Stepgar Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Thought we were gash if Im honest. We looked well off the pace. First touch deserted us. POsitives Lallana (AGAIN) Thought Chambers did very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Barry, Glasgow and Alpwhine in 3.2.1....BEDWETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 (edited) Truly awful Cork, lallana and chambers did well... Others Edited 22 December, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Could have been embarrassing, SPURS were ones step ahead of us we didn't look the same side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 In short we have a top 8 first 11; and a CCC squad. Need to reset our targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Barry, Glasgow and Alpwhine in 3.2.1....BEDWETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Has Alpine contributed today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Truly aweful Cork, lallana and chambers did well... Others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatvianTolix Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 WHEN WILL MoPo will drop this useles wood N26?!!?!?!? He is useless, not good enough. Bring back Fonte and buy the solid CB this winter. We cannot reply on N26, Yoshida, etc for this vital position of CB! There is money in the bank, Mauricio, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 awful or aweful ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Yes we defended terribly, and too many players had bad games, Jay-rod and Davis in particular, but if Jay-Rod buried that chance to make it 2 0 it might all have been different. Their 2nd and 3rd goals came from ricochets, though to be fair, they tore us apart after the 3rd. Also, why did Lovren not close Soldado down quicker for their first ? The squad looks paper thin at the moment. We really do need a back-up centre half, and left back and GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Positives: Lallana, Chambers, Cork and Gallagher getting time on the pitch. Negatives: Gazzaniga and Hooiveld. Fox not great either, but not as bad as some say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 22 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2013 We looked like we were playing with 10 men today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 In short we have a top 8 first 11; and a CCC squad. Need to reset our targets. Yes I think you are right it is going to take time to build a good squad but feel £30m wasted on three players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 3rd to 9th in a few weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Didn't think we played too well as a team - as a unit - but unfortunately it was also punctuated with some poor individual performances. I would have hoped that Pochettino and his staff were aware by now that Hooiveld and Fox in the same team on the same side of defence is an utter disaster. I have no idea what they were expecting. They just aren't up to scratch as a pair. Nice guys but if the club are going to continue to talk about Europe then they need to get real with some of the players in the squad. We're still having a good season, but some of the issues with the depth and the balance of the squad are clearly evident right now. I just hope it is as clear to the club as it is to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 One first team player in the entire back 5, and it showed. We have a weakness in reserve, but then everyone knew that. Fox and Hooiveld just aren't Premier League class, neither is Gazzaniga IMO. And we really shouldn't have lost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 22 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Yes we defended terribly, and too many players had bad games, Jay-rod and Davis in particular, but if Jay-Rod buried that chance to make it 2 0 it might all have been different. Their 2nd and 3rd goals came from ricochets, though to be fair, they tore us apart after the 3rd. Also, why did Lovren not close Soldado down quicker for their first ? The squad looks paper thin at the moment. We really do need a back-up centre half, and left back and GK. No real danger so far out wide and no one closing the back four down in numbers. Still think Gazza should have claimed the cross. #bottled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 In short we have a top 8 first 11; and a CCC squad. Need to reset our targets. Yep well summed up. Been saying it for ages but some people thought our squad would not cost us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No real comment, whilst Gazzaniga is in goal we cannot hope for much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 The silver cloud is the 20 quid I put on a spurs win once I saw the lineup. 60 quid not to be sniffed at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 There were 3 players playing today who are quite clearly nowhere near good enough for this league. Everyone knows who they are. If we have any aspirations of being a top 8 side we need to bring in a left back, centre half and a goalkeeper in January pretty urgently. In reality we have a squad of 15 players good enough and we need 20 minimum. Really is that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Quite apart from the awful defending - Lovren excepted - it was the lack of creativity and run in attack that stood out. Two pieces of great skill by Lallana and a cameo from Ramirez at the end was about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Barry, Glasgow and Alpwhine in 3.2.1....BEDWETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Rather post something about the game fella. The WUMs will look after themselves as required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Pochettinos faith in Hooiveld is mind boggling, he's consistently appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Had more chances and possession than Spurs but undone by defensive frailties. We're a different proposition with Boruc, Shaw, Clyne and Fonte in the back 5 and Wanyama sitting in front of them. Onwards and upwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 (edited) Rather post something about the game fella. The WUMs will look after themselves as required. As opposed to the forum rules...? DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". It is usually very easy to spot, and offending threads will be locked or deleted. Edited 22 December, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Iam happy with MP but was concerned last season that he did not see the flaws in Fox's game, i can only assume that Fonte is not 100% fit, as i will be concerned if Jos is still in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 There were 3 players playing today who are quite clearly nowhere near good enough for this league. Everyone knows who they are. If we have any aspirations of being a top 8 side we need to bring in a left back, centre half and a goalkeeper in January pretty urgently. In reality we have a squad of 15 players good enough and we need 20 minimum. Really is that simple Lambert was awful as well, either hes not fit or have his legs have gone because he's not been the same player since his England call up. Their movement from their strikers was night and day. Feel sorry for Lallana and Chambers as they were superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I'll agree with everyone else on defence/goalkeeping, but there were at least positives to take from the game: - Lallana was clearly excellent, he was all over the pitch, a proper captain's performance. - Gallagher looked good when he came on, great run too late on. - Gaston showed flashes of class, although still failed to do some of the simple things. - Lovren we excellent as always, and more importantly was getting visibly frustrated at Hooiveld and Gazzanigga; if MoPo really was planning on signing nobody in January, I think Lovren may have a few words to say to him about that. - Fox wasn't actually too bad, I guess? - No horrendous refereeing decisions, which is a nice rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Jos Gazza Lambert were terrible Lallana, Morgan and gaston were good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Had more chances and possession than Spurs but undone by defensive frailties. We're a different proposition with Boruc, Shaw, Clyne and Fonte in the back 5 and Wanyama sitting in front of them. Onwards and upwards... I agree but why are the club going to keep talking about Europe if the depth in the squad can't cope with a 38 game season to the level required? I would much rather the club state their ambition but not put timelines on it. There is no way anyone at the club can think our squad is good enough over a 10 month season but they kept running their mouth so now they have to face the criticism that results like this brings. They can't have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Spurs 100% of shots on target resulted in goals. For Saints it was 40%. It's not all about the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No real comment, whilst Gazzaniga is in goal we cannot hope for much. This. Injuries have completely screwed us. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 No Boruc Clyne Fonte Shaw Wanyama Osvaldo That is a monumental amount of talent missing It's killing us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Rather post something about the game fella. The WUMs will look after themselves as required. I resent that, he is poking a stick and yet you join in, what have we done to deserve that? Bullying and classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I'll agree with everyone else on defence/goalkeeping, but there were at least positives to take from the game: - Lallana was clearly excellent, he was all over the pitch, a proper captain's performance. - Gallagher looked good when he came on, great run too late on. - Gaston showed flashes of class, although still failed to do some of the simple things. - Lovren we excellent as always, and more importantly was getting visibly frustrated at Hooiveld and Gazzanigga; if MoPo really was planning on signing nobody in January, I think Lovren may have a few words to say to him about that. - Fox wasn't actually too bad, I guess? - No horrendous refereeing decisions, which is a nice rarity. Lallana was offside for our second goal !! But that's not the ref's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I agree but why are the club going to keep talking about Europe if the depth in the squad can't cope with a 38 game season to the level required? I would much rather the club state their ambition but not put timelines on it. There is no way anyone at the club can think our squad is good enough over a 10 month season but they kept running their mouth so now they have to face the criticism that results like this brings. They can't have it both ways. I don't recall the club explicitly putting a timeframe on "european qualification".... yes, the players or manager will always answer "Why not?" when a journo asks them if we can qualify for Europe this year but that's just a neutral / non-committal answer and simply shows how positive the mindset of the players and manager is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 All I want for christmas is a goalkeeper & a centreback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I agree but why are the club going to keep talking about Europe if the depth in the squad can't cope with a 38 game season to the level required? I would much rather the club state their ambition but not put timelines on it. There is no way anyone at the club can think our squad is good enough over a 10 month season but they kept running their mouth so now they have to face the criticism that results like this brings. They can't have it both ways. Only people on this forum ever thought that surely? Hold on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2444164/Mauricio-Pochettino-Forget-Europa-League-Southampton-want-Champions-League.html Let the football do the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 What a difference 3 weeks make, ever since Chelseas first goal and Boruc was injured things just haven't gone our way. Huge injury list, defensive mistakes that we managed to avoid for the first 10 matches. I don't think that we have played too badly for most of the last 6 matches but this run of results can erode the confidence of the most spirited squads. Now Cardiff and Everton away followed by Chelsea at home !! Things could get worse before hopefully getting better. Recent run has parallels with the first MOPO matches followed by the limp end to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK8267 Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Oh well, bad day at the office, thought Danny Fox had a very good first twenty and either team could have won, Gallagher got some minutes. On to the next one which is winnable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Have we ever kept a cleansheet in the PL with Hooiveld starting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Disappointing stuff. Anyone know why Dani wasn't playing? Assuming Shaw had a knock and Clyne wasn't quite ready? Some positives -Lallana, Chambers and a goal from open play for Rickie. Too many negatives, though - Fox, Gazza and Jos the main ones. Surely Jos is going to be investigated soon by the match fixing investigation team with the rate of own goals he's getting? 4 in a season and a half and he's not even been a regular! Also, "how does the Fox play? Sh*t, Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t..." Merry Xmas all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Oh dear! Fox, Hooiveld and Gazza were very poor. Lovren started to lose the plot towards the end. Maybe a couple of half decent loans to replace those 3 and be back up is no bad thing. Lallana superb though. Rickie looked fed up, even after his goal. Anyone know if anything is going on with him in the background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 I thought gaston played well when he came on and played a world class pass and wanted the ball. Lallana was quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Disappointing stuff. Anyone know why Dani wasn't playing? - INJURY Assuming Shaw had a knock - THROAT INFECTION and Clyne wasn't quite ready? - CORRECT Also, "how does the Fox play? Sh*t, Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, sh*t..." - CREATED OUR FIRST GOAL (but apart from that.... ) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 We were poor, I expected nothing less. Am I worried? Not on the slightest. We know we have no good defensive back up, it highlights how far we are off 'the next level'. Boruc, Shaw and Clyne can't come back soon enough. Also, note to Roy Hodgson, book a plane ticket for Lallana to Brazil, you'd be stupid not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Can only assume that Poch is making a point (despite what he says) to NC that squad must be improved in January. Would be an insult to the Championship to say our defence today should play there. Okay, it was basically a reserve defence but lose starters to injury and that is all we are left with. This league has long since left Jos, Fox and Gazza behind and for that matter possibly Rickie too. The quality of opponent is simply beyond them and it would be pointless to wait until after the WC before strengthening. If we never had an injury we could win this league (maybe), but that doesn't happen and most of our second tier players don't belong in the PL. The top teams (who we are trying to emulate) certainly do have quality in reserve and can ride out periods such as we are having, whereas we cannot. On the bright side, I assume Poch is no longer being considered for the Spurs job .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 22 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2013 All I want for christmas is a goalkeeper & a centreback! Astori and Ceasar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Can only assume that Poch is making a point (despite what he says) to NC that squad must be improved in January. Would be an insult to the Championship to say our defence today should play there. Okay, it was basically a reserve defence but lose starters to injury and that is all we are left with. This league has long since left Jos, Fox and Gazza behind and for that matter possibly Rickie too. The quality of opponent is simply beyond them and it would be pointless to wait until after the WC before strengthening. If we never had an injury we could win this league (maybe), but that doesn't happen and most of our second tier players don't belong in the PL. The top teams (who we are trying to emulate) certainly do have quality in reserve and can ride out periods such as we are having, whereas we cannot. On the bright side, I assume Poch is no longer being considered for the Spurs job .... A couple more defeats and he won't even be considered for the Saints job, NC will axe him if we don't win any of our next 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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