robdevil7 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 he is only about 12 ffs, still learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? Set pieces and passing require technique. Also, his technique is actually one of his better attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? You, sir need to stop thinking about anything if this depressingly pathetic tripe is all that your brain can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? I think he's fantastic. The team feels much calmer/in control when he's playing (although he's had a quiet recent couple of games), and I think that's down to his composure, technique and vision. Given how young he is, they are pretty amazing qualities to be showing already. With success rate of recent youth players coming into the squad, compared to the purchased players with time needed to adjust, this youth first policy is going to be mighty successful for the Saints. Compare to AVB at Spurs. We'll unlikely be in a position where we need to embed a whole new team of expensive stars from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 His technical ability isn't a problem at all but as with most 18 year olds, he is struggling at times with the physical aspect of the game. Been a little unlucky in that he is the one hauled off when we've had to change our attacking set up. Quality player IMO but needs to identify his position and role over the next couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? I'm not sure I'd call it thinking - it's a very weird statement about one of the better all round players in the side regarding technique! Sure he'll get better with games and experience which is why he's so highly rated - I'm not sure who you have been watching? I've rarely seen him look out of place let alone 'struggle' since he became part of the regular squad! Curious 'first' post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 JWP is at his best on the right of the attacking 3 midfielders, of late he's been drafted in to replace Morgan and he isn't anywhere near as comfortable in that role as we saw last Saturday, in fact it needed Steve Davis to be constantly dropping back to help him out. Once we get back to our usual formation he'll no doubt look better although I can't see him deplacing SD for the starters place at ARM in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 (edited) Fantastic delivery and very intelligent in terms of being able to pick up and execute MP's vision, though the fact that he doesn't have the defensive qualities of a Morgan or Wanayama or the creativity or attacking instinct of a Lallana or even a Davis means that he is expendable when we have to change tack. In a similar vein, it is slightly frustrating that he outsources attacking responsibilities to the fullback which is far less feasible away from home. Like Dig Dig says, he needs to define his position and role -at the very least, would like him to attempt more crosses from open play which isnt a huge ask. Edited 17 December, 2013 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 JWP had the best open play crossing accuracy in the league a few weeks ago: http://www.bsports.com/extratime/leaderboard-crossing-accuracy-in-the-premier-league Technique the best part of his game. Bearsy - Can you add this thread to the end of season awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? You're wrong, his technique is just unorthodox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 JWP had the best open play crossing accuracy in the league a few weeks ago: http://www.bsports.com/extratime/leaderboard-crossing-accuracy-in-the-premier-league Technique the best part of his game. Bearsy - Can you add this thread to the end of season awards? More meaningless stats from the FM generation His cross or deep delivery at Stoke stood out because of how rare he threatens from open play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 More meaningless stats from the FM generation His cross or deep delivery at Stoke stood out because of how rare he threatens from open play. He isn't a huge threat from open play, but his crossing is very good. The "outsourcing" of attacking responsibilities is something that is obviously worked on and requested by the coaching staff. Our full backs on both sides play very, very high - and I think Clyne and JWP together have worked really well when both starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Curious 'first' post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 (edited) Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional welcome to the forum robotdevil7. You'll fit right in. Edit: I have avatar for you: Edited 17 December, 2013 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 You're wrong, his technique is just unorthodox. Wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about this if you're not too busy, Monk. I'm not sure quite what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 More meaningless stats from the FM generation His cross or deep delivery at Stoke stood out because of how rare he threatens from open play. Yup, meaningless....... "Over the course of the 2013/14 Premier League season so far, Southampton’s James Ward-Prowse (12.08), Christian Eriksen (10.72) of Tottenham, Manchester City’s Jesús Navas (10.70) and Morgan Amalfitano (10.19) of West Bromwich Albion currently lead the league in terms of crosses attempted per 90 minutes among players that have attempted 35 crosses or more" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 He isn't a huge threat from open play, but his crossing is very good. The "outsourcing" of attacking responsibilities is something that is obviously worked on and requested by the coaching staff. Our full backs on both sides play very, very high - and I think Clyne and JWP together have worked really well when both starting. At home, definitely yes. Away from home, less so as our fullbacks can't afford to play as high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Yup, meaningless....... "Over the course of the 2013/14 Premier League season so far, Southampton’s James Ward-Prowse (12.08), Christian Eriksen (10.72) of Tottenham, Manchester City’s Jesús Navas (10.70) and Morgan Amalfitano (10.19) of West Bromwich Albion currently lead the league in terms of crosses attempted per 90 minutes among players that have attempted 35 crosses or more" Is this the existential mongboard debate about shots leading to goals and wins but with an even more slippery metric? For all the open play crosses he's deemed to have had, am somewhat surprised he hasn't got more assists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 More meaningless stats from the FM generation His cross or deep delivery at Stoke stood out because of how rare he threatens from open play. Lol, people that deny stats are hilarious. Yes, they don't tell the whole story. But, you can still glean a lot from them. And, managers, coaches and chairman do indeed put a lot of stock in them when analysing their own players and potential transfer targets. It's not an "FM Generation" (LMAO) thing, it's simply improved coverage and technology being able to track these things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Lol, people that deny stats are hilarious. Yes, they don't tell the whole story. But, you can still glean a lot from them. And, managers, coaches and chairman do indeed put a lot of stock in them when analysing their own players and potential transfer targets. It's not an "FM Generation" (LMAO) thing, it's simply improved coverage and technology being able to track these things better. I dont deny them -and indeed have to use them in my day job. Though that's also made me aware that there is a lot of spurious precision in the world. Garbage in, garbage out and all that. Often, there's no better sense check than watching games and eyeballing things for yourself - looking at each and every cross and disentangling those that lead to assists or genuine chances from a whole load of things that might count as crosses. Happy for you to point to examples of JWP's delivery (Stoke apart) where he has come even close to replicating his deadball delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Oh my god seriously mate do us a favour!!! It's like some people on this forum get bored by Tuesday and feel they have to pick at somebody!!! JWP is top class and has a superb technique, probably one of the better in our side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 He has absolutely fantastic technique. His delivery from free-kicks and corners are going to earn us a lot of goals in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Is this the existential mongboard debate about shots leading to goals and wins but with an even more slippery metric? Nope, its the proof that people are talking out of their arse post. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Is this a serious thread? Crazy, the boy is quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdevil7 Posted 17 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I'm glad to see my thread has been met with such fervour and kindness. I'm honestly not attempting to be contentious; it's just an opinion I think has some validity. I'm not saying he's a bad player - because he's not - but his ability with the ball at his feet is a little questionable of quality. But if it's any consolation I do think he's going to become a great player - I never doubted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about this if you're not too busy, Monk. I'm not sure quite what you mean. "e kickers da ball funnaily so he can whipa the ball" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I'm glad to see my thread has been met with such fervour and kindness. I'm honestly not attempting to be contentious; it's just an opinion I think has some validity. I'm not saying he's a bad player - because he's not - but his ability with the ball at his feet is a little questionable of quality. But if it's any consolation I do think he's going to become a great player - I never doubted that. What are you looking for him to do, a bit of keepy-uppy or sommit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 I'm glad to see my thread has been met with such fervour and kindness. I'm honestly not attempting to be contentious; it's just an opinion I think has some validity. I'm not saying he's a bad player - because he's not - but his ability with the ball at his feet is a little questionable of quality. But if it's any consolation I do think he's going to become a great player - I never doubted that. It's not as if he is a massive target man, or a bruising defenders. His game is all about having the ball at his feet. For him to be good at what he does, he needs to be good with the ball at his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Out of interest does anyone know his preferred position because for England he plays as a holding midfield player but for saints he plays out wide in the diamond. Dont think he quite has the strength at the moment for the holding midfield role It would be good to chip in with a few goals in his wide role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? Not another Glasgow alt. Or is it Barry? Or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Subtle choice of colour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 So, I've been thinking about it for a bit, and I have come to the conclusion that he simply doesn't have great technique. Of course he's terrific at set pieces and passing, but his actual ability with the ball isn't exceptional, or even what we may make it out to be. This is why I think he struggles often in matches. It's often hard for him to dominate matches because of this. Am I the only one who thinks this? Yes you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 His technical ability isn't a problem at all but as with most 18 year olds, he is struggling at times with the physical aspect of the game. Been a little unlucky in that he is the one hauled off when we've had to change our attacking set up. Quality player IMO but needs to identify his position and role over the next couple of seasons. Spot on dig dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Where do these strange posters come from....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Where do these strange posters come from....? Job Centre mainly, unless they're studying football marketing techniques and Golf Course Planning at the University of Ouagadougou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Stop thinking if thats your conclusion - he is highly rated by a lot of knowledgable footie folk outside of SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Ah, welcome back 100_percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Ah, welcome back 100_percent. 110 wasn't it? Although given Pompey's shrinking number expertise I see what you did there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Where do these strange posters come from....? Glasgow has an awful lot of time on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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