Secret Site Agent Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Quick tid bit from my friend.......um, lets call him Noel, (yes that will do).......who knows some stuff. Julio Cesar'sagent has asked for astronomical wages for him to come here, in excess of most of the first team. We submitted a counter offer. His agent said that as we are desperate for a goalie, so we should foot the bill. Needs must etc. We said we would much rather lose the next 5 games. Over to you Júlio César Soares Espíndola. So it seems that we are at a stalemate. It's not like the deal has to include any..........ahem........add ons for anyone........just the three parties like......uhumm. I like it that our Chairman takes a hard line in negotiations. Any update i'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Forget him, money more important than his world cup place. Sitting on QPR's bench all season in the Championship hardly enhances his bargaining power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 We said we would much rather lose the next 5 games. Over to you Júlio César Soares Espíndola. . Nice. Have that Red**** you crooked old bastard. Of course 'arry wouldn't be involved in any transfer, he doesn't do that, f'sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Football agent in 'wants more money' shocker. Who'd have thought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Do we really need another current South American international with the amount of games and travelling involved amounting to extra unavailability with late returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Do we really need another current South American international with the amount of games and travelling involved amounting to extra unavailability with late returns? Good point. We need an English goalkeeper. What is Scott Carson up to these days? He was always highly rated. Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 It's not like the deal has to include any..........ahem........add ons for anyone........just the three parties like......uhumm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Not surprising really. Not that fussed about him if I am honest. Too expensive, and not convinced he actually offers an upgrade on Boruc. Clearly a money grabber in going to QPR, then prioritising wages over getting off a Championship bench in the run up to a home World Cup. No thanks, don't want him near the club. By the time he signs Boruc would only be out a few more games, what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Cortese is the last person you want to demand more money from! There are other options out there, much as Cesar and Boruc would be a great combination to fight it out for a first team place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Forget him, money more important than his world cup place. Sitting on QPR's bench all season in the Championship hardly enhances his bargaining power. Actually, he's been out injured since pre-season, hasn't even been on the bench so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Is shay given any good? My villa mate is offering him to me, apparently he is currently on short loan at middlesborough but is available for Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good point. We need an English goalkeeper. What is Scott Carson up to these days? He was always highly rated. Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. Thats right, because the only alternative to South Americans is English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good point. We need an English goalkeeper. What is Scott Carson up to these days? He was always highly rated. Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. If we'd have signed Jack Butland in the summer he'd be worth in excess of thirty million now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good point. We need an English goalkeeper. What is Scott Carson up to these days? He was always highly rated. Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. Richard Wright? It has taken me a while Turkish but I think I finally understand you. Now I find the things you write funny rather than utterly frustrating. Any goalkeeper who doesn't offer up 2-3 chances on average to the opposition would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Goalkeeper is the one position Brazilians are usually sh!t at anyway. Just go for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Is shay given any good? My villa mate is offering him to me, apparently he is currently on short loan at middlesborough but is available for Jan. Good keeper but why don't Villa want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good keeper but why don't Villa want him? old, no doubt expensive and not American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good keeper but why don't Villa want him? Because he is on the decline and so they loaned him out to a bottom half Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Because he is on the decline and so they loaned him out to a bottom half Championship team. but as he has a 5 year contract with Villa which goes on for another 2 season he probably doesn't give a toss about that anyway. Contract probably prices him out of the market as a reserve keeper for any respectable club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 but as he has a 5 year contract with Villa which goes on for another 2 season he probably doesn't give a toss about that anyway. Contract probably prices him out of the market as a reserve keeper for any respectable club. As is true for most international keepers. This is a point that seems to be lost on certain posters that have suddenly started frothing at the mouth with incredulity that we do not have 2 international class goalkeepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 If we'd have signed Jack Butland in the summer he'd be worth in excess of thirty million now. Is he still young hungry and guarenteed to improve or is he now a greedy tosser who put money before his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Because he is on the decline and so they loaned him out to a bottom half Championship team. That's what I thought. If he's no good for Villa then is he good enough for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Would be very surprised but not disappointed if we signed him. Virtually impossible a deal will be done around his wages IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good keeper but why don't Villa want him? Hasn't quite been the same since his mate Gary Speed died, is the sad truth of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 The Yanks produce some half-decent GKs. There is Tim Howard, Brad Friedel, Brad Guzan, Kasey Keller and this one:- Hope Solo. What a name for a goalkeeper; Hope springs eternal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I'm a goalkeeper! Not as young or as glam as Hope, I'm afraid... Back to César; if he has been injured according to stevegrant we're obviously not going for him just to cover for those next 5 games, surely? I'm sure we'll pay decently (although maybe not QPR/'arry levels) but it seems the current team ethos relies on motivated players, and he certainly doesn't seem that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 The Yanks produce some half-decent GKs. There is Tim Howard, Brad Friedel, Brad Guzan, Kasey Keller and this one:- Hope Solo. What a name for a goalkeeper; Hope springs eternal. Hope shot first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Is shay given any good? My villa mate is offering him to me, apparently he is currently on short loan at middlesborough but is available for Jan. Prefer Alex McCarhy at Reading ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Back to César; if he has been injured according to stevegrant we're obviously not going for him just to cover for those next 5 games, surely? We can't sign anyone until January 1st anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 A mere 15 days away Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Good point. We need an English goalkeeper. What is Scott Carson up to these days? He was always highly rated. Paul Robinson could do a job for us too. Off-topic, but whatever put Scott Carson into your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Joe Hart must be first choice surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Yes, his wages will be tiny by contrast Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Well it confirms one thing - we are after A N Other keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 If we were looking to bring him in as an emergency loan due to the injuries I'd have been happy to see him come here but no real point in signing him permanently considering his wages and being of a similar age to Boruc. He also wasn't all that great last season and Green was preferred to him at times towards the end of the season. As far as I'm concerned Boruc is good for another year or two as first choice but appreciate we need better back-up. Despite our apparent need for a world class second choice keeper, realistically the sort of player we could get would be more in the Boaz Myhill or Mark Bunn mould. I.e. someone with lower league experience but respectable stand-ins for the odd game. The sort of player you'd be looking at would probably be in the 24-30 age bracket and regularly playing in the Championship/League 1. Someone like Wayne Hennessey might not be too disastrous. Still fairly young for a keeper but has had injury problems in the last couple of years and was reasonably highly rated at one stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Would be OK in the league, but in the cup? Useless over two legs. :-D Liable to give a limp performance. :-D Serious note: McCarthy is a good shout IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Prefer Alex McCarhy at Reading ..... Yes! Would be a great signing but unlikely they'll let him leave for cheap or in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Prefer Alex McCarhy at Reading ..... Good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I'm a goalkeeper! Not as young or as glam as Hope, I'm afraid... Back to César; if he has been injured according to stevegrant we're obviously not going for him just to cover for those next 5 games, surely? I'm sure we'll pay decently (although maybe not QPR/'arry levels) but it seems the current team ethos relies on motivated players, and he certainly doesn't seem that. You play? I had no idea, you should tell us about it sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 If the choice is Cesar or no keeper then I'd obviously take him, but I don't think he's the right man for us. Wages aside, he's not better than Boruc and he wouldn't sit quietly on the bench during a World Cup year. Could be disruptive - but I suppose we wouldn't sign him if we didn't trust he'd fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 If the choice is Cesar or no keeper then I'd obviously take him, but I don't think he's the right man for us. Wages aside, he's not better than Boruc and he wouldn't sit quietly on the bench during a World Cup year. Could be disruptive - but I suppose we wouldn't sign him if we didn't trust he'd fit in. I don't think we'd sign him to just be a benchwarmer. I don't see how he would agree to that or how we could even justify it from a wages perspective (unless we're paying such a small percentage of what he earns at QPR). I'm not overly enthusiastic about genuine competition at the goalkeeper spot - I can't think of a situation in football where it works out. The uncertainty from goalkeepers doesn't really promote better form - it brings on nervousness and apprehension which can be seen in how they play. I prefer having a clear number 1 and a competent (if not as good) backup. I think we should go for an older experienced keeper who doesn't mind being a backup due to age but is a safe pair of hands in the Premier League - but they are pretty rare I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I don't think we'd sign him to just be a benchwarmer. I don't see how he would agree to that or how we could even justify it from a wages perspective (unless we're paying such a small percentage of what he earns at QPR). I'm not overly enthusiastic about genuine competition at the goalkeeper spot - I can't think of a situation in football where it works out. The uncertainty from goalkeepers doesn't really promote better form - it brings on nervousness and apprehension which can be seen in how they play. I prefer having a clear number 1 and a competent (if not as good) backup. I think we should go for an older experienced keeper who doesn't mind being a backup due to age but is a safe pair of hands in the Premier League - but they are pretty rare I know. Exactly, you're right. And he's not gonna be one of those types! What makes it harder is that those ideal, reliable backups often slide down the ranks at their current club - and either way these changes happen over summer. I think Jääskeläinen will be the Schwarzer/Friedel-esque figure in a couple of years - doesn't solve our problem now but I'd love to have him if West Ham get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 (Safe) Hands Solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 If the choice is Cesar or no keeper then I'd obviously take him, but I don't think he's the right man for us. Wages aside, he's not better than Boruc and he wouldn't sit quietly on the bench during a World Cup year. Could be disruptive - but I suppose we wouldn't sign him if we didn't trust he'd fit in. Not for me. Just don't see the point being bent over a barrel for a player we'd only need for a couple of games. I'm with Adrians - give Gazza a try til Jan and find out if he's up to it. If he's not we can make a well-reasoned purchase in our own time before the start of next season. As has been pointed out not many top goalies transfer mid-way through a season. We're not really in that desperate a position - we are not fighting for our lives and Boruc will be back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 The thing is we need at least a decent reserve keeper so we might as well get one now when we need him most. Most top end Championship keepers would do well enough so we just have to stick a pin in the table and bingo go and buy their keeper. Whatever we get from that approach can't be worse than Gazza and probably a damn sight cheaper, nigh on 3 million for him was just a criminal waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 The thing is we need at least a decent reserve keeper so we might as well get one now when we need him most. Most top end Championship keepers would do well enough so we just have to stick a pin in the table and bingo go and buy their keeper. Whatever we get from that approach can't be worse than Gazza and probably a damn sight cheaper, nigh on 3 million for him was just a criminal waste. Yep, I'm pretty sure thats how scouting works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 Yep, I'm pretty sure thats how scouting works... well it must have been how we scouted Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 well it must have been how we scouted Gazza. touché... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 December, 2013 Share Posted 19 December, 2013 Im sure that if MP needs another Keeper, even on a temporary basis , NC will already have sourced them I suspect this ceasar guy is miffed becuase NV told him to shove it where the sun dont shine as he has someone else already PS what is wrong with K Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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