CanadaSaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Iam happy with MP but was concerned last season that he did not see the flaws in Fox's game, i can only assume that Fonte is not 100% fit, as i will be concerned if Jos is still in the team Fox certainly has flaws and I'm no fan of his, but the majestic Lovren we've seen for most of the season would have provided more than adequate cover. What turns a challenge into a potential disaster is picking Jos - it introduces a long-proven error-prone defender, results in less than adequate cover for Fox, and causes Lovren to move to a side on which IMO he's less comfortable. One really bad managerial decision cost us that game because I think we could well have won it with a Yoshida/Lovren pairing at the back. The thing that makes it all the more inexplicable is that Pochettino supposedly saw quite a lot of us in the weeks before Adkins was fired, and had every opportunity to see what we've already seen - that the Jos and Fox pairing is a disaster waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Mopo has to take alot of blame for todays / recent performances / results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 has Jos got the Premier League record for most OGs yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 All I want is 2 defenders and a keeper. 10 points max until end Feb 2014 wont be good if Saints keep gambling at the back. We cant play our usual attacking high line with a dodgy defence and team have now worked out how Saints play and how to get shots on target. keep attacking our back and you will score eventually. Its a high risk game we play to score more than you let in!!!! I will settle for 10th with 50 points, but that still means 26 points to get, so do it the easy way with wins or the had way with lots of draws and a few wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 has Jos got the Premier League record for most OGs yet? I suspect he has a way to go before he reaches the achievements of Dunne and Carragher but in terms of ratio he may well be leading that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Saints are looking much better now. Decent keeper and defense. Oh sorry. Watching Swansea. Arf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 WHEN WILL MoPo will drop this useles wood N26?!!?!?!? He is useless, not good enough. Bring back Fonte and buy the solid CB this winter. We cannot reply on N26, Yoshida, etc for this vital position of CB! There is money in the bank, Mauricio, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!! We looked like we were playing with 10 men today. We did. Gazzaniga doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 **** off Jos. MP has to take the blame for today. Who in their right mind starts Jos over Fonte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 You could probably get away with either Fox and Jos playing if we had Wanyama there as protection, but playing together without Vic and we have no chance. To be fair most teams in world football would struggle to win a competitive game with them both in the starting XI, they are that bad. And when you throw in a keeper with very little ability and even less confidence and you've got a total calamity waiting to happen. So all things considered we did as well as could be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No idea why mopo took off Cork him and lallana were head Andy shoulders best players on the pitch - schnerderlin did not have a good game today he should of come off for jwp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 A couple more defeats and he won't even be considered for the Saints job, NC will axe him if we don't win any of our next 3. You certainly have to wonder about that and his substitutions today probably cost us the match, hence my suggestion he was perhaps making a point to NC about how bare bones we are. Poch has been good for us overall though and has got truly unlucky with the injury list he now has to cope with, just as we play all the best teams. Clearly, it would be madness for NC to even think about axing him at this juncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No idea why mopo took off Cork him and lallana were head Andy shoulders best players on the pitch - schnerderlin did not have a good game today he should of come off for jwp That was odd, mentioned it on the MT. Cork played very well today 3-4 very odd/confusing decisions today. Hopefully he (mopo) learns from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 MoPo's fault today. Shocking team selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 You certainly have to wonder about that and his substitutions today probably cost us the match, hence my suggestion he was perhaps making a point to NC about how bare bones we are. Poch has been good for us overall though and has got truly unlucky with the injury list he now has to cope with, just as we play all the best teams. Clearly, it would be madness for NC to even think about axing him at this juncture. no, the substitutions didn't cost us anything. The goalkeeper should have been subbed before the game started that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Perhaps he only likes bearded players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I believe Cortese and the Board have a decision to take now. We all agree that our first 14 are great, they are top of the Prem side. However, beyond that the players are Championship quality. So the decision is : A)little investment - accept we will be a lower half side fighting relegation most seasons or b) significant investment in Jan- sell/release half the squad and replace with quality players. Mr Cortese, the decision is yours. Hopefully if we can sell Ramirez for upwards of £10M, that will go a long way for Plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 (edited) On the brighter side, I see nothing to suggest that when the first team gets back together, they will have lost their core team control. The remaining fit players are, for the most part keeping their skills intact during this spell. Our return to a fully fit team would see us complaining about our final third again more than our woeful recent defence. I honestly believe that we will get back to what we were before the injuries. (Edit: I mean form-wise not in terms of league position) Edited 22 December, 2013 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Whats happened to our pressing game lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I believe Cortese and the Board have a decision to take now. We all agree that our first 14 are great, they are top of the Prem side. However, beyond that the players are Championship quality. So the decision is : A)little investment - accept we will be a lower half side fighting relegation most seasons or b) significant investment in Jan- sell/release half the squad and replace with quality players. Mr Cortese, the decision is yours. Hopefully if we can sell Ramirez for upwards of £10M, that will go a long way for Plan B. we won't sell Ramirez in January, loan out is about the only option there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I wouldn't sell Ramirez on today's showing. Was class. Played a ball that was a cut above and wanted the ball. Sell osvaldo if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No real comment, whilst Gazzaniga is in goal we cannot hope for much. Yes. He doesn't dominate his area enough. He's a good rookie goalkeeper. But we need the finished article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Have we ever kept a cleansheet in the PL with Hooiveld starting? well ..as you asked ..Last season we had (total) 7 clean sheets .....and Jos played in 5 of those matches. ..perhaps your judgement is overshadowed by the number of times that balls have struck him and gone in and he's been " credited " with own goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Whats happened to our pressing game lately? Lack of confidence from the stand-ins, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Whats happened to our pressing game lately? Happens in little pockets but I don't think the Manager has the confidence without his first choice keeper, defence and central midfield to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 (edited) Whats happened to our pressing game lately? the defence is too weak to support it, the DMs are having to play too deep because of our defensive frailties. Morgan was at left back for half of today's game, can't press in the centre circle when your LB is getting ripped apart. Our YC and injury situation can't be helping, we obviously need to get Morgan and Fonte through the Cardiff game without either getting a yellow because if we had to go to Everton without either or both of them we'd get a tonking. Edited 22 December, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Lost the midfield today. We lacked our usual passing discipline and gave the Spurs men opportunities to spread us across the pitch, which works hugely in their favour with a slower back four. Hooiveld and Fox were poor, but we should bear in mind they were up against one of the quickest moving and quickest thinking counterattacking teams in the league. Lovren struggled too. Must give them credit for their touch, skill and instinctive movement. They punished our deficiencies. I look forward to reading a tactical breakdown of the game, something wasn't quite right there and the substitutions were strange. To be honest the most disappointing part of today's game was seeing our back four yelling and arguing with one another. We conceded two abysmal goals but even under Adkins we stuck together as a group. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 well ..as you asked ..Last season we had (total) 7 clean sheets .....and Jos played in 5 of those matches. ..perhaps your judgement is overshadowed by the number of times that balls have struck him and gone in and he's been " credited " with own goals? My judgement is that Hooiveld is **** and miles out of his depth. Was a journeyman player in the poor Swedish and Dutch leagues and is very, very lucky to have played PL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Lallana and Chambers were excellent. Fox was his bang average self. Hooiveld is utter crap at this level. We have 0 strength in depth for CB. Ramirez needs to stop thinking he's the world's best player, he's a hell of a long way from living up to that pricetag. Lambert looked like he was carrying around 3 extra stone today, slow as anything. Played far too much long ball and then stupid constant cross-field balls which could be seen about a week before they were made. Full squad and we would have won, but we should have got at least a draw with the 18 players available. Hopefully this is the slap round the face MP needs to stick by Fonte and at least take a glance at the transfer window for defensive cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 These injuries are rapidly killing our season off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Lallana and Chambers were excellent. Fox was his bang average self. Hooiveld is utter crap at this level. We have 0 strength in depth for CB. Ramirez needs to stop thinking he's the world's best player, he's a hell of a long way from living up to that pricetag. Lambert looked like he was carrying around 3 extra stone today, slow as anything. Played far too much long ball and then stupid constant cross-field balls which could be seen about a week before they were made. Full squad and we would have won, but we should have got at least a draw with the 18 players available. Hopefully this is the slap round the face MP needs to stick by Fonte and at least take a glance at the transfer window for defensive cover. Don't see how you can moan at Ramirez. Wanted the ball and played a world class ball. Wasn't problem was a positive today and certainly not the problem today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 These injuries are rapidly killing our season off. Absolutely true. However, rather than dwell on the lack of squad depth, I acknowledge that it is early days back in the top flight, and the issue will have been recognised, and will be dealt with when the opportunities arise. We have not risen this far, this quickly without paying attention to detail and addressing issues like these as they become clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Its like going back to last season Gazza jos and fox all shocking players ! Lovren and chambers did ok. Cork was playing well so strange sub that was.6 games without a win now starting to look down instead of up! We need a goalie, cb and decent cover at left back. If we don't we could be dragged into a relegation scrap quite easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No idea why mopo took off Cork him and lallana were head Andy shoulders best players on the pitch - schnerderlin did not have a good game today he should of come off for jwpWho is this Andy Shoulders geezer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 no, the substitutions didn't cost us anything. The goalkeeper should have been subbed before the game started that's all. I get your disdain for Gazza, but due to injury we are left with a choice of third or fourth choice keeper and that's not a good position to be in and no one in their right mind would throw Cropper to the wolves, Gazza has considerable league experience compared to him. If Cropper played I would fear for your ticker TBH. Due to regulations we are unable to fix this problem until 1st Jan and I do hope we have someone lined up to come in on that day for reasons that, yes, Gazza is making abundantly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Whats happened to our pressing game lately? It could be that key cogs in our pressing game (and I include the full backs who provide the wide pressure) have been the ones on the injury table. It's also possible that the medical "powers that be" at the club have concluded that the bout of outfield injuries we've suffered lately is at least partly down to the pressing game and the physical toll it takes. I don't think Pochettino's pressing game is gone for good, but that we'll see it much more selectively. Actually, we did that last year because he only seemed to fully wheel it out against the top teams, which IMO accounted for our less than stellar performance against the weaker ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I thought we were atrocious today, but let's be honest - it's not really much of a surprise is it?? You cannot expect to get results in the PL when you have to start with Gazzainga, Jos and Fox in the defense. And to then add on horrendous displays by Lambert and Jay Rodriguez, we've not got a hope in hell. We were always going to have a spell like this, and our fixtures in recent weeks have kind of compounded things a little bit more. But overall, a club like us at this moment in time cannot absorb injuries to key players. I think table wise, we're there or there abouts for where we are. We're not anywhere near top 6, or top 4, we never were. A full 11 without injuries and suspensions - maybe, but a season doesn't work like that. Onto the next one then. No idea what to expect, we're going through a patch, let's not meltdown though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Don't see how you can moan at Ramirez. Wanted the ball and played a world class ball. Wasn't problem was a positive today and certainly not the problem today. Impressive how many times he was able to lose the ball in the time he was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I'm going to take the money I won from betting on a Spurs win and use it to buy a serrated blade to slit my wrists with. :-) Things MUST change at Cardiff. (Please!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 22 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Its like going back to last season Gazza jos and fox all shocking players ! Lovren and chambers did ok. Cork was playing well so strange sub that was.6 games without a win now starting to look down instead of up! We need a goalie, cb and decent cover at left back. If we don't we could be dragged into a relegation scrap quite easily. I could see why Cork came off - Knackered. Second half we were chasing shadows. Like for like player scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Having to play our 3rd choice keeper is only slightly better than having to field a lanky defender who fancies his talent in goal IMO. At this moment, Gazza is our best option and we have to deal with it. We really should get off his back and let him develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Having to play our 3rd choice keeper is only slightly better than having to field a lanky defender who fancies his talent in goal IMO. At this moment, Gazza is our best option and we have to deal with it. We really should get off his back and let him develop. I don't think you can say he's our best option, I'd be tempted to throw Croper in there. Or heck, even Toni Jimenez. He's that bad, he's not going to develop in my opinion. I see nothing in his game which suggest he's going to make a decent player, absolutely nothing. Even Lovren looked at him on a few occasions today with the expression of ''WTF?''. Zero command, zero strength, zero reading of the game, cannot save a thing.....bizarre lack of attributes for a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I get your disdain for Gazza, but due to injury we are left with a choice of third or fourth choice keeper and that's not a good position to be in and no one in their right mind would throw Cropper to the wolves, Gazza has considerable league experience compared to him. If Cropper played I would fear for your ticker TBH. Due to regulations we are unable to fix this problem until 1st Jan and I do hope we have someone lined up to come in on that day for reasons that, yes, Gazza is making abundantly obvious. But it's not a case of experience over inexperience, Gazza does absolutely feck all, every goal attempt has a decent chance of succeeding with him, he is just nothing at all, he has no effect on most games whatsoever compared to having a cardboard box in goal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Think a lot of posters need to get reality check. 9 th position. Looking very unlikely to be involved with a relegation battle and 3 big signings from being top 6 contenders. Even as we stand probably a top ten team this season. I'm not complaining at that. Of course am disappointed at losing today and our weakened team will struggle. I am sure the management know there are let's say 3 players in the team today that should not play in our team and as long as we can get ourselves in a position where we do not have to play them we will have an exciting few years ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I'm going to take the money I won from betting on a Spurs win and use it to buy a serrated blade to slit my wrists with. :-) Things MUST change at Cardiff. (Please!) My winnings paid for this..... No nom (silver lining) http://www.fortnumandmason.com/p-6977-christmas-hampers-the-christmas-feast-hamper.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I was pleasantly surprised to see Lallana's goal......up until then I didn't think we'd looked very enterprising....not enough to deserve the lead. I couldn't find much to complain about Fox today, but Shaw is " ill " more often than he is injured ? JWP has " gone off the boil " a bit, andalthough Chambers played well, but we still miss Clyne and Wanyama. Fonte is still on the bench and I don't think it's because of form. Bringing back injured players (e.g. Schneiderlin) doesn't mean that they are going to be MOM straight away. ...but our main problem IMHO is the absence of Boruc. I'm not sure that KD would be better than Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Think a lot of posters need to get reality check. 9 th position. Looking very unlikely to be involved with a relegation battle and 3 big signings from being top 6 contenders. Even as we stand probably a top ten team this season. I'm not complaining at that. Of course am disappointed at losing today and our weakened team will struggle. I am sure the management know there are let's say 3 players in the team today that should not play in our team and as long as we can get ourselves in a position where we do not have to play them we will have an exciting few years ahead of us. POST OF THE DAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I rarely see a post where people declare their crap bets. I wonder why anyone on this forum still needs a job, what with their incredible talent for gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 My judgement is that Hooiveld is **** and miles out of his depth. Was a journeyman player in the poor Swedish and Dutch leagues and is very, very lucky to have played PL football. I'm not going to disagree with that assessment, but it seems that the club doesn't share that opinion, or he'd have been out of the door in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I think recent results suggest we should be questioning the manager's performance, tactics and team selection. Make no mistakes, this isn't a crisis. We are doing OK. However, Pochettino has had a bad time recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 MoPo's fault today. Shocking team selection. Maybe injuries had a part to play in it eh? I'm sure he doesn't really believe Fox are Hooiveld are the best in their positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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