Hooiveld vs Fonte

[brightspark]

Hooiveld's performance was a disgrace today. Big questions need to be asked of him and why Fonte is not a preferred option.

 

Is there anyone out there who can see a future for Jos at this level?

 

Why on earth is MP playing him over Fonte?

[Barry Sanchez]

There is no competition, you have to question Pochettino's knowledge you really do, Hooiveld and Fox got sold from the SPL (Celtic) for not being good enough that tells you something,

[Sheaf Saint]

Hooiveld's performance was a disgrace today. Big questions need to be asked of him and why Fonte is not a preferred option.

 

Is there anyone out there who can see a future for Jos at this level?

 

Why on earth is MP playing him over Fonte?

 

It's obvious that Fonte is still lacking in fitness otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Only a total simpleton could try and argue that Hooiveld is a better player.

[Joneth]

So is Fonte not injured then? I assumed that Jos playing meant he must be. If that's not the case then that is an absurd decision by Poch.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Some very strange decisions recently

[percy windham]

Nice to see Hooiveld popping up with an own goal today. He's not converted any recently, I was beginning to worry.

[badgerx16]

The thing I dread is losing Lovren - Fonte looks a better player alongside him, but perm any 2 of our CBs if he's not available -

[Olallana]

So is Fonte not injured then? I assumed that Jos playing meant he must be. If that's not the case then that is an absurd decision by Poch.

 

Of course he´s not fully fit, just the idiots on this forum that try to state other things to fit their pathetic agenda.

[obelisk]

Jos is well ahead on goals scored ... at the wrong end.

[dubai_phil]

Does Jos now hold the PL Own Goal record?

[CanadaSaint]

Of course he´s not fully fit, just the idiots on this forum that try to state other things to fit their pathetic agenda.

 

There's no sense playing Fonte if he's not fully fit, especially in a 4 games in 11 days spell.

 

But that's not the decision I'd question. It's the decision to play Jos when we need strength on that side to cover for Fox, especially if that means we have to move Lovren to the right. I'd much prefer to pair Yoshida and Lovren - even if Joshi didn't play that well against Villa; he's on a different planet to Jos, and that duo keeps Lovren where we most need him.

[Wiggles31]

Jos should not play for us again. Worst defender in the PL by light years. Surely Yoshida is better back up??

[Window Cleaner]

Jos should not play for us again. Worst defender in the PL by light years. Surely Yoshida is better back up??

 

 

I think you may find that Yoshida is on his way out. He wants to play and that's not going to happen, don't think MPo rates him.

He got a chance against Villa and was woeful.

[Wiggles31]

I think you may find that Yoshida is on his way out. He wants to play and that's not going to happen, don't think MPo rates him.

He got a chance against Villa and was woeful.

 

Not as woeful as Jos. Need to sign another CB.

[Saint Garrett]

If Yoshida isn't good enough then we need to buy another CB, there is no way that Jos should be first stand in at any prem club

[david in sweden]

The problem isn't just Hooiveld. Both he and Fonte are 30 years old in this coming year, although they are fair /reasonble in the air... they lack pace on the ground and it shows against a fast winger.

 

Lovren looks a league better than them, and although I concede that Fonte has been good this season, I think Lovren makes him look better than he is.

 

Our real problem is the lack of Boruc. Forgetting his impressions of Winnie the Pooh and Fred Astaire, he's much better between the posts, and TBF... I doubt if we'd have done better if KD had been fit.

[kwsaint]

Fonte is not fully fit and would not last 90 minutes. Hooiveld manages when we have a decent left back. But having Hooiveld, Fox and Gazzanigga was an accident waiting to happen.

 

At least Hooiveld tries. Fox packed in mid way through the second half

[S-Clarke]

If we don't sign a new CB in January then the talk of us doing anything this year (i.e ''it's happening'') is nothing but utter waffle.

[derry]

I believe Fonte has an ankle problem, Shaw sent home with sore throat.

[beatlesaint]

Jos, Yoshida, Fox. I would get rid of all in January if any mug is fool enough to take them.

[hypochondriac]

If we don't sign a new CB in January then the talk of us doing anything this year (i.e ''it's happening'') is nothing but utter waffle.

 

Jos has needed replacing for two years.

[CanadaSaint]

Jos, Yoshida, Fox. I would get rid of all in January if any mug is fool enough to take them.

 

I don't get why Yoshida is being grouped in with Jos and Fox. He's played some good, composed games for us but his lack of playing time didn't help him against Villa. That's no reason to consign him to the same fate as two players who are palpably out of their depth. If Yoshi had been Lovren's right-side partner today we may well have seen a very different result IMO.

[Dig Dig]

I believe Fonte has an ankle problem, Shaw sent home with sore throat.

 

Shaw's immune system is ****e

[Window Cleaner]

So is Fonte not injured then? I assumed that Jos playing meant he must be. If that's not the case then that is an absurd decision by Poch.

 

 

Fonte is obviously not right, don't think he appears on the training pics at all. He's also on 4 yellows and we probably just don't have anyone else to put on the bench. Virtually all of our players without major injuries were in the 18 today. Shaw being ill again just caused us one more concern, we are scraping the barrel just now.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I heard today that there is a sickness bug going through the club and that certain players had been rested to protect them ahead of a busy period. Dunno how true, but seems likely. Apart from the OG (which could have happened to anyone) - I thought Jos had an OK game TBH.

[Window Cleaner]

I heard today that there is a sickness bug going through the club and that certain players had been rested to protect them ahead of a busy period. Dunno how true, but seems likely. Apart from the OG (which could have happened to anyone) - I thought Jos had an OK game TBH.

 

 

I'd have to look at it again but from what I saw i'd say the OG is more a problem of the keeper not stopping the cross as Jos would have expected him to do, it just hits him and goes in afterwards.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I'd have to look at it again but from what I saw i'd say the OG is more a problem of the keeper not stopping the cross as Jos would have expected him to do, it just hits him and goes in afterwards.

 

Yep - hate to single out a particular player, but today Gazzanogood cost us big time.

[S-Clarke]

I heard today that there is a sickness bug going through the club and that certain players had been rested to protect them ahead of a busy period. Dunno how true, but seems likely. Apart from the OG (which could have happened to anyone) - I thought Jos had an OK game TBH.

 

Seriously? He was a shambles. He made Adebayor look like Bale.

[CanadaSaint]

Come on, guys, you don't have to invent blame for Gazzaniga. He wasn't at all good again today but he didn't have much chance with that OG - it was through him pretty much before he could move. I'm still trying to figure out WTF Jos was doing there anyway, given that he was supposed to be playing on the left side of the middle two. With Jos in the back four, all notion of positional play goes down the sh*tter - and any (slim) chance that Gazza could have claimed that hard-and-low went with it.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'd have to look at it again but from what I saw i'd say the OG is more a problem of the keeper not stopping the cross as Jos would have expected him to do, it just hits him and goes in afterwards.

 

I've just looked at in and Jos definitely stabs his right foot at the ball. If he had just stood there the ball would have missed him.

[Dark Munster]

Jos, Yoshida, Fox. I would get rid of all in January if any mug is fool enough to take them.

 

[kpturner]

I'd have to look at it again but from what I saw i'd say the OG is more a problem of the keeper not stopping the cross as Jos would have expected him to do, it just hits him and goes in afterwards.

Gazza covered his near post as you'd expect. The ball was pulled back and Hooiveld toe-poked it past him - it didn't just hit him. If he was a striker you would class it as a great instinctive finish

[Viking Saint]

Fonte is not fully fit and would not last 90 minutes. Hooiveld manages when we have a decent left back. But having Hooiveld, Fox and Gazzanigga was an accident waiting to happen.

 

At least Hooiveld tries. Fox packed in mid way through the second half

 

Fox spent the entire game tucked tightly in alongside Hooiveld, exposing a huge amount of space for Spurs to exploit....I disagree with Hooiveld trying, he'd given up with half an hour to go, got beaten at one point and simply stopped and gave up....embarrassing to see a performance like that from a Saints player....on the whole, today was appalling, only a couple of players looked like they were vaguely up for it, and people need to stop banging on about Ramirez's 'world class' pass to Lallana, one decent pass is the least we should be expecting from a player of his calibre...

[kpturner]

Yep - hate to single out a particular player, but today Gazzanogood cost us big time.

He definitely makes me go into a cold sweat, but I could not fault him for any of the goals at the stadium, and now I have watched the goals again on Sky Plus I still cannot lay the blame at his door. The first was a fantastic finish by Adebayor. The second was toe-poked past him at point blank range by Hooiveld. The third was just shocking defending - especially by Fox who let Adebayor go, and even then it was bad luck that the shot went through Lovren's legs. Edited 22 December, 2013 by kpturner

[SaintSteve]

There is nothing wrong with Fonte.. has been dropped for a reason only MP can explain.. probably in Spanish cos an English version would make no sense whatsoever

[GAS]

I'd have to look at it again but from what I saw i'd say the OG is more a problem of the keeper not stopping the cross as Jos would have expected him to do, it just hits him and goes in afterwards.

Its an own goal pure and simple. Nothing to do with Gazza. He pokes it past Gazza. He is a very poor defender and should be replaced.

[Andre]

As with Gazzaniga, he is unfortunately still the best cover we have. No depth.

[Saints foreva]

I believe Fonte has an ankle problem, Shaw sent home with sore throat.

 

 

****ing hell.

[Turkish]

It's obvious that Fonte is still lacking in fitness otherwise he would be a shoe-in. Only a total simpleton could try and argue that Hooiveld is a better player.

 

Plenty of people did just that in the championship. I remember several times saying I didn't rate Hoolivled and he was error prone. People said he was better than Fonte and when I pointed out that they didn't gel as a pair and that Fonte looked poorer because Hooliveld wasn't a good centre half I was told I was trolling. Hooliveld was a late window panic buy when we failed to land a number of our targets, we got away with it in the championship but it was pretty evident even then he wasn't up to the premier league. But people liked him because he clapped the fans, got a couple to goals and put a few funny things on twitter. Anyone that pointed out he wasn't a very good defender felt the fury of the forum.

[melmacian_saint]

 

Lovren looks a league better than them, and although I concede that Fonte has been good this season, I think Lovren makes him look better than he is.

 

 

Does he? I think that having a good understanding with Fonte is what makes Lovren be so good. He doesn't look bad without him, today he still looked ok, but anything south of Cork just looks tidier with both.

You seem to be running out of things to throw at Fonte just like you have for the last 1.5 years so you now resort to pretty much saying they are the same person.

[Lighthouse]

Don't see the problem with Yoshida, I thought he was our best defender last season. Given a run of games in our first choice defence, I think he would do as well as Fonte.

 

Having said that, Poch doesn't appear to rate him so I would hope for a replacement in January.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Hooiveld is worth a goal a game to the opponents. Really needs to sort himself out or ship out.

[110_Persaint]

MoPo is a muppet.

 

I don't blame Fox. I don't blame Jos. I don't blame Gazza.

 

MoPo is a muppet.

[david in sweden]

Fonte is not fully fit and would not last 90 minutes. Hooiveld manages when we have a decent left back. But having Hooiveld, Fox and Gazzanigga was an accident waiting to happen.

 

At least Hooiveld tries. Fox packed in mid way through the second half

 

 

RIGHT ! It's easy enough to replace one .or even two players when there are injuries /suspensions, but Jos and Fox DAJFU when we were in the Chapionship and last season we saw their limitations.

 

At times yesterday, we looked like a Championship side - at the back. Lovren and Chambers were a level above the others.

 

I won't continue to slate Gazzaniga.... but my opinion hasn't changed since I first saw him play a year ago.