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Morgan Schneiderlin for England

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DuncanRG

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What a humble guy Lallana is. You can tell he's over the moon that the club is doing so well and that he's been allowed a part in it.

 

I don't have much of an opinion on Morgan playing for England, but he'd be a boost to the team for sure.

Graffito

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Is he not intelligible as he has already represented France U-21's?

 

Not sure but Ryan Giggs switched from England to Wales because his dad was mean to his mum.

Gemmel

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Not sure but Ryan Giggs switched from England to Wales because his dad was mean to his mum.

 

Football myth... he could never have played for England even if he wanted too.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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'Twas a joke....obviously.

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The U21 thing though; that matters not a jot. There have been various players that have played for one country at U21 level only to represent another country at full international level. Kevin Prince-Boateng being one, playing for pretty much every German youth level before going off to play for Ghana at full level.

 

 

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CB Fry

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I have no interest in Morgan playing for England. I suspect he doesn't either. Let's hope he does enough to get in the French 22 come the summer.

Graffito

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I have no interest in Morgan playing for England. I suspect he doesn't either. Let's hope he does enough to get in the French 22 come the summer.

 

He wants to play for France no doubt. Agreeing that your club captain suggest publicly that you might not be averse to playing for England when the 5 years is up might just sow a seed of doubt in the France manager 's mind that he could lose him and lead to selection in a friendly. No harm done anyway. After all MS didn't say it.

Barry the Badger

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I wonder if they should become stricter on the nationality laws in football. You can play for the country that you spent the majority of your first five years in, and no other.

 

Probably a human rights contravention or some other such ********.

Batman

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Spain, who probably need to do this the least, are going to get Diego Costa to play for them rather than his own country.

 

what chance does anyone have if the very top nations are at it

shirleysfc

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Football myth... he could never have played for England even if he wanted too.

 

Surely he would have qualified to play for England the same way as Morgan can. He moved to England as a kid and would have qualified after five years?

iansums

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Did you watch the Liverpool game yesterday, Henderson was unbelievable.

 

I love to see Henderson do well just to shut up all those people who slag off younger players before giving them a proper chance. Morgan and JRod being good examples.

Smirking_Saint

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Did you watch the Liverpool game yesterday, Henderson was unbelievable.

 

Henderson has always been a decent player, was in top form at Sunderland before king kenny tried his best to ruin him.

 

Cleverley is a strange one, on the one hand he looks as though he has a good engine, two good feet and decent vision but despite his industry he just never seems to influence games.

Window Cleaner

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Henderson has always been a decent player, was in top form at Sunderland before king kenny tried his best to ruin him.

 

Cleverley is a strange one, on the one hand he looks as though he has a good engine, two good feet and decent vision but despite his industry he just never seems to influence games.

 

 

Saw Henderson yesterday, had a really good game, I just can't help feeling that Liverpool are far better off without Gerrard, they certainly look more dynamic, mind you Cardiff were non-existent in midfield most of the time. Perhaps England would be better off without him as well. Whilst I doubt Morgan's eligibility to play for England because of the Home Nation's agreement

I really don't think he has an earthly chance of a France call up at any time in the next couple of years because the FFF seem to have him on ignore and DD will continue with his big club orientated selection policy for the foreseeable future.

melmacian_saint

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Danny fox played for England U21 and jumped ship to Scotland

 

I don't think you would see Morgan do the same though. All hype to make the French coach give him a cap I expect

 

Danny Fox and other mediocre likes such as Sean St.Ledger and Russel Martin are losers which is why they have to switch allegiance to other home nations to feel important.

 

Funny that Gary Neville complains from the lack of English players in PL sides, but then every year a good number of them switch allegiances based on remote links of the family tree to play for a national side. Maybe start by tackling this too??

GAS

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Henderson has always been a decent player, was in top form at Sunderland before king kenny tried his best to ruin him.

 

Cleverley is a strange one, on the one hand he looks as though he has a good engine, two good feet and decent vision but despite his industry he just never seems to influence games.

Wait until Henderson plays for England, you will see how mediocre he is.
david in sweden

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Is he not intelligible as he has already represented France U-21's?

 

If I recall, FIFA / UEFA ruling is that players can " change " affiliation even after playing at U21 level, but not after being given a full cap. So at least (theoretically) it's possible - if you can understand that.

 

However, I think this is a " PR thing " meant to be a wake-up call for the French... rather than to draw him to the attention of Roy Hodgson. ( I don't think he would choose England, though)

 

Nigel Quashie (who could forget him - no matter how hard you might try) ......played U21 for England and then was later capped for Scotland.... (by virtue of Tony Cascarino's grandmother.)

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krissyboy31

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He's not eligible but don't let facts stop a pointless debate.
Will be next season, whether he should be is another debate. Craig Johnston, Tony Dorigo and John Barnes all played for England on residency qualifications.
The Kraken

The Kraken

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Will be next season, whether he should be is another debate. Craig Johnston, Tony Dorigo and John Barnes all played for England on residency qualifications.

He may be eligible, but unless the Home Nations change their agreement he'll never get picked.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Did that matter when Pat van den Hauwe played for Wales?

 

Read the link I posted and you'll understand more. 2009 was the latest iteration of the agreement, so whatever Pat van den Hauwe and his mates went through has been thoroughly superseded.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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To save people reading through a whole article, here's why (despite the huge media clamour) Adnan Januzaj can't actually play for England (and also why Morgan can't do under the current agreement).

 

In October 2013, England manager Roy Hodgson stated that The FA were monitoring the player with a view to calling him up in the future. However, despite widespread press coverage, Januzaj would not meet the requirements to play for England under the unique rules set out in the Home Nations agreement. The Home Nations agreement requires that players engage in a minimum of five years of education before the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association and do not offer national team eligibility through residency.
krissyboy31

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To save people reading through a whole article, here's why (despite the huge media clamour) Adnan Januzaj can't actually play for England (and also why Morgan can't do under the current agreement).
lf England really want to pick a player, then they will do so. Gentleman's agreement or not and if Januzaj is still available when he qualifies, you just watch them pick him!
The Kraken

The Kraken

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lf England really want to pick a player, then they will do so. Gentleman's agreement or not and if Januzaj is still available when he qualifies, you just watch them pick him!

OK then :facepalm:

Smirking_Saint

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OK then :facepalm:

 

I can see Krissys point, although Im sceptical it will happen. I believe it only takes the four nations to agree to his eligiability.

 

There have been players since 2009 that England seriously thought about offering caps to

The Kraken

The Kraken

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I can see Krissys point, although Im sceptical it will happen. I believe it only takes the four nations to agree to his eligiability.

 

There have been players since 2009 that England seriously thought about offering caps to

 

I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it did change in that regard; solely for the fact that, since its inception in 1993, the agreement has only got more and more strict. Only in 2009 was it brought in that foreigners with no "grandparents rule" relatives could play for any of the home nations (except for the 5 year pre-18 residency rule, which is fair). But I think all of the home nations see it as a vital agreement to keep integrity and not ride roughshod over each other; and for that and other reasons I think its a good rule, I like that we have it.

 

I'm constantly amazed that the likes of the England manager and seemingly all of the British press and Sky pundit team don't ever seem to know about/reference this agreement The Januzaj debate rumbled on for days and not once did I see a press writer or TV pundit say "well, of course, there would have to be a major change in the rules for him to play for England".

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Smirking_Saint

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The other thing is I agree, I dont want to see them play for England, as good as they are they are not english and their inclusion will only end up damaging England progressing any youngsters into the senior side

Hopkins

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lf England really want to pick a player, then they will do so. Gentleman's agreement or not and if Januzaj is still available when he qualifies, you just watch them pick him!

 

No they won't. The other home nations would have to agree to allow him to be picked and there is very little reason for them to do that.

 

1) It would mean it becomes a free for all. England would get the best players and further widening the gap between them and other home nations.

2) FIFA (Remember that they implement this rule. It's only a gentlemans agreement in name. They too would have to agree to it being changed) would seriously look at turning us into a GB team. That wouldn't benefit any home nation.

3) It hasn't been changed for other home nations when they have wanted players (Nacho Novo springs to mind) so why would they change it for us to pick Schneiderlin or Januzaj?

 

If it does ever get changed it would have to be for a seriously talented footballer and not Morgan or Januzaj.

skintsaint

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1) I think it would improve the other 'home' nations if this rule was scrapped..bigger pool of players and all that.

2) GB Team, err no. Other nations 'nationalise' players all the time.

3) It Wouldnt.

krissyboy31

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The other thing is I agree, I dont want to see them play for England, as good as they are they are not english and their inclusion will only end up damaging England progressing any youngsters into the senior side

 

I hundred percent agree with this but the problem is many of our competitors don't see it as an issue and at some point we are going to have a "if you can't beat them!" attitude. Already had it for years in cricket and the 2 rugby codes so I am convinced it will come to football and sooner rather than later.

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