Barry Sanchez Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422 Completely agree, we need this as the atmosphere is sterile and dying a death in most Premiership stadiums, the tail wagging to dog I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Shame the Trust fell to bits, BBC had to scour the internet for a fans forum to get an opinion...and ended up with Vital Saints. Steve, does this site need a new PR manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Trouble is with the blame culture that exists in this country along with the Health & Safety risk aversion rounding off of every sharp corner in the land, no one is going put their name to announcing that standing can return to the terraces while the Spectre of Hillsborough is still lurking in the room. Even though examples and safety barriers already exist successfully elsewhere, by the time the working party and the various committees set up to assess the safe implementation of standing have rubber stamped it most of those standing in the Northam this Sunday will be of an age where sitting down will be their preferred option when attending games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Bump. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45024-Safe-Standing-Back-In-The-News Good to see it's not going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422 Completely agree, we need this as the atmosphere is sterile and dying a death in most Premiership stadiums, the tail wagging to dog I feel. Whilst not disagreeing with you, I must ask. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Whilst not disagreeing with you, I must ask. How do you know? hahahha very subtle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Standing is ok when tall people are at the back and the more vertically challenged towards the front, which can never happen. I'm ok Jack, I'm tall, but t'others aren't, and they don't get to see all the key moments of the game. But they do get the 'away' atmosphere. So long as the ground separates standing and sitting sections - and enforces no standing in the sitting areas, I've no objection and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 I'm just under 2m tall eelpie, so I know exactly what you're referring to. Doubt many young'uns (i.e. younger than 14) would go in the safe standing areas anyway were they to be introduced, and as for short people - buy some stilts. I would love to see safe standing implemented at SMS - but only in the Northam end and the Kingsland/Itchen corners connecting to it. Got to have an option for people who still want to sit as they currently do and it would be cheaper for the club to only replace certain areas of seating. Would also mean increased capacity at that end and more scope for expansion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 I'm just under 2m tall eelpie, so I know exactly what you're referring to. Doubt many young'uns (i.e. younger than 14) would go in the safe standing areas anyway were they to be introduced, and as for short people - buy some stilts. I would love to see safe standing implemented at SMS - but only in the Northam end and the Kingsland/Itchen corners connecting to it. Got to have an option for people who still want to sit as they currently do and it would be cheaper for the club to only replace certain areas of seating. Would also mean increased capacity at that end and more scope for expansion too. It would not mean more scope for expansion because standing seats are worth jack all to the club. They would have at least the same income from the standing areas as they would from seated area that was there before it. All you may achieve is to get a few thousand more in the ground... eating into what an expansion could deliver. So far less likely to get an expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Yay, let's bring back racist chanting and casual violence too whilst we're at it. Football has never been safer; that's something to certainly stand up and shout about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Whilst not disagreeing with you, I must ask. How do you know? Because I go to quite a few premiership games a year. You are a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Bazza, you can stand up in your living room as much as you want pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 (edited) Standing per se was never 'unsafe'. Hillsborough was a disaster created by poor policing and subsequently covered up by corrupt policing. Laws made in knee-jerk reactions are almost invariably bad laws, and the requirement for all seated stadia was one of the classics, and is widely accepted as such. To suggest that standing areas returning will also lead to casual violence and racist chanting is patently absurd. I never met anyone who became more violent or racist when stood as opposed to adopting the seated position! Edited 22 December, 2013 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Standing per se was never 'unsafe'. Hillsborough was a disaster created by poor policing and subsequently covered up by corrupt policing. Laws made in knee-jerk reactions are almost invariably bad laws, and the requirement for all seated stadia was one of the classics, and is widely accepted as such. To suggest that standing areas returning will also lead to casual violence and racist chanting is patently absurd. I never met anyone who became more violent or racist when stood as opposed to adopting the prone position! This^^^ exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Standing per se was never 'unsafe'. Hillsborough was a disaster created by poor policing and subsequently covered up by corrupt policing. Laws made in knee-jerk reactions are almost invariably bad laws, and the requirement for all seated stadia was one of the classics, and is widely accepted as such. To suggest that standing areas returning will also lead to casual violence and racist chanting is patently absurd. I never met anyone who became more violent or racist when stood as opposed to adopting the prone position! A sensible solution would be to make say a third of the stadium safe standing and the rest seating or a proportion like that. clearly the whole stadium standing would be problematic (e.g. kids, elderly, those who like their own personal space) but I agree. Racist chanting has fallen dramatically since the 80s. Crowd behaviour, on the whole, is much better, safer and open to more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 All people are asking for is standing areas behind the goal ends again. Of course the rest can keep their seats. Anfield would get the Kop proper back, Arsenal the North Bank and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Cheap standing seats meaning more fans, people who were priced out being able to attend again, a wider reach and a new generation locked in. I fail to see the downside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Standing per se was never 'unsafe'. Hillsborough was a disaster created by poor policing and subsequently covered up by corrupt policing. Laws made in knee-jerk reactions are almost invariably bad laws, and the requirement for all seated stadia was one of the classics, and is widely accepted as such. To suggest that standing areas returning will also lead to casual violence and racist chanting is patently absurd. I never met anyone who became more violent or racist when stood as opposed to adopting the seated position! Most sensible post I've read on here for a while. Don't see us getting standing, if it were allowed again, at St Marys until after expansion so we could still get as much money from seating so we would re-coup ticket money from lower prices in standing areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 Cheap standing seats meaning more fans, people who were priced out being able to attend again, a wider reach and a new generation locked in. I fail to see the downside? I really doubt if it were to happen the standing tickets would be much cheaper unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 22 December, 2013 Share Posted 22 December, 2013 All people are asking for is standing areas behind the goal ends again. Of course the rest can keep their seats. Anfield would get the Kop proper back, Arsenal the North Bank and so forth. There is NO way Anfield would get the Kop back. As a club they are 100% behind keeping seating. If Safe Standing is allowed many clubs will go for a small section as a test, but Liverpool will not. They have already stated such. Personally I think it could and should be brought in and could, if managed correctly, provide both an atmospheric and financial boast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Football League set to lobby the government for safe standing areas: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/championship/10623219/Football-League-to-lobby-Government-in-major-move-for-safe-standing-areas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 It's time; let's have apostrophes. Please? On topic, I'm too young to have ever been to a game with standing and don't really see a problem with seating, although the stature of some football fans would suggest that less sitting would be a good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 It's time; let's have apostrophes. Please? On topic, I'm too young to have ever been to a game with standing and don't really see a problem with seating, although the stature of some football fans would suggest that less sitting would be a good thing! plenty of standing in league 1 With the automatic turnstiles we'd never get overcrowding in a section which was the biggest issue at Hillsborough, crowd control is the issue. If you return to standing areas, properly designed , then you need to control access, unlike at Hillsborough where they just opened the gates and the fans poured in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 my worry about standing is will we be packed in like cattle like the old days ,i for one don,t see the need to bring it back when you can get a great view of st marys and i think its much safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 All people are asking for is standing areas behind the goal ends again. Of course the rest can keep their seats. Anfield would get the Kop proper back, Arsenal the North Bank and so forth.and what do you do at st marys at the northam end has its the away end,do you give the section behind the goal to the aay supporters has you clearly can,t have both supporters mingle in the away end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Im too young to remmeber standing up, but i love a good sit down with a tea and to stand now and then. Is standing up really all that good? Personally I will take a chair anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 (edited) The only way i can see a small element of it happening is with the rail seating idea. That would keep a lot of the safety of the all seater notion(allocated seat per person) whilst actually being safer providing the rail to stand against. Still don't see it happening anytime soon because Hillsborough groups will likely oppose even if evidence shows it'll be safer in reality. Edited 7 February, 2014 by Baird of the land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 my worry about standing is will we be packed in like cattle like the old days ,i for one don,t see the need to bring it back when you can get a great view of st marys and i think its much safer. It would be nothing like the 'old days', safe standing is not a stand-where-you-like situation, as Baird says, it's an allocated space, exactly as it is with a seat (which would also include a seat for games where no standing (Europe) is allowed). and what do you do at st marys at the northam end has its the away end,do you give the section behind the goal to the aay supporters has you clearly can,t have both supporters mingle in the away end. Why can't it be segregated? It would be no different to now. but i love a good sit down. That's fine but you'd just have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I can't see how anyone can campaign against safe standing, if you don’t like it stay in the seats but don’t stop others having what they want. Wanting to stand is counter intuitive, but it just feels right; raising your body up slightly on your toes as we attack, arching your neck as the team progresses down the other wing, a little further stretch as the ball is crossed in and a sigh and body deflation as the ball to smashed into row z. IMO football as it’s meant to be watched bouncing on your toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 safe standing is not going to happen any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 It would be nothing like the 'old days', safe standing is not a stand-where-you-like situation, as Baird says, it's an allocated space, exactly as it is with a seat (which would also include a seat for games where no standing (Europe) is allowed). It makes sense to provide an allocated space but this then denies supporters to move position to meet up with their mates as used to be the situation on the terraces. Notwithstanding this, am I right to assume that providing a standing area will not actually increase capacity? In my recollection step depth for the old terraces was possibly half that of the current arrangement for seats which have to provide for suitable site lines I often find myself wondering what the capacity of St Marys would have been if both ends had been built with terracing to the standard of the 1940's/1950's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 Should anybody wish to stand in a segregated area let them. Not me though, I prefer comfort these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25136422 Completely agree, we need this as the atmosphere is sterile and dying a death in most Premiership stadiums, the tail wagging to dog I feel.I agree too. It also gets the all ****ers - who don't give a sod about the poor old buggers with arthritic hips or knees and who can't stand up for 90 minutes - off to another part of the stadium so the rest of us can actually watch the game in comfort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I agree too. It also gets the all ****ers - who don't give a sod about the poor old buggers with arthritic hips or knees and who can't stand up for 90 minutes - off to another part of the stadium so the rest of us can actually watch the game in comfort I think that post is so true and the atmosphere will never go back to the old days has those who go to football nowdays are a different breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I loved Peterborough away when we got promoted and it was brilliant to introduce my lad to a terrace. Surely to have a standing area in the stadium for those that choose to stand is sensible? Mind you it would remove the entertainment value of watching the stewards trying to make people sit down in the Northam all game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I agree too. It also gets the all ****ers - who don't give a sod about the poor old buggers with arthritic hips or knees and who can't stand up for 90 minutes - off to another part of the stadium so the rest of us can actually watch the game in comfort I think there should be a part of the stadium where you can bring your own seats. I'd bring my wing-backed leather armchair and velveteen pouffe. Or maybe a trampoline. Or maybe a jacuzzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I'd love to stand at football by choice. One of the reasons I prefer away games is that everyone stands. It would also allow the codgers the option to sit and watch unhindered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 7 February, 2014 Share Posted 7 February, 2014 I think the point about persistent standing currently raises a good point. Imo, it's far far more dangerous having a barrier that is up to your knee (the seat in front) than one that is up to your chest. And if you have safe standing than no-one will complain. You have half the stadium standing and half sitting and you book your seat accordingly. It's the choice factor for me that is why it should return. It will take one hell of a lobby to go through though. A tory government approaching an election won't want to upset anyone anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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