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S-Clarke

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I think recent results suggest we should be questioning the manager's performance, tactics and team selection.

 

Make no mistakes, this isn't a crisis. We are doing OK. However, Pochettino has had a bad time recently.

 

Weird post. What's he supposed to do? Magic away the injuries to Boruc, Fonte, Shaw, Wanyama, Clyne?

 

The squad isn't deep enough, and we've been punished for it at a time where we play all the big teams. We have to grin and bear it, as we don't have the squad to manage an injury crisis like this.

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LatvianTolix

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All I want for christmas is a goalkeeper & a centreback!

 

This Christmas it is not possible, as the transfer window is still closed. You probably thought of Orthodox Christmas in early January? then it should be fine.

 

Me would love reliable Gk of Boruc level or better, very good CB to accompany Lovren in starting XI, and to finally drop Jos and send him to Eredivisie (where he belongs), LB back-up for Shaw, versatile winger and very good striker. If this list would be covered even at half, should be good.

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Think a lot of posters need to get reality check. 9 th position. Looking very unlikely to be involved with a relegation battle and 3 big signings from being top 6 contenders. Even as we stand probably a top ten team this season. I'm not complaining at that. Of course am disappointed at losing today and our weakened team will struggle. I am sure the management know there are let's say 3 players in the team today that should not play in our team and as long as we can get ourselves in a position where we do not have to play them we will have an exciting few years ahead of us.

 

POST OF THE DAY

 

However correct "Post of the day" may be, it is wrong for this forum. You have to be a happy clapper or a bedwetter. Nothing inbetween. ;) Burn the witch!!

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As soon as I saw the lineups I thought we'd lose around 5-0, and we should have lost around 5-2 if Spurs' shooting wasn't so wayward.

 

To go into a premier league game with Gazzaniga, Hooiveld and Fox is suicide. I know our transfer policy is to buy one or two quality players but couldn't we sure up the squad with some loans?

 

That said any team would struggle with 6 out. We are further up the table than last year. We've had had a tough run of fixtures and the transfer window is just around the corner.

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Glasgow_Saint

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I think recent results suggest we should be questioning the manager's performance, tactics and team selection.

 

Make no mistakes, this isn't a crisis. We are doing OK. However, Pochettino has had a bad time recently.

 

For the first time mopo is needing to manage the squad and adapt. So far he has failed to deliver

 

His win % is just 33% much lower than Adkins, mopo has also had £40 million invested and a years prem experience for the players. 1 win in 9 has exposed alot for manager and squad

 

Its very easy to manage a full strengh team..... Good managers can also get the most out of the squad and adapt when needed.

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GAS

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No

 

Boruc

Clyne

Fonte

Shaw

Wanyama

Osvaldo

 

 

That is a monumental amount of talent missing

It's killing us

Good post. Made me rethink my negativity after this game. But Shows we need depth. We gifted them this win.
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How we can judge this performance on its own ? We have **** loads of injuries, I think Gazzanigga is being scapegoated and Ramirez should play more often. Does anyone really think our full strength side would have lost today ?

 

No would have won. Ramirez played well when he came on.

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No would have won. Ramirez played well when he came on.

 

Yes, and I do not understand why Ramirez has not been given a run... can split open defences with one pass. Another psoitvie was Chambers who is going to be a class act.. not sure about full back, maybe midfield in the longer term.

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SuperMikey

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Err, what about Schneiderlin? Or Lovren? Err, or Davis? etc...

 

Gazzaniga - Awful.

Chambers - Good going forward, Lovren covered well for him otherwise may have been caught out a few times.

Lovren - Not bad, didn't have much chance playing in that defence.

Hooiveld - Awful.

Fox - Awful.

Cork - Put himself about and was chasing the second ball - something we failed to do several times. Surprised he came off.

Schneiderlin - Wasn't bad, but you can tell he's not 100% fit. Made some good tackles but tired and faded later in the game.

Davis - Pretty anonymous, drifted around near the ball a lot. Not really a winger to be fair, but he didn't play well.

Lallana - Lots of energy and determination, that's what I love to see from him. One of the few bright sparks recently.

Rodriguez - Average, faded in the second half.

Lambert - Poor game by his standards, should have buried one from that corner to put us level again.

 

Prowsey - Played well, weirdly looked better at RB than in midfield.

Ramirez - Has no awareness of where opposition players are. The number of times i've seen him stop to pick out a pass and get tackled by a player that was 2yds away is astounding.

Gallagher - Looked energetic and quick. Could've had a goal on another day.

 

Pochettino - Weird subs today, can't understand why we took Cork off and kept Davis on. I understand we wanted to go more attacking, but Corky was playing well.

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wessex saint

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If Ramirez is finally fit then give him a blast. Him lallana and jay rod behind osvaldo could be exciting... Lets face it, we need to find some extra creativity from somewhere!

On today's game, it was disappointing but we had 6 players who would probably be in the starting xl missing. Don't wet the bed.

Oh.. And the atmosphere was dreadful... Worst of the season when the team needed us most. 'We only sing when we're winning'

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Charlie Wayman

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All at sea today. This side is beginning to look distinctly limited an dthe better teams are finding us out. Disappointed in he coaches who seemed paralysed into inaction when we needed some fresh approach to get us moving. Only Lallana and Chambers can hold their heads high tonight, the rest were awful or ****ged out depending on your perspective. Ricky's whole body language was wrong from the get-go so assume he had a ding-dong with his missus yesterday, he was certainly absent on duty and seemingly in a foul mood all afternoon.

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Two class goals scored. Three needless goals conceded. For the first goal Fox and Hooiveld tracked back without picking up the only danger and looked complacent, as though they didn't think there was danger as they both just watched Adebayor attack the ball. Fox had to get across Adebayor and attack the ball as he was the last defender. The second goal was Hooiveld just waving his foot at the cross and knocking the ball past Gazzaniga. The third goal was Hooiveld again waving his foot at the ball and knocking it against possibly Salgado the rebound allowing a free shot from Adebayor through Lovren's legs after Fox failed to track him.

 

Fox has proved that he is a poor defender because he stands off and just lets his mark free. Hooiveld is ok attacking headers in midfield but seems to play like Bambi on ice with the ball near his feet in the box. He seems to lack timing. Gazzaniga needs to go out on loan and should never have been placed in this position. Another experienced keeper as back up/competition for Boruc should have been brought in as Davis also is nowhere near good enough. Gazzaniga had no chance with any of the goals and was exposed by crass defending.

 

Lallana two class moments, Rodriguez worked hard, Lambert mixed, good goal too many poor passes. Chambers and Lovren defended well. Cork had a decent game,gave outstanding through ball to Lallana for second goal, we missed him after substituted. Wrongly in my view. Schneiderlin had a decent enough game and made two outstanding last ditch tackles. Davis was neat without contributing much and just doesn't tackle. He had the chance to make a tackle during the move that led to the second goal but just let the opponent just walk past him. Ramirez looked worth a start instead of Davis. JWP was busy however without Cork we weren't as good in midfield.

 

I thought that Yoshida is a better defender than Hooiveld who makes far too many mistakes that end up in our net. Left back is a major worry, surely Fox has to move on. We need to bring in a goalkeeper and a better left back that can defend when needed. Another CB like Lovren would strengthen us immeasureably.

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S-Clarke

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All at sea today. This side is beginning to look distinctly limited an dthe better teams are finding us out. Disappointed in he coaches who seemed paralysed into inaction when we needed some fresh approach to get us moving. Only Lallana and Chambers can hold their heads high tonight, the rest were awful or ****ged out depending on your perspective. Ricky's whole body language was wrong from the get-go so assume he had a ding-dong with his missus yesterday, he was certainly absent on duty and seemingly in a foul mood all afternoon.

 

Or that we're missing 6 first teamers. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good betwet.

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Kingsland Red

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I am still able to stomach losing to Spurs and other top half clubs , as the home defeats to Rochdale and Brentford are still fresh in my mind, but I do wonder how NC is coping.

As expected, the gap between the top 6 and the rest in the top division is far greater than any differences between the various leagues and I wonder if he is still as confident a provincial team can bridge it with youth rather than an expensively assembled squad from all parts of the football world.

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As expected, the gap between the top 6 and the rest in the top division is far greater than any differences between the various leagues and I wonder if he is still as confident a provincial team can bridge it with youth rather than an expensively assembled squad from all parts of the football world.

 

Quite right - this is the nub of the issue.

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Weird post. What's he supposed to do? Magic away the injuries to Boruc, Fonte, Shaw, Wanyama, Clyne?

 

The squad isn't deep enough, and we've been punished for it at a time where we play all the big teams. We have to grin and bear it, as we don't have the squad to manage an injury crisis like this.

We're seeing that when having to work with the same players Adkins did at the start of last season MP is getting similar results and performances.
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70's Mike

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How we can judge this performance on its own ? We have **** loads of injuries, I think Gazzanigga is being scapegoated and Ramirez should play more often. Does anyone really think our full strength side would have lost today ?

totally agree about Gazza, he is 3rd choice and today had no protection down the left.

bigger worry for me is what has happen to Rickie, he has never had pace but his touch got him out of trouble, that seems to have deserted him, after saying that I would have taken 9th at Christmas back in August

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Charlie Wayman

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Or that we're missing 6 first teamers. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good betwet.

 

But it's the same for everyone and Spurs were not at full strength either. We are told continually that PL football is a squad game so it's no excuse that some regulars are out injured and other squad members have to step up. Truth is we are limited taking all that into account. Deal with real world facts old chum not your dreamworld facts. This is the team that we have for this season no amount of wishful thinking will change matters.

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But it's the same for everyone and Spurs were not at full strength either. We are told continually that PL football is a squad game so it's no excuse that some regulars are out injured and other squad members have to step up. Truth is we are limited taking all that into account. Deal with real world facts old chum not your dreamworld facts. This is the team that we have for this season no amount of wishful thinking will change matters.

 

The real world facts are that, while we do have a lack of depth (almost all PL teams do), nothing can really legislate for losing between 4 and 6 of them at the same time. And we've been missing three or four of the back five, the springboard for our early-season success, almost since the bad run started.

 

I still feel that - with all of today's poor individual performances, and with Fox in the side - if we had partnered Yoshida with Lovren we wouldn't have lost like that, we may not have lost at all, and we may even have won.

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Second half was the worst I've seen us in ages. Like many, when I heard the team I was worried but until their equaliser I thought we were very comfortable. One simple goal ( need to watch MOTD but thought gazzaniga should have claimed it) and it all changed. Never got to grips with adebayor, fox was covering jos at centre back half the time (I can't blame fox for any of the goals), cork was missing passes, lambert and Jrod not at the races at all, and once they bought on bentaleb they dominated the midfield. Really disappointing today, but chambers and lallana were the couple of bright spots. We need boruc, wanyama and shaw back urgently and have to sign a keeper and centre back in January if we are serious about Europe.

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The real world facts are that, while we do have a lack of depth (almost all PL teams do), nothing can really legislate for losing between 4 and 6 of them at the same time. And we've been missing three or four of the back five, the springboard for our early-season success, almost since the bad run started.

 

I still feel that - with all of today's poor individual performances, and with Fox in the side - if we had partnered Yoshida with Lovren we wouldn't have lost like that, we may not have lost at all, and we may even have won.

 

 

Is Yoshida in the Build Up gallery, no he isn't, he's probably not totally fit or on his way out. Doubt if he'll play for us again in the latter case.

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Second half was the worst I've seen us in ages. Like many, when I heard the team I was worried but until their equaliser I thought we were very comfortable. One simple goal ( need to watch MOTD but thought gazzaniga should have claimed it) and it all changed. Never got to grips with adebayor, fox was covering jos at centre back half the time (I can't blame fox for any of the goals), cork was missing passes, lambert and Jrod not at the races at all, and once they bought on bentaleb they dominated the midfield. Really disappointing today, but chambers and lallana were the couple of bright spots. We need boruc, wanyama and shaw back urgently and have to sign a keeper and centre back in January if we are serious about Europe.

 

 

The European ship has sailed for this season unless we win the Cup or lose in the final to a CL team. We're 10 points adrift now.

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Hooiveld has been increasingly reminding me of Andreas Jakobsson this season, I don't get why he is chosen over Yoshida let alone Fonte. It's getting to the point where he's costing a goal a game. Gazzaniga and Fox are both suspect but there's a reason why they are our 3rd choice GK and backup LB. Hooiveld shouldn't be anywhere near our first time and is a liability. 'Unlucky' own goals are unlucky until they start happening with regularity.

 

How did Gallagher do in the last 10-15 mins?

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Just in. Spurs took advantage of our left hand side where we were shocking. Fox has no positional sense. Joss is just poor. The real worry is that no of them have any faith in Gazza. Toward the end Lovren had his head in hands at Gazza not coming off his line.

Also thought Rickie & Davis were poor. Jay Rod was to easy to push around & walker just nudged him away.

Lallana, Chambers & Morgan did well.

If Clyne is fit, play Chambers left back. Basically anyone but Fox. Even though Yoshida was poo against Villa I would play him over Jos. Lastly I would play Cropper because the defence has list all confidence in Gazza.

Think MP needs to look at himself too. The 3rd goal came straight after Cork came off. Not sure why he took him off?

2points from 18 is poor & once again 3 goals from 3 shots on target!

We need a new keeper!!

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Is Yoshida in the Build Up gallery, no he isn't, he's probably not totally fit or on his way out. Doubt if he'll play for us again in the latter case.

 

Well, that would be two half-fit players on the bench today - Fonte and Yoshi - who would have been immeasurably better than a fully fit Jos. I would be surprised if Yoshi is unfit - he hasn't had much chance to become so, but I guess he may be on the way out of MP's reckoning. I'm finding some of MP's thinking harder and harder to understand with each passing week, but still support him.

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I'm not a full member so can't start a thread on this (though I'd appreciate it if someone feeling similarly could start one), but does anyone else think that it might be time to give Lovren the captaincy?

 

Its nothing whatsoever against Lallana at all, I just think that right now our back four could do with some clear, absolute authority and leadership and as such, giving the armband to Lovren might help with the number of ****-ups in communication in defence we've had recently.

 

Time and again our defenders seem to look at each other wondering who's making the decision (this is mainly down to the keeper but also Fox/Hooiveld being generally terrible) and when you look at Hooiveld he seems to look lost before putting his mouth about just purely to save face.

 

Furthermore he evidently has the confidence to put his mouth about and commands respect from the senior players: if you watch the video I've pasted below at about 10 seconds in Lovren comes over to Rickie and Adam to give instructions and you can tell that when he speaks the players are listening and value what he has to say.

 

As I say, Lallana's done nothing wrong at all its just that I really think that establishing more of a clear chain of command at the back is vital to us at least partially sorting out the mess we're in until Boruc/Shaw/Clyne and Fonte are back.

 

http://www.footytube.com/video/southampton-v-tottenham-hotspur-248059?ref=wv_relbox

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