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For a similar reason certain folk get ludicrously over excited about the difference between finding tenth or eighth. Because they can attach a spurious financial gain against it.

 

And Saints fans are now desperate to see Saints to something else "brutal" that we can then prove people wrong about all over again. Selling Lambert will be another badge of honour for the unsentimental Southampton way.

 

You really do talk a lot of ****. "Certain folk"..."Saints fans are now desperate"... why do you feel the need to set up some sort of devils's advocate position against an imaginary collective opinion? You remind me a lot of another poster.

 

8 million would be good business for Saints, however only if we can improve the squad with the money. You only have to look at recent results, even though the performances have been pretty good, the lack of squad depth is a worry and its going to take a few years of continual improvement to get to a stage where we can compete for European places. I don't think it's worth selling him without another option, so if it does happen, it will probably be at the end of the window when we've had time to sort something out.

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Would people complain if we sold him for that and got Danny Ings or Jordan Rhodes with the money?

 

Rhodes would be a tidy piece of business and a very good replacement IMO.

 

The deal makes sense to me. From our perspective £8M is a very decent price for a 32 y.o which gives us some cash to get an up and coming striker. From Spam's position if Ricky could keep them in the prem (and he could IMO) £8M would be a small price to pay.

 

However the emotional impact of losing Ricky would be big and we aren't safe yet so a bit of a gamble. It's going to break a few hearts, Ricky's a legend at SFC and we'll all miss him but this is business and Cortese won't let sentiment cloud his judgement.

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No. Rickie is one of our best players. Not a chance.

 

Next season maybe, but I for one am hoping West Ham go down having been gifted a brand new Olympic stadium. There's too much potential in that club as a result, so I am rather hoping they fall to the lower tiers for as long as possible to give the rest of us a chance!

So lets not sell our talisman.

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why not. he cost £1m

 

Then why doesn't everyone just sign a lower league player who hasn't quite hit their potential? Rickie is a one off, we took the gamble, it's paid off and will continue to do so. Players of his ability are not ten a penny.

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Cant see Cortese getting too sentimental over the club legend status. Lambert is an asset, who in a couple of years wont be worth anything like 8m. On the flip side, Im sure theyll appreciate that Gallagher isnt ready, Sharp isnt good enough,and Osvaldos temperament will see him ruled out quite a bit, so I can only see Lambo being sold if they have their eye on someone younger who is as good/better. If they do then great, if not, then Lambert is worth more than 8m to us at the point in time.

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This whole story is based/started by somebody on a " hoof ball" blog saying they were interested in Rickie and that Saints hadn't replied to their offer.

 

A few of points :-

1/ In the past Saints have put "offers" they are not interested in straight in the SHREDDER without replying. I think aoc a few years in the Jan transfer window (6 months before he left), and I was also told that other Clubs made offers for Luke and Morgan in the last Transfer Window and both those offers went straight in the Shedder without reply.

 

2/ Do the London media really think that the Don is going to play the second half of the season with only Jay Rod and Ossie as our PL strikers ?, neither of which is a "back to goal target man".

The Don is targeting a European place in the next 3-5 years and getting CL standard players in will be achieved by finishing in the top 8 this season not dropping down into the 14-18 group.

 

3/ For those that say £8m is a large amount, remember that the new CL TV deal coming in soon is DOUBLE the current deal, so £8M then may only be equal to £4m in current values. And imo £4m does not buy you much.

 

4/ For those saying buy somebody else for the £8m, please name WHO IS AVAILABLE of CL standard for that money ? (I believe we tried to get Lukaka twice in the summer - buy and then loan but were turned down both times).

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Cant see Cortese getting too sentimental over the club legend status. Lambert is an asset, who in a couple of years wont be worth anything like 8m. On the flip side, Im sure theyll appreciate that Gallagher isnt ready, Sharp isnt good enough,and Osvaldos temperament will see him ruled out quite a bit, so I can only see Lambo being sold if they have their eye on someone younger who is as good/better. If they do then great, if not, then Lambert is worth more than 8m to us at the point in time.

 

Exactly. Even when removing sentiment a sale doesn't make sense.

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Then why doesn't everyone just sign a lower league player who hasn't quite hit their potential? Rickie is a one off, we took the gamble, it's paid off and will continue to do so. Players of his ability are not ten a penny.

 

lambert is not a 1 off. holt scored as many the year before. Just never got the england call ups

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Cant see Cortese getting too sentimental over the club legend status. Lambert is an asset, who in a couple of years wont be worth anything like 8m. On the flip side, Im sure theyll appreciate that Gallagher isnt ready, Sharp isnt good enough,and Osvaldos temperament will see him ruled out quite a bit, so I can only see Lambo being sold if they have their eye on someone younger who is as good/better. If they do then great, if not, then Lambert is worth more than 8m to us at the point in time.

 

Maybe they want to play Jrod more centrally (like he did with good effect at Newcastle) and will bring in another winger/inside forward where there are arguably more options.

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You really do talk a lot of ****. "Certain folk"..."Saints fans are now desperate"... why do you feel the need to set up some sort of devils's advocate position against an imaginary collective opinion? You remind me a lot of another poster.

 

8 million would be good business for Saints, however only if we can improve the squad with the money. You only have to look at recent results, even though the performances have been pretty good, the lack of squad depth is a worry and its going to take a few years of continual improvement to get to a stage where we can compete for European places. I don't think it's worth selling him without another option, so if it does happen, it will probably be at the end of the window when we've had time to sort something out.

 

You've nicely summed up exactly what I was saying. "good business...get a replacement". Yep, just buying and selling lawnmower parts.

 

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Thanks Rickie. Kerrching.

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You really do talk a lot of ****. "Certain folk"..."Saints fans are now desperate"... why do you feel the need to set up some sort of devils's advocate position against an imaginary collective opinion? You remind me a lot of another poster.[/Quote]

 

You don't come here often, do you, this is pretty much the norm.

 

8 million would be good business for Saints, however only if we can improve the squad with the money. You only have to look at recent results, even though the performances have been pretty good, the lack of squad depth is a worry and its going to take a few years of continual improvement to get to a stage where we can compete for European places. I don't think it's worth selling him without another option, so if it does happen, it will probably be at the end of the window when we've had time to sort something out.

 

On the other hand you talk a lot of sense, couldn't agree more. Selling now, without a viable replacement would ultimately do more harm than good.

 

 

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If we agree to sell Rickie for at least £8m how will this look to all the other clubs eyeing up Luke, Adam, Morgan or any other of our important players? We have publicly stated that none of our star players are available and if we change our stance it will make this statement look stupid and invite crazy bids from the likes of Moyes, mourinho and wenger.

Rickie deserves to see out his career at SFC and then should be appointed on the coaching staff bringing through our young strikers from the academy.

And if West Ham have got £8m to burn it would be better spent now sacking Big Sam and replacing him with someone who can attract the sort of players their fans want.

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It does amuse me how people hail Cortese ruthlessness and how this is the much heralded 'Southampton way' yet not when it comes to their favourite players. When its them it should be down to the player what they want to so and we should keep him out of sentiment no matter what. This seemed to come into play with Osvaldo, if he came in for Rodriguez they would be fine, despite him being far more effective than Lambert this season, however if he replaced Rickie in the side it was a disgrace or they can play together. Surely if lambert is sold this would be a good thing and show we are not frightend to move players on when they've done their bit and before we have aging players with high wages blocking the path of younger players, It would only emphasis even further Corteses ruthless nature which is so fantastic when it suits what people want. It seems to me the people holding the Southampton way back are the fans that only want it when it suits them.

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It does amuse me how people hail Cortese ruthlessness and how this is the much heralded 'Southampton way' yet not when it comes to their favourite players. When its them it should be down to the player what they want to so and we should keep him out of sentiment no matter what. This seemed to come into play with Osvaldo, if he came in for Rodriguez they would be fine, despite him being far more effective than Lambert this season, however if he replaced Rickie in the side it was a disgrace or they can play together. Surely if lambert is sold this would be a good thing and show we are not frightend to move players on when they've done their bit. It would only emphasis even further Corteses ruthless nature which is so fantastic when it suits what people want. It seems to me the people holding the Southampton way back are the fans that only want it when it suits them.

 

The Southampton Way? It is nothing more than a marketing tag line. If anyone thinks we are unique they are naive.

 

This thread seems quite an even split of opinions though.

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Sometimes I wonder whether people on here actually watch football matches.

 

To suggest Holt is the same player as Lambert is an insult.

 

I'm not. But a player fr the lower leagues who cost half as much as lambert scored as many goals in his first season up

 

I suspect Norwich fans would have had holt over lambert

holt scored 17 in his first season, lambert got 15

not too sure on assists

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If we agree to sell Rickie for at least £8m how will this look to all the other clubs eyeing up Luke, Adam, Morgan or any other of our important players? We have publicly stated that none of our star players are available and if we change our stance it will make this statement look stupid and invite crazy bids from the likes of Moyes, mourinho and wenger.

Rickie deserves to see out his career at SFC and then should be appointed on the coaching staff bringing through our young strikers from the academy.

And if West Ham have got £8m to burn it would be better spent now sacking Big Sam and replacing him with someone who can attract the sort of players their fans want.

 

Football in the PL is a Business and Cortese will decide what is best for Southampton

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You've nicely summed up exactly what I was saying. "good business...get a replacement". Yep, just buying and selling lawnmower parts.

 

Football supporting as lived through the lens of Sky Sports News.

 

Thanks Rickie. Kerrching.

 

It's business is an euphemism but your ponderous contrarianism already knows that.

 

People aren't discussing a potential, if unlikely transfer in terms of netting a quick profit but strengthening a side in light of what Rickie offers and what he doesn't (and the ledger isn't black and white)

 

We brought Rickie in to strengthen the team and will eventually replace him in the name of improvement. That's life, sunshine. The logic can be cruel but the transience of sporting success is what makes it so great and ultimately unforgettable.

 

If you don't like it, perhaps you should stick to Morecambe and Wise reruns with your tear-soaked hanky and galaxy bar as comfort.

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It does amuse me how people hail Cortese ruthlessness and how this is the much heralded 'Southampton way' yet not when it comes to their favourite players. When its them it should be down to the player what they want to so and we should keep him out of sentiment no matter what. This seemed to come into play with Osvaldo, if he came in for Rodriguez they would be fine, despite him being far more effective than Lambert this season, however if he replaced Rickie in the side it was a disgrace or they can play together. Surely if lambert is sold this would be a good thing and show we are not frightend to move players on when they've done their bit and before we have aging players with high wages blocking the path of younger players, It would only emphasis even further Corteses ruthless nature which is so fantastic when it suits what people want. It seems to me the people holding the Southampton way back are the fans that only want it when it suits them.

 

 

You can't really be critical of people just wanting the best of both worlds, why is is amusing? why are you on a high horse pointing out how pretty much most of society think. People know the club is generally now 'ruthless' and as supporters we get the benefits of this, but then fans are of course emotionally attached to things such as selling an iconic player and naturally some will not like the idea of it.

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LOL Rhodes is nowhere near the quality of Lambert.

 

Hey? Saint bias or just never seen Rhodes play?

 

Lambert scored 25 in the championship // Rhodes scored 27

Lambert scored 21 in league 1 // Rhodes scored 37

 

Assists are similar for both. Only altering factor is that Rhodes has been playing with lesser players than Lambert making his stats even better?

 

Not saying Rhodes is better, but to say "nowhere near" is wrong

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It's business is an euphemism but your ponderous contrarianism already knows that.

 

People aren't discussing a potential, if unlikely transfer in terms of netting a quick profit but strengthening a side in light of what Rickie offers and what he doesn't (and the ledger isn't black and white)

 

We brought Rickie in to strengthen the team and will eventually replace him in the name of improvement. That's life, sunshine. The logic can be cruel but the transience of sporting success is what makes it so great and ultimately unforgettable.

 

If you don't like it, perhaps you should stick to Morecambe and Wise reruns with your tear-soaked hanky and galaxy bar as comfort.

 

What are you on about, Strawlock?

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I would only sell if we have a decent replacement lined up. £8mill is decent money for someone of his age but if the team goes to c*ck we could lose that in league position prize money anyway. Plus we have shown you can easily spend £15mill on garbage nowadays and Lambert is one of our best players.

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You can't really be critical of people just wanting the best of both worlds, why is is amusing? why are you on a high horse pointing out how pretty much most of society think. People know the club is generally now 'ruthless' and as supporters we get the benefits of this, but then fans are of course emotionally attached to things such as selling an iconic player and naturally some will not like the idea of it.

 

And the time will come when he stops pulling on the saints shirt. So do we want cortese to implement the Southampton way and be ruthless, sell him while we can make a few quid and getting a high earner who is Arguably in decline off the wage bill, of of we keep him and have misty eyed romantic notion that he'll always be as good as he was in his prime, that he'll continue to confound the doubters and fire us to champions league glory? Ruthless or romantic?

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I'm not. But a player fr the lower leagues who cost half as much as lambert scored as many goals in his first season up

 

I suspect Norwich fans would have had holt over lambert

 

I think you're right that Holt is definitely comparable to Lambert. Like Rickie, Holt rose from the lower leagues, though I'm not so sure about your other assertion.

 

Players are never, ever going to be identical. They will have differences - for example, throughout their time in the Premier League, the two players' goal tallies have been quite similar whereas their assist tally is very different, with Lambert the superior player. On top of that, I think there is some argument for sporting attitude, work ethic, and team conscientiousness.

 

However, does that make them entirely unique? Well, no. Or at least not so different as to warrant comments such as "To suggest Holt is the same player as Lambert is an insult." The players do share a lot of undeniable similarities. This leads to the necessitation of a more nuanced argument or, in other words, we need to change our perspective a bit. It's wrong to say that the two players are identical, but it's also wrong to say that they're polar opposites. I'd argue that there are few players as similar to him in so many ways, and for all intents and purposes, the two can be measured quite effectively against each other in a way that, for example, players like Aguero and Benteke can't.

 

I feel Southampton fans have difficulty in swallowing this last statement, though not unreasonably at all. Rickie Lambert has done phenomenal things for the club throughout his career here, and it's a natural reaction in football to cherish such players to the point of idolisation, for lack of a better word. A comparison to Grant Holt tends to rankle as you are basically saying that this legend is not unique. This feeling is exacerbated by the fact that Lambert is still playing - it wouldn't hurt quite as much if you were to say Le Tissier was comparable to another player (or any other Premier League legend for that matter).

 

So, what can be taken forward from this? Understand when the other person has a point - don't be so stubborn as to ignore perfectly valid, well reasoned argument. Change your own perspective accordingly - often things aren't black and white and the answer is a shade of grey like the conclusion I reached above. Finally, don't be so sensitive or delicate when it comes to criticising or analysing players. Football is very different from the days of past and, although it frustrates to say, players like Lallana who are loyal to their club (for the foreseeable future, at least) really are outliers.

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£8m? yes please, he's done a great job here but it shows just from this year he does not suit this type of system. He's slows down our counter attacks allowing them to get more defenders back and if we are serious in breaking in the top 6 we need someone who can do a better job. At that price i would try and find a real winger to replace JRod and move him upfront to see how he gets on. Using Osvaldo now and again to break him in to the premier league for next season. We need to look to the future, Ricky isn't our future.

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£8m? yes please, he's done a great job here but it shows just from this year he does not suit this type of system. He's slows down our counter attacks allowing them to get more defenders back and if we are serious in breaking in the top 6 we need someone who can do a better job. At that price i would try and find a real winger to replace JRod and move him upfront to see how he gets on. Using Osvaldo now and again to break him in to the premier league for next season. We need to look to the future, Ricky isn't our future.

 

But if we flog Lambert and end up finishing 12th instead of 9th we will lose £8mill in prize money anyway. Not sure that is good business, especially given that we could easily spend £15mill on a replacement that turns out to be garbage.

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No f**king way.

 

Lambert and J-Rod is the only thing we have anywhere near an effective strike partnership. I suppose those saying yes are getting semis on because the Gash decided to honour us with a goal and a half-decent 20mins at the weekend. And Osvaldo is turning into an even bigger Invisible Man than the Gash.

 

I dont want to see another mercenary want-away immediately S. American come in for the price of Rickie plus 10m and do nothing as well. Lambert has been possibly the clubs best buy - EVER - and he still makes things happen (albeit not as consistently as a couple of years ago).

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It would be a little silly to sell him right now. What we need to do first is have a ready made replacement, who we know can come in and do a similar job for us. At the moment, we have nothing.

 

Jay is decent, but a totally different player in that sense - he needs supply, and relies a lot on pace and beating a player etc. Osvaldo still has a hell of a lot to prove.....and that's it. If we bring in someone like Lukaku, then maybe...but until we have someone else of Lamberts ilk ready to come in, that's the reason why we can't sell him.

 

£8m, £10m, £10m, whatever....that money would be nothing to us if we have no one of his ilk ready to come in straight away.

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It would be a little silly to sell him right now. What we need to do first is have a ready made replacement, who we know can come in and do a similar job for us. At the moment, we have nothing.

 

Jay is decent, but a totally different player in that sense - he needs supply, and relies a lot on pace and beating a player etc. Osvaldo still has a hell of a lot to prove.....and that's it. If we bring in someone like Lukaku, then maybe...but until we have someone else of Lamberts ilk ready to come in, that's the reason why we can't sell him.

 

£8m, £10m, £10m, whatever....that money would be nothing to us if we have no one of his ilk ready to come in straight away.

 

Sam Gallagher?

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Ill be getting right behind him today. I dont want him going anywhere.

 

Couldnt replace him for 20 mil. Need to keep him. plus he loves the club

 

Whilst I can agree with the sentiment that "we would never get £8m for a 32 year old so we should bite their arm off", deep down I think it would tear most Saints fans apart to see him scoring for West Ham. It certainly would do me.

I actually don't care if he's not quite as mobile. He still has a role to play on and off the pitch and overall he does still add something to the club. I hope that he retires/goes in to coaching with Saints.

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