his form again and Seamus Coleman probably pips him too. Plenty more to come from our Nathaniel though

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Stevey Mills was more of a left back of course. He was a fantastic player and would have gone on to captain England....no doubt. I also think Ivan the terrible is the best right back I've seen in a Saints shirt and, maybe, anywhere. As an ex winger I'd rather have played against Clyne than Golac, simply cos it would have been less of a bruising, but technically Clyne is probably the better player and will surely play for England for a long time.

Window Cleaner

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Stevey Mills was more of a left back of course. He was a fantastic player and would have gone on to captain England....no doubt. I also think Ivan the terrible is the best right back I've seen in a Saints shirt and, maybe, anywhere. As an ex winger I'd rather have played against Clyne than Golac, simply cos it would have been less of a bruising, but technically Clyne is probably the better player and will surely play for England for a long time.

 

 

neither had to face the Argentine armada that we have now though. Don't think you can compare performances from era to era. That said Steve Mills is one of my all time fave Saints players. Tragic loss but at that epoque drink driving was very much a way of life amongst young men. They couldn't all afford chauffeur cars every time they put a foot out of the door in those days.

Pastor Patrón

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Can I also add that Chambers can potentially be better. He's not a million miles away now at 18 so give him two or three years he could be even better than Clyne.

 

And can I just subtract that because it's stupid.

Saint Garrett

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And can I just subtract that because it's stupid.

 

If you think that, then you clearly haven't seen him play. Chambers looks a great talent for his age. Strong, good in the tackle, and can get forward. Can put a decent ball in as well.

Pastor Patrón

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If you think that, then you clearly haven't seen him play. Chambers looks a great talent for his age. Strong, good in the tackle, and can get forward. Can put a decent ball in as well.

 

Allow me to retort with the following:

 

Clyne>>>>>>>Chambers

derry

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Anyone saying Golac is just wrong. Not because he wasn't good; he was.

 

But you put our current team up against the Southampton greats of years gone by, in their prime, the current lot would run them ragged. It's a different game now. The fitness levels have changed so much.

 

In terms of pure ability you may be right, but in terms of the best, you have to take fitness into it and on that basis yes I think Clyne is the best we've had.

 

If the players were to be compared then credit has to be given that given the same training regimes fitness would not be an issue. Ramsey, Ellerington, Mills and Golac for me. Clyne has been caught too often at the back post and often relies on his pace to cover being caught out of position. Ramsey was probably the smartest. These players were at their peak whilst Clyne is nowhere near the finished article yet. He is still very young. However somebody very close to the club admitted that as Shaw was definitely going to be a 'World Class' full back it will be difficult to keep him once he feels he has sufficient experience and recognition to be a fixture in the top team.

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Window Cleaner

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Nah no chance, Chambers is good but Clyne's outstanding. Neither Chambers or Shaw will be as good as him.

 

 

Clyne is fast,experienced and solid, Spurs wouldn't have got down our right for either of their first 2 goals with Clyne, which is why he's number 1 when fit. You could see it when our midfield were passing wide as well, they put the ball where Clyne would be, Chambers was about 2 yards short each time.

Bearsy

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Clyne is fast and solid, Spurs wouldn't have got down our right for either of their first 2 goals with Clyne, which is why he's number 1 when fit. You could see it when our midfield were passing wide as well, they put the ball where Clyne would be, Chambers was about 2 yards short each time.

 

I didn't see all the game cos I had tantrum + smashed computer second half, but lot of the time it seemed like Davis was playing right back.

david in sweden

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Possibly not, but I'll raise you this:

 

 

 

those were the days ......season 1980-81....BUT also take a look at the sequence on the bottom row ......10 years later......SOUTHAMPTON 4 LIVERPOOL 1 at the end.

 

Liverpool went on to win the title that year ..also, see the young MLT, Alan Shearer and Rod Wallace . In this game the Dodd /Benali partnership had just started and you see Jimmy Case at his toughest.

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