SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 https://audioboo.fm/boos/1813957-saintsfc-boss-mauricio-pochettino-speaking-to-mrandrewmoon-after-3-2-defeat-by-tottenham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Not sure what people expect him to say. He would play Boruc, Fonte, Wanyama, Clyne, Shaw and Osvaldo if he could! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 What has he said you don't agree with Soton East Side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 "In the second half we dressed up as Santa Claus and gave them many presents. We made many mistakes and when you make these mistakes, you are punished. We are obviously very angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 "In the second half we dressed up as Santa Claus and gave them many presents. We made many mistakes and when you make these mistakes, you are punished. We are obviously very angry. It was inevitable with that defence. Should have been addressed in the summer Tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 It was inevitable with that defence. Should have been addressed in the summer Tbh.I suppose it is progression. Shows how good our 1st eleven is and that we lack depth in many positions. But I hope we get there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 22 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2013 What has he said you don't agree with Soton East Side? Nothing Neil, they made mistakes which pointed out. Just hope he realises its the same players doing it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I thought MP was subdued today, normally he is prowling the technical area, shouting, coaching and on edge, today he seemed to be sat down a lot of the time devoid of any idea how to save the game. One of those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I thought MP was subdued today, normally he is prowling the technical area, shouting, coaching and on edge, today he seemed to be sat down a lot of the time devoid of any idea how to save the game. One of those days. Most likely just annoyed that he had to play Jos, Fox and Gazzaniga in the same side again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 His post-match interviews are getting increasingly tedious. No insight, no real explanation of team selection, tactics etc. I am starting to think he is hiding behind his lack of English...unless of course his interpreter is at fault and dumbing down what he is saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Most likely just annoyed that he had to play Jos, Fox and Gazzaniga in the same side again. He didn't have to play Jos though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 His post-match interviews are getting increasingly tedious. No insight, no real explanation of team selection, tactics etc. I am starting to think he is hiding behind his lack of English...unless of course his interpreter is at fault and dumbing down what he is saying! No football interviews are continuously interesting. Only so much you can say unless you like the oh so whacky Holloway. Having said that I always find Steve Bruce very honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2378319/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-People-thought-I-E-T-I-Ianded-Saints.html 'I don't want to lose 5 matches in a row before sacking the manager, I do it before that happens' 4 loses in 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 No football interviews are continuously interesting. Only so much you can say unless you like the oh so whacky Holloway. Having said that I always find Steve Bruce very honest. WGS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2378319/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-People-thought-I-E-T-I-Ianded-Saints.html 'I don't want to lose 5 matches in a row before sacking the manager, I do it before that happens' 4 loses in 6. We are on a horrendous run and yesterday was as bad as I have seen for a long, long time. But the bullet? Surely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2378319/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-People-thought-I-E-T-I-Ianded-Saints.html 'I don't want to lose 5 matches in a row before sacking the manager, I do it before that happens' 4 loses in 6. So? means we lose the next 4. How people forget CIty and Newcastle performances so quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2378319/Southampton-chairman-Nicola-Cortese-People-thought-I-E-T-I-Ianded-Saints.html 'I don't want to lose 5 matches in a row before sacking the manager, I do it before that happens' 4 loses in 6. Perhaps we can pretend that the spurs result followed the villa result which in turn followed chelsea/arsenal ones. Only in a mongboard universe of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So? means we lose the next 4. How people forget CIty and Newcastle performances so quickly Under Adkins we won at Villa and drew away at Chelsea - he then got the bullet. Our run now (1 win in 9) is as bad as any under Adkins - and he (mopo) has spent £40 million + should be benefititing from a years prem experience (something Adkins never had) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So? means we lose the next 4. How people forget CIty and Newcastle performances so quickly No, he said he does it BEFORE that happens. 4 loses in 6 now. Remember Newcastle could have been better but MP messed the tactics up in the first half and had too make two half time substitutes to rectify things. He also keeps picking players that make the same mistakes, Hooliveld has cost us at least one goal in his last two matches, yet he plays whilst Corteses signing Yoshida sits on the bench. These things won't have gone unnoticed upstairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 No, he said he does it BEFORE that happens. 4 loses in 6 now. Remember Newcastle could have been better but MP messed the tactics up in the first half and had too make two half time substitutes to rectify things. He also keeps picking players that make the same mistakes, Hooliveld has cost us at least one goal in his last two matches, yet he plays whilst Corteses signing Yoshida sits on the bench. These things won't have gone unnoticed upstairs. It isn't as bad as everyone seems to think. One out of 5 best defenders played yesterday. Agree can't for life of me why Jos is getting picked. And Fox is no replacement but we aren't in as deep as people seem to think and don't think MP is too culpable. Not perfect either but that article suggest they might be over doing the sports science a bit too much and 'resting' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Perhaps we can pretend that the spurs result followed the villa result which in turn followed chelsea/arsenal ones. Only in a mongboard universe of course... Not sure what you're on about as usual. strawman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 It isn't as bad as everyone seems to think. One out of 5 best defenders played yesterday. Agree can't for life of me why Jos is getting picked. And Fox is no replacement but we aren't in as deep as people seem to think and don't think MP is too culpable. Not perfect either but that article suggest they might be over doing the sports science a bit too much and 'resting' players. One win in nine, fancy us to get anything V Everton and Chelsea? I don't. Fail to be Cardiff and its one in twelve. Adkins lost his job for less. People will say we've had a tough run and injuries but a few months ago people were saying there are no easy games, we were amazing, the squad was great and a top 6 finish was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 One win in nine, fancy us to get anything V Everton and Chelsea? I don't. Fail to be Cardiff and its one in twelve. Adkins lost his job for less. People will say we've had a tough run and injuries but a few months ago people were saying there are no easy games, we were amazing, the squad was great and a top 6 finish was inevitable. Isn't all about the points though and as depressing as form guide is we arguably could have had much better return? Such things are luck though and NC is sure to see this. Two weeks ago we often dominated probably the best team in the league with some injuries. That is not grounds for pessimism but fixture list has been very skewed this season giving us a bit of a false position. Stupidly I think we'll get a point at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Not sure what you're on about this time. You're referring to a quote that Cortese wouldn't sit around till we lost five games in a row. We've only lost two games in a row during this mini-slump. Four losses out of six is poor but we don't need to get into specifics of our injuries/the fixture list (though that cuts both ways) -and am sure Cortese knows the difference between a manager who has hit his ceiling and one who is struggling with the s***ty hand he's been dealt. The only game that probably angered Cortese was the Villa one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Turks: Should MP get the sack if we don't beat Cardiff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 (edited) Turks: Should MP get the sack if we don't beat Cardiff? That's not the point He's only failthfully repeating Cortese's own words Forget the fact that Cortese qualified them by saying that he ultimately wants a manager who can take us to the next level (which isn't the same thing as short-term results). Edited 23 December, 2013 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Turks: Should MP get the sack if we don't beat Cardiff? I'm not saying its the right thing to do, far from it, they were Corteses words though when he justified Adkins sacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 You're referring to a quote that Cortese wouldn't sit around till we lost five games in a row. We've only lost two games in a row during this mini-slump. Four losses out of six is poor but we don't need to get into specifics of our injuries/the fixture list (though that cuts both ways) -and am sure Cortese knows the difference between a manager who has hit his ceiling and one who is struggling with the s***ty hand he's been dealt. The only game that probably angered Cortese was the Villa one. So why are you making things up again about changing the order of results? You do seem to struggle with forming an arguement without resorting to making things up. Is 4 loses in 6 almost as bad as five in a row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 That's not the point He's only failthfully repeating Cortese's own words True but none of us know the real injury/illness situation at the club. Looking at a couple of performances yesterday you'd have to ask yourself if Shaw wasn't the only one with a sore throat or whatever it was. Davis and JRod, good at Toon, both pretty poor yesterday. Steve Davis is pretty regular but yesterday he just wasn't at the races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 True but none of us know the real injury/illness situation at the club. Looking at a couple of performances yesterday you'd have to ask yourself if Shaw wasn't the only one with a sore throat or whatever it was. Davis and JRod, good at Toon, both pretty poor yesterday. Steve Davis is pretty regular but yesterday he just wasn't at the races. Shaw tweeted he could have played, Clyne is training again, Fonte is on the bench so can't be that bad. So our 'injury crisis' in reality is Boruc and Wanayama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So why are you making things up again about changing the order of results? You do seem to struggle with forming an arguement without resorting to making things up. He actually said he WOULDNT wait until 5 loses in a row before changing managers. So yet again you're making things up. Is 4 loses in 6 almost as bad as five in a row? Once again you'd have to agree that no wins in 6 with 4 defeats and 5 losses in a row are one and the same thing apart from semantics, but our injury and illness situation is obviously serious and if we actually have 12 totally fit first team regulars available it would surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 That's not the point He's only failthfully repeating Cortese's own words Forget the fact that Cortese qualified them by saying that he ultimately wants a manager who can take us to the next level (which isn't the same thing as short-term results). Well we'll soon find out if he is the man to take us to the next level won't we. Fancy us getting anything from Everton and Chelsea? When does short term results become a flagging vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Shaw tweeted he could have played, Clyne is training again, Fonte is on the bench so can't be that bad. So our 'injury crisis' in reality is Boruc and Wanayama. Fonte might have been on the bench but if he was playable he'd have come on at some time in the game as he did against Villa. He's obviously not fit and was on the bench to make up the numbers, same as Yoshida otherwise the Chambers left/JWP right nonsense would make no sense. If Clyne had been fit he would have started or been on the bench, just because they're in training doesn't make them fit to play. Our bench yesterday consisted of 3 subs and 4 to make up the numbers, I don't know if there's a rule to say you must present 7 subs but yesterday might suggest that there is. Shaw was ill, he might think he could play, the docs thought otherwise. Once again I would refer you to the training gallery, no Yoshi or Fonte because they're walking wounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So why are you making things up again about changing the order of results? You do seem to struggle with forming an arguement without resorting to making things up. Is 4 loses in 6 almost as bad as five in a row? If they were against bottom of the table sides with a full strength team and we'd been completely outplayed, perhaps? But with the exception of the Villa game (which at any rate we dominated) and yesterday which had similarities with NA's time, that's not been the case. Cortese fired Adkins when he was on a winning run - clear proof that he looks beyond short-term results. The quote should be taken with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 If they were against bottom of the table sides with a full strength team and we'd been completely outplayed, perhaps? But with the exception of the Villa game (which at any rate we dominated) and yesterday which had similarities with NA's time, that's not been the case. Cortese fired Adkins when he was on a winning run - clear proof that he looks beyond short-term results. So we aren't losing games due to individual errors and poor defending then? Was that not one of the hallmarks of Adkins tenure in the premier league? Adkins also didn't have a team that had ' adapted to the premier league' (direct quote from here) and £35m spent on three full internationals. If MP is the man to take us to the fabled 'next level' don't you think Cortese would be expecting us to get results against the better teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Fonte might have been on the bench but if he was playable he'd have come on at some time in the game as he did against Villa. He's obviously not fit and was on the bench to make up the numbers, same as Yoshida otherwise the Chambers left/JWP right nonsense would make no sense. If Clyne had been fit he would have started or been on the bench, just because they're in training doesn't make them fit to play. Our bench yesterday consisted of 3 subs and 4 to make up the numbers, I don't know if there's a rule to say you must present 7 subs but yesterday might suggest that there is. Shaw was ill, he might think he could play, the docs thought otherwise. Once again I would refer you to the training gallery, no Yoshi or Fonte because they're walking wounded. If Fonte and Yoshida were that bad, why not have Stephens or Turnbull on the bench? What are these mystery injuries they both have? Chambers provided pretty decent cover for Clyne's position. We're now seeing MP having to manage with a similar first XI to what Adkins had to work with at the start of last season and he's getting similar results and performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 (edited) If Fonte and Yoshida were that bad, why not have Stephens or Turnbull on the bench? What are these mystery injuries they both have? Chambers provided pretty decent cover for Clyne's position. We're now seeing MP having to manage with a similar first XI to what Adkins had to work with at the start of last season and he's getting similar results and performances. Exactly this. Adkins had to cope without Boruc until New Year's Day last season (aside from his two fat boy performances) there was no Shaw for much of it and no Lovern and Wanyama. He had calamity Hoolvield and Fox as his two first choices in their positions. He also had a newly promoted team and no top flight management experience, yet He was a dead man walking long before he was sacked. Edited 23 December, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So we aren't losing games due to individual errors and poor defending then? Was that not one of the hallmarks of Adkins tenure in the premier league? Adkins also didn't have a team that had ' adapted to the premier league' (direct quote from here) and £35m spent on three full internationals. If MP is the man to take us to the fabled 'next level' don't you think Cortese would be expecting us to get results against the better teams? We do get results against better sides, if we did in all we'd be at the next level. Just a tough run of games without our best players to choose from. Not sure what else people expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 So we aren't losing games due to individual errors and poor defending then? Was that not one of the hallmarks of Adkins tenure in the premier league? Adkins also didn't have a team that had ' adapted to the premier league' (direct quote from here) and £35m spent on three full internationals. If MP is the man to take us to the fabled 'next level' don't you think Cortese would be expecting us to get results against the better teams? We've made mistakes but they're a far cry from the way we would collapse and capitulate under Adkins - the way we held firm against City/Newcastle showed the resilience MP has brought to the team, even when he was basically selecting from the same pool of players as Adkins. Only yesterday was truly soft and shambolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 (edited) We've made mistakes but they're a far cry from the way we would collapse and capitulate under Adkins - the way we held firm against City/Newcastle showed the resilience MP has brought to the team, even when he was basically selecting from the same pool of players as Adkins. Only yesterday was truly soft and shambolic. What would you describe Cheslea as then? 3 second half goals conceded against a team you dismissed as one that simply played 'hoof ball' Did we have a six game run under Adkins which only gleaned two points? even at the start we managed 3. Edited 23 December, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 We do get results against better sides, if we did in all we'd be at the next level. Just a tough run of games without our best players to choose from. Not sure what else people expect. What is expect is that if MP is this truely great manager that some are claiming, that as has been pointed out, he gets better results with the same group of players as Adkins had. The squads the last few weeks has been and he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 We do get results against better sides, if we did in all we'd be at the next level. Just a tough run of games without our best players to choose from. Not sure what else people expect. Every club has injuries - some much worse than us. How do they cope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Every club has injuries - some much worse than us. How do they cope? Prob about the same if they have the same type of squad as ours.....good first 11 but not much beyond that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 What is expect is that if MP is this truely great manager that some are claiming, that as has been pointed out, he gets better results with the same group of players as Adkins had. The squads the last few weeks has been and he hasn't. What's the point of the argument? Sack MP and get Adkins back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 What would you describe Cheslea as then? 3 second half goals conceded against a team you dismissed as one that simply played 'hoof ball' Did we have a six game run under Adkins which only gleaned two points? even at the start we managed 3. Never said Chelsea's tactics weren't effective. If you also look at our performances under MP at the end of last season -when MP's basically had the same squad as NA to choose from, its ridiculous to conclude that we haven't become tighter and harder to beat. One one level, MP has the worst of both worlds -not only a poor squad to choose from (the same for NA) but also players with little match practice/cohesion playing together because (thankfully and until recently), they no longer get near the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Prob about the same if they have the same type of squad as ours.....good first 11 but not much beyond that We have 2-3 key injuries and are bottom of the league over the last 6 games. Crystal Palace (7 injured), Villa (5), Norwich (5), Swansea (5), Hull (4) all similar size squads to us - all have more injuries and all fairing much better than us lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 We have 2-3 key injuries and are bottom of the league over the last 6 games. Crystal Palace (7 injured), Villa (5), Norwich (5), Swansea (5), Hull (4) all similar size squads to us - all have more injuries and all fairing much better than us lately. Assuming those numbers are correct -its Xmas and I'm feeling charitable- who are those players, how integral are they to their respective teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 We have 2-3 key injuries and are bottom of the league over the last 6 games. Crystal Palace (7 injured), Villa (5), Norwich (5), Swansea (5), Hull (4) all similar size squads to us - all have more injuries and all fairing much better than us lately. Fonte,Wanyama,Shaw,Clyne,Boruc how is that a couple then? Fonte is injured, he didn't train last week at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Fonte,Wanyama,Shaw,Clyne,Boruc how is that a couple then? Fonte is injured, he didn't train last week at all. Just know I shouldn't have given BS the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 December, 2013 Share Posted 23 December, 2013 Fonte,Wanyama,Shaw,Clyne,Boruc how is that a couple then? Fonte is injured, he didn't train last week at all. Fonte was on the bench so not injured - Shaw admitted that he was fit "rested", Clyne is back training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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