trousers Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 David Conn @david_conn Vincent Tan at #ccfc financing big losses at the club with loans; £37m at last accounts; he charges 7% interest, not bad at current rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Bonkers situation, but Mackay will be fine. Didn't he play for west ham ... ? And Norwich. One of those two jobs will become available in the coming months, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Surely that's not legal? what's not legal? asking him to resign or sacking him or telling him he will be sacked if he doesn't resign? I don't see the problem If the only consequence of not resigning is being sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Will be good to see who replaces him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 has their chief scout painter guy got his work permit yet? He would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 he'd be better off out of there... wait to be sacked, have a rest and takeover West Brom or Tottenham even.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Solskjaer seems to be the front runner according to the bookmakers. Followed by Yilmaz Vural (who?) and Robert Jarni (who?). Am I cruel for finding Cardiff's predicament somewhat humourous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Followed by Yilmaz Vural (who?) Just took a look at his management record... 1986–1988 Malatyaspor 1988–1989 Antalyaspor 1989 Samsunspor 1989–1990 Bursaspor 1990–1991 Karşıyaka S.K. 1991 Adanaspor 1991–1993 Bursaspor 1993–1994 Gaziantepspor 1995–1996 Eskişehirspor 1996–1997 Sarıyer 1997 Trabzonspor 1997–1998 Gençlerbirliği 1998–1999 Konyaspor 1999 Dardanelspor 1999–2000 Bursaspor 2000–2001 Denizlispor 2001 Diyarbakırspor 2003–2004 Adanaspor 2004 Çaykur Rizespor 2005 Ankaragücü 2005–2007 Antalyaspor 2008 Manisaspor 2008–2009 Kocaelispor 2009–2010 Kasımpaşa S.K. 2011 Konyaspor 2012 Sakaryaspor 2012–2013 Elazığspor Stability then, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Robert Jarni (who?) name ringed a bel for me from the early days of CM, possibly CM Italia. apparently later signed for coventry and moved on to real madrid before playing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Just took a look at his management record... 1986–1988 Malatyaspor 1988–1989 Antalyaspor 1989 Samsunspor 1989–1990 Bursaspor 1990–1991 Karşıyaka S.K. 1991 Adanaspor 1991–1993 Bursaspor 1993–1994 Gaziantepspor 1995–1996 Eskişehirspor 1996–1997 Sarıyer 1997 Trabzonspor 1997–1998 Gençlerbirliği 1998–1999 Konyaspor 1999 Dardanelspor 1999–2000 Bursaspor 2000–2001 Denizlispor 2001 Diyarbakırspor 2003–2004 Adanaspor 2004 Çaykur Rizespor 2005 Ankaragücü 2005–2007 Antalyaspor 2008 Manisaspor 2008–2009 Kocaelispor 2009–2010 Kasımpaşa S.K. 2011 Konyaspor 2012 Sakaryaspor 2012–2013 Elazığspor Stability then, yeah? Oh please, please let this happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Robert Jarni (who?). Wasn't he a the left back around the golden period of Croatian footy with Suker, Boban etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Just took a look at his management record... Stability then, yeah? Tan probably owned all those clubs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Cardiff's target is a "household name at another British club." Neil Lennon - is he 'household'? Redknapp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Wasn't he a the left back around the golden period of Croatian footy with Suker, Boban etc? Yep. As mentioned above, once signed for Coventry from Real Betis but was then sold on to Real Madrid before he made an appearance - it seems as though Betis wouldn't deal with Madrid, so Madrid's solution was to basically use Coventry as a middle-man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 While the vast majority of football fans recognise the lunacy of Vincent Tan it is probably true to acknowledge that there will be many managers out there who will fancy the position. Let's face it, get the job, put up with the gob, take the payout. It will hardly blemish your C.V. that you tried to work for a megalomaniac and failed! The problem, for Cardiff fans, is that they are tied to the club, just like us, it's an emotion and a calling. They'll not walk away from it in vast numbers, just like Saints fans, they love the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Redknapp... Can you imagine Redknapp working for Tan? He's got it pretty cushty at QPR, he has an owner who basically bows down to his every demand, regardless of how ridiculous it is and/or how much it costs. Lennon would be my guess for Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Am I the only one that thinks the FA should take their fair share of blame for allowing the likes of Tan to pass the fit and proper person test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 The next Blackburn. Venky's MK2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Am I the only one that thinks the FA should take their fair share of blame for allowing the likes of Tan to pass the fit and proper person test? The FAPP test doesn't check for eccentricity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Am I the only one that thinks the FA should take their fair share of blame for allowing the likes of Tan to pass the fit and proper person test? Probably. Firstly, it's not the FA's test, it's the Premier League and Football League (who each have their own, slightly different, tests). Secondly, those tests are to ensure that the people attempting to buy football clubs are neither criminals (to prevent money laundering, etc) or proven incompetent when it comes to managing finances in football. They are not designed to subjectively decide whether an owner is a bit mental. Wind the clock back a few years to when Tan bought Cardiff - they were on the verge of going bust. If the FAPP Test was subjective as you seem to suggest it should be, and Tan's takeover was blocked because the Football League thought he might be a bit of a mentalist, and as a result Cardiff went out of business, I think it's fair to say the FL would be taking a large share of the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 The irony is Mad Man Tan will probably give the new man lots of money in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Probably. Firstly, it's not the FA's test, it's the Premier League and Football League (who each have their own, slightly different, tests). Secondly, those tests are to ensure that the people attempting to buy football clubs are neither criminals (to prevent money laundering, etc) or proven incompetent when it comes to managing finances in football. They are not designed to subjectively decide whether an owner is a bit mental. Wind the clock back a few years to when Tan bought Cardiff - they were on the verge of going bust. If the FAPP Test was subjective as you seem to suggest it should be, and Tan's takeover was blocked because the Football League thought he might be a bit of a mentalist, and as a result Cardiff went out of business, I think it's fair to say the FL would be taking a large share of the blame. ....and if a child maiming gun runner and bank robber can pass it then Tan will with flying colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Director of Football? With Bellamy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Director of Football? With Bellamy ? ottery .....You have no clue about football:rolleyes: Happy Xmas all you football SWF experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Could be a really interesting game up there on Thursday if Mckay goes beforehand. We've got a crisis club double header this week! How nice is it to be sat on the other side of the fence for a change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Can you imagine Redknapp working for Tan? He's got it pretty cushty at QPR, he has an owner who basically bows down to his every demand, regardless of how ridiculous it is and/or how much it costs. Lennon would be my guess for Cardiff. Well he hasnt done too bad cutting the wage bill and getting them into a championship title race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Has to be Paulo di canio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Cardiff's target is a "household name at another British club." Neil Lennon - is he 'household'? Redknapp... It'll be a famous ex player now managing in the lower leagues imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 It'll be a famous ex player now managing in the lower leagues imo F'sure. Cardiff's future is looking Rosie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Ole Gunnar Solksjaer You heard it here 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Surely Cardiff fans will be defending Tan on the forums, they will be reminding everyone where the club was 4 years ago and without him they might not have a club to support. Mackay is just a department head and everything about the success the club has enjoyed is totally down to the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 December, 2013 Share Posted 20 December, 2013 Surely Cardiff fans will be defending Tan on the forums, they will be reminding everyone where the club was 4 years ago and without him they might not have a club to support. Mackay is just a department head and everything about the success the club has enjoyed is totally down to the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Surely Cardiff fans will be defending Tan on the forums, they will be reminding everyone where the club was 4 years ago and without him they might not have a club to support. Mackay is just a department head and everything about the success the club has enjoyed is totally down to the chairman. Showing lack of understanding the situation and how well we have done again young man I will explain the differences for you so you can be more cheery about how saints are doing and less cynical and miserable... Tan came in (2010) Cardiff were 4th in championship. They were not in administration. Year later he took them to....4th! A year later down to 6th! (Not much success so far!) A year later 1st Half year later 15th in prem. So in those 3 ½ season they have climbed 9 places. When Cortese / Liebherr came in we were in administration. We were 24th in league one. A year later we were 5th A year later we were 2nd in league 1 A year later we were 2nd in champ A year later we were 14th in prem ½ year later we are 9th. So each full year we have progressed more than Tan has in total. So don't think fans anywhere will see his success as in same league as our owners Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Showing lack of understanding the situation and how well we have done again young man I will explain the differences for you so you can be more cheery about how saints are doing and less cynical and miserable... Tan came in (2010) Cardiff were 4th in championship. They were not in administration. Year later he took them to....4th! A year later down to 6th! (Not much success so far!) A year later 1st Half year later 15th in prem. So in those 3 ½ season they have climbed 9 places. When Cortese / Liebherr came in we were in administration. We were 24th in Championship. A year later we were 7th in league 1 A year later we were 2nd in league 1 A year later we were 2nd in champ A year later we were 14th in prem ½ year later we are 9th. So each full year we have progressed more than Tan has in total. So don't think fans anywhere will see his success as in same league as our owners Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Showing lack of understanding the situation and how well we have done again young man I will explain the differences for you so you can be more cheery about how saints are doing and less cynical and miserable... Tan came in (2010) Cardiff were 4th in championship. They were not in administration. Year later he took them to....4th! A year later down to 6th! (Not much success so far!) A year later 1st Half year later 15th in prem. So in those 3 ½ season they have climbed 9 places. When Cortese / Liebherr came in we were in administration. We were 24th in league one. A year later we were 5th A year later we were 2nd in league 1 A year later we were 2nd in champ A year later we were 14th in prem ½ year later we are 9th. So each full year we have progressed more than Tan has in total. So don't think fans anywhere will see his success as in same league as our owners Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk also when cortese ruthlessly fired both pards and adkins, he didnt play games first but just pulled the trigger. the second time around he learnt from his mistake of leaving us in limbo whilst securing his next manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Our Tan was the pioneer and currently the only case study of "them Orientals love a red kit, they do. All forward thinking clubs are changing to all red to make untold millions all over Oriental-land. I mean, look at Cardiff" Tan was the forum sweetheart only a few months ago as a groundbreaking red kit pioneer. I am disappointed this hero-worship hasn't translated into more support from the forum visionaries. How quickly you turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Ah the old look where we are now routine has appeared, 4 Years ago League 1 - 10 Oldham away Colchester away Ryan Dickson Our journey Markus Academy 4th highest spenders in Europe Champions League football in 5 years Never been relegated under Cortese For Markus Liebherr family Iron will Lego head All in there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Ah the old look where we are now routine has appeared, 4 Years ago League 1 - 10 Oldham away Colchester away Ryan Dickson Our journey Markus Academy 4th highest spenders in Europe Champions League football in 5 years Never been relegated under Cortese For Markus Liebherr family Iron will Lego head All in there now. Would you prefer it if Lowe was still in charge???? Dutch duo £90,000 Catering Rapid turnover of managers 4th in Premier League on Christmas day Hollow day out at Wembley in pointless cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Would you prefer it if Lowe was still in charge???? Dutch duo £90,000 Catering Rapid turnover of managers 4th in Premier League on Christmas day Hollow day out at Wembley in pointless cup Of course not, clappers use it as deflector shield against anything perceived negative. We play poorly - We were playing Plymouth 4 years ago We sign someone crap - Back to back promotions We play Danny Fox - Look how far we have come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Tan was the forum sweetheart only a few months ago as a groundbreaking red kit pioneer. I am disappointed this hero-worship hasn't translated into more support from the forum visionaries. How quickly you turn. Name names. Who were these "forum visionairies" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 FTFY We finished 23rd in Championship (above Charlton). He is referring to the fact we started Lg 1 in 24th with minus 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 also when cortese ruthlessly fired both pards and adkins, he didnt play games first but just pulled the trigger. the second time around he learnt from his mistake of leaving us in limbo whilst securing his next manager. Also, Cortese doesn't try to model himself on Mr Chow from the hangover ... Mother f*ckers ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 also when cortese ruthlessly fired both pards and adkins, he didnt play games first but just pulled the trigger. the second time around he learnt from his mistake of leaving us in limbo whilst securing his next manager. Well that isn't true. Its one of the worst kept secrets in SFC history that both Pardew and Adkins were dead men walking long before they were fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Showing lack of understanding the situation and how well we have done again young man I will explain the differences for you so you can be more cheery about how saints are doing and less cynical and miserable... Tan came in (2010) Cardiff were 4th in championship. They were not in administration. Year later he took them to....4th! A year later down to 6th! (Not much success so far!) A year later 1st Half year later 15th in prem. So in those 3 ½ season they have climbed 9 places. When Cortese / Liebherr came in we were in administration. We were 24th in league one. A year later we were 5th A year later we were 2nd in league 1 A year later we were 2nd in champ A year later we were 14th in prem ½ year later we are 9th. So each full year we have progressed more than Tan has in total. So don't think fans anywhere will see his success as in same league as our owners Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk They also have a league title to their name, one better than Nicola '2nd place' Cortese The all red kit to appeal the zillions of people china Spent more than us this summer - ambition and resources Expanding their stadium - when is the one we so desperately need going to happen? More hot air from 2nd place Climbed 9 places out of an available 24 and doing better than we were at the same stage in our first season back in top flight Keeps the fans updated with what is going on Let's not make out promotion from league one is a massive achievement from a chairman or back to back promotions for that matter, even Delia Smith managed that, she's achieved more than second place without the backing of billionaires! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Would you prefer it if Lowe was still in charge???? Dutch duo £90,000 Catering Rapid turnover of managers 4th in Premier League on Christmas day Hollow day out at Wembley in pointless cup Id have happily swapped the entire cup run and final for finishing 7th that season, that extra place would have helped us so much more as a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 They also have a league title to their name, one better than Nicola '2nd place' Cortese The all red kit to appeal the zillions of people china Spent more than us this summer - ambition and resources Expanding their stadium - when is the one we so desperately need going to happen? More hot air from 2nd place Climbed 9 places out of an available 24 and doing better than we were at the same stage in our first season back in top flight Keeps the fans updated with what is going on Let's not make out promotion from league one is a massive achievement from a chairman or back to back promotions for that matter, even Delia Smith managed that, she's achieved more than second place without the backing of billionaires! If anyone ever doubted you enjoy moaning cynically and trolling.... Happy christmas Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 If anyone ever doubted you enjoy moaning cynically and trolling.... Happy christmas Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Why is it trolling to point out Cardiff chairmans achievements against our own? If I went on their forum I reckon now they backing tan and his plans not spend in January. now they are 15th one of their posters will be claiming their current squad is good enough for 6th anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Just took a look at his management record... 1986–1988 Malatyaspor 1988–1989 Antalyaspor 1989 Samsunspor 1989–1990 Bursaspor 1990–1991 Karşıyaka S.K. 1991 Adanaspor 1991–1993 Bursaspor 1993–1994 Gaziantepspor 1995–1996 Eskişehirspor 1996–1997 Sarıyer 1997 Trabzonspor 1997–1998 Gençlerbirliği 1998–1999 Konyaspor 1999 Dardanelspor 1999–2000 Bursaspor 2000–2001 Denizlispor 2001 Diyarbakırspor 2003–2004 Adanaspor 2004 Çaykur Rizespor 2005 Ankaragücü 2005–2007 Antalyaspor 2008 Manisaspor 2008–2009 Kocaelispor 2009–2010 Kasımpaşa S.K. 2011 Konyaspor 2012 Sakaryaspor 2012–2013 Elazığspor Stability then, yeah? That would **** off the cardiff fans, they would have to be Cardiffspor to fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Our Tan was the pioneer and currently the only case study of "them Orientals love a red kit, they do. All forward thinking clubs are changing to all red to make untold millions all over Oriental-land. I mean, look at Cardiff" Tan was the forum sweetheart only a few months ago as a groundbreaking red kit pioneer. I am disappointed this hero-worship hasn't translated into more support from the forum visionaries. How quickly you turn. The red kit is fine by me, I get tired of seeing people wearing red and white stripes and only when you get close seeing that they are Stoke, Sunderland or Exeter fans. If it is hard for me to tell it must be really difficult for fans abroad who are not so seeing the subtle differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 21 December, 2013 Share Posted 21 December, 2013 Well that isn't true. Its one of the worst kept secrets in SFC history that both Pardew and Adkins were dead men walking long before they were fired. Without a doubt If you listened to the post match interview with Adkins on Solent after the Coventry promotion game Adkins pretty much knew he was in the snipers sights as soon as the ref blew the final whistle: very strange to listen to at the time. As mentioned before I have a friend who got invited to one of those Cortese dinners, and it was revealed there that Markus wanted Pardew out sooner than he was, but Nicola persuaded him against that. Pardew shot himself in the foot ultimately by being seen to take the teams foot off the gas after winning the JPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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