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MotM vs Newcastle United (Away 2013/14)  

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  1. 1. MotM vs Newcastle United (Away 2013/14)

    • Gazzaniga
      10
    • Chambers
      8
    • Shaw
      4
    • Hooiveld
      2
    • Lovren
      12
    • Cork
      17
    • Davis, S
      110
    • Ward-Prowse
      0
    • Osvaldo
      1
    • Rodriguez
      82
    • Lambert
      5
    • Lallana
      32
    • Schneiderlin
      1
    • Gallagher
      4

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derry

derry

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Of course it was, so was the back pass, he got away with it. So was Lambert losing Williamson he didn't get away with it, so was Hooiveld's slice, they gave the goal away.

Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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I am guilty of being very worried any time the ball is within range of Gazza. That is simply because I want us to win.

 

However, he is our THIRD choice keeper, and is young. I think it's OK to worry that he is now our first team keeper for the time being, but to judge the guy on the position he has been thrown into as if he is intended to be a top class Premier League goalkeeper is unfair and disingenuous.

 

Yes, he is inadequate for footy at this level. However, he is more than adequate at the moment for a third choice keeper. He deserves some thanks along with some of the criticism.

buctootim

buctootim

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Any player can mis-kick - if it's a striker everybody laughs it off, if it's a young keeper they crucify him.

 

Quite. Even more so for midfielders where 'its just a pass that went astray'. A goalkeeper does it and its 'you cost us a goal you useless bastard' .

derry

derry

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I am guilty of being very worried any time the ball is within range of Gazza. That is simply because I want us to win.

 

However, he is our THIRD choice keeper, and is young. I think it's OK to worry that he is now our first team keeper for the time being, but to judge the guy on the position he has been thrown into as if he is intended to be a top class Premier League goalkeeper is unfair and disingenuous.

 

Yes, he is inadequate for footy at this level. However, he is more than adequate at the moment for a third choice keeper. He deserves some thanks along with some of the criticism.

 

A touch of common sense at last.

CanadaSaint

CanadaSaint

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Shaw 8-brilliant game.

 

I was rather disappointed in Shaw today - for the first time this season.

 

He looked good going forward and has everything he needs to be a superstar, but he was caught upfield too often for my liking and much more than he is usually. What magnified this issue - or possibly made it appear to be a problem this week - is that he had Jos, not Lovren, behind him.

CanadaSaint

CanadaSaint

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I am guilty of being very worried any time the ball is within range of Gazza. That is simply because I want us to win.

 

However, he is our THIRD choice keeper, and is young. I think it's OK to worry that he is now our first team keeper for the time being, but to judge the guy on the position he has been thrown into as if he is intended to be a top class Premier League goalkeeper is unfair and disingenuous.

 

Yes, he is inadequate for footy at this level. However, he is more than adequate at the moment for a third choice keeper. He deserves some thanks along with some of the criticism.

 

Good post, Ohio.

 

There's a reason why keepers peak in their late-twenties/early-thirties. It's because they've developed the ability - often through harsh experience - to read situations correctly before reacting to them, and the confidence that comes from this acquired skill. Gazza hasn't had that luxury, and the PL can be a brutal division if you're still learning.

 

Let's not forget that Jack Butland - for whom many teams were ready to open the bank vault not very long ago - is hardly setting the world alight.

Cabrone

Cabrone

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Great point at a tough ground.

 

Better teams that Saints will go there and get nothing.

 

3 points against Spurs and we'll be purring again.

 

How many days\hours\minutes before Boruc is back again?

OldNick

OldNick

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A touch of common sense at last.
i don't get your position here Derry, you have always slated Kelvin , but then make excuses for Gazza. An agenda perhaps ?
Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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i don't get your position here Derry, you have always slated Kelvin , but then make excuses for Gazza. An agenda perhaps ?

 

KD is how many years older than Gazza? Apples and oranges.

DuncanRG

DuncanRG

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Any player can mis-kick - if it's a striker everybody laughs it off, if it's a young keeper they crucify him.

 

Indeed, but harsh as it may be that's what goalkeepers have to live with.

 

 

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derry

derry

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i don't get your position here Derry, you have always slated Kelvin , but then make excuses for Gazza. An agenda perhaps ?

 

No, Gazzaniga is an inexperienced youngster. Davis is a very experienced shotstopper with too many weaknesses.

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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This was a good point and we were unlucky not to pinch all three, but also lucky that Remy missed a complete sitter. Sorry, but Gazza is not really at a level that befits a Prem keeper. Lambert is drifting away from the pace of the rest of the team. Lallana and Davis were superb today, but if I had to buy just one player in January, it would be an attacking midfieldersimilar to Lallana. JRod looks the business, but Osvaldo is still not proving his worth...yet.

Hokie

Hokie

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Gazzaniga didn't let us down. The mistake he made under pressure from an awkward ball from Lallana, apart from that he was alright, that mistake didn't even begin to compare with Artur Boruc's aberration v Arsenal. He is a young, inexperienced lad playing in the most unforgiving place on the football pitch and he's all we've got. Lambert lost Williamson, Hooiveld sliced his clearance for the goal. Caught out of goal twice but caught the header, made a save then Chambers cleared off the line. Slaughtering him isn't going to make him better.

 

Just my opinion, but I also thought the back pass was a big ask with the spin and (as I recall) a bounce, while under pressure. Yes, Gazza cocked it up, but he was put in a tough situation by the pass. I would not have judged him too harshly if he handled it, and gave up the indirect kick.

 

For the goal, on the other hand, while Jos whiffed on the clearance, I thought Gazza's commitment was poor. (In general, I think that's the weakest part of his game, coming off his line.) He came in with his legs towards the ball and direction of movement. He also seemed to play to a spot short of the ball, rather than attacking through it. A confident goalkeeper cleans up mistakes from teammates, and I think Boruc would have smothered that by attacking the ball arms and chest first.

 

He's young and third choice, so hopefully he'll improve based on this experience.

 

All opinion are based on a few glimpses of replay from specific angles, of course--so I could be completely wrong.

Roger

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No, Gazzaniga is an inexperienced youngster. Davis is a very experienced shotstopper with too many weaknesses.

 

Davis a goalie who has been immense for us in the past and shown great loyalty. I think Gazza has looks v poor tbh. Do you agree Derry that if Davis is fit you would play him next week ?

DuncanRG

DuncanRG

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And fans.

 

Yes. It was certainly a bigger issue when Gazza was chosen to start over Davis and Boruc. For now we just have to grin and bear it, and in the long term give him our patience.

 

 

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OldNick

OldNick

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No, Gazzaniga is an inexperienced youngster. Davis is a very experienced shotstopper with too many weaknesses.
it's not about experience it's about quality. Please give me Gazzas strengths. I do not want him to fail like many wanted Davis to ,in the vain attempt to underline their own stance ( not aimed at you) I have no confidence in him, aka Bialkowski , and tHe string of other keepers we were told were the next best thing by the experts on here
Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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Davis a goalie who has been immense for us in the past and shown great loyalty. I think Gazza has looks v poor tbh. Do you agree Derry that if Davis is fit you would play him next week ?

 

I'm not Derry, but I'll answer anyway. ;) I would play KD personally, but I would not set my expectations much higher, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I love KD and his service to the club, but what we need is a new second place keeper.....Not a new third place keeper.

Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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Hopefully we pick up a #2 keeper in January and Gazza can go out on loan to Championship or League 1 for some experience.

 

Good point. That would be the perfect scenario IMO.

CanadaSaint

CanadaSaint

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What makes the modern game much harder for developing young players, especially keepers, is the fact that if they're not in the first team they're generally not playing at all, and young keepers have to play in order to progress. It would do Gazza the world of good to go out on loan somewhere decent, but we've lacked the depth to be able to do that.

 

On top of this, I lack conviction about our specialized goalkeeper coaching. Davis still has retained the same faults (poor on crosses, vulnerable at the near post), Boruc - although a very good keeper - is still being undone by his own over-confidence which at times borders on criminal casualness, and Gazza's reading of situations has barely improved.

 

Still, they should be okay if they get into a punch-up. ;)

derry

derry

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Just my opinion, but I also thought the back pass was a big ask with the spin and (as I recall) a bounce, while under pressure. Yes, Gazza cocked it up, but he was put in a tough situation by the pass. I would not have judged him too harshly if he handled it, and gave up the indirect kick.

 

For the goal, on the other hand, while Jos whiffed on the clearance, I thought Gazza's commitment was poor. (In general, I think that's the weakest part of his game, coming off his line.) He came in with his legs towards the ball and direction of movement. He also seemed to play to a spot short of the ball, rather than attacking through it. A confident goalkeeper cleans up mistakes from teammates, and I think Boruc would have smothered that by attacking the ball arms and chest first.

 

He's young and third choice, so hopefully he'll improve based on this experience.

 

All opinion are based on a few glimpses of replay from specific angles, of course--so I could be completely wrong.

 

Fair comment, the boy needs to get away on loan to a decent team with a good goalkeeping coach when this run is over and we need to bring in a top class keeper as competition for Artur Boruc.

OldNick

OldNick

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I'm not Derry, but I'll answer anyway. ;) I would play KD personally, but I would not set my expectations much higher, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I love KD and his service to the club, but what we need is a new second place keeper.....Not a new third place keeper.
fair comment, we need another decent keeper,in time that may be Gazza long term but short term??
Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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fair comment, we need another decent keeper,in time that may be Gazza long term but short term??

 

Short term? Hold on, I'll do a quick search on Football Manager 2008. :blush:

OldNick

OldNick

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I reckon that between us, we have put our goalkeeper problems to bed, like a cheap hooker on a Friday night. :)
the hooker is likely to catch something though
derry

derry

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it's not about experience it's about quality. Please give me Gazzas strengths. I do not want him to fail like many wanted Davis to ,in the vain attempt to underline their own stance ( not aimed at you) I have no confidence in him, aka Bialkowski , and tHe string of other keepers we were told were the next best thing by the experts on here

 

I think Davis is not up to this level, neither is Gazzaniga. The more experience he gets the better. Rumour is that Davis will be out until Jan. I wouldn't drop Gazzaniga for Davis.

CanadaSaint

CanadaSaint

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The Independent is reporting that "Arsène Wenger declared after his players conceded six goals to Manchester City that Manuel Pellegrini’s side were “not unbeatable” and no better than Everton and Southampton."

Roger

Roger

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I think Davis is not up to this level, neither is Gazzaniga. The more experience he gets the better. Rumour is that Davis will be out until Jan. I wouldn't drop Gazzaniga for Davis.

 

Utter madness. Davis is definitely the better keeper.

Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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Utter madness. Davis is definitely the better keeper.

 

Since this forum has apparently turned all sensible and civilised, apparently, it would seem a good opportunity to justify your post before the trolls arrive......I will go second. ;)

Shroppie

Shroppie

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On my way home. Great day out, thanks to havasac for useful info if he/she is still looking. Good pubs, good ale, friendly banter.

 

Happy with a point. Gazza still worrying, Jos suffered for a slip.

 

Thought Ricky had a good game playing deeper - he sees a killer pass as well as anyone. Osvaldo anonymous, JRod good. Davis excellent, Morgan and Adam made a big difference and Chambers solid. Lovren massive as usual. Luke - not his best.

 

But great day out, good point.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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The Independent is reporting that "Arsène Wenger declared after his players conceded six goals to Manchester City that Manuel Pellegrini’s side were “not unbeatable” and no better than Everton and Southampton."

 

He's right, Arsenal were just shîte today, might have well as played 4-0-0-2, no midfield at all at all. Ozil,Ramsey,Wilshere and Flamini all dire, just kept giving the ball away.

alehouseboys

alehouseboys

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Very good game, second half for us. Decent point, taking off my Saints tinted specs, wouldn't have been fair on either side to lose that.

 

Makes for a better long trip home or night out up there for the 1200 or so that travelled.

Ohio Saint

Ohio Saint

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The Independent is reporting that "Arsène Wenger declared after his players conceded six goals to Manchester City that Manuel Pellegrini’s side were “not unbeatable” and no better than Everton and Southampton."

 

I'm still trying to figure out if that is a compliment to us, or an insult.

 

Oh. Wait. Arsene is French, so it's an insult......... Buggar!

Chap in the Chapel

Chap in the Chapel

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Fair result. Can see why Pochettino tried Osvaldo and Lambert with Lallana on the bench. We'd have to clear long and two big men holding the ball up with Davis, Cork and Ward-Prowse doing the running would compensate for losing Lallana's creativity. Didn't work though, and Osvaldo was rightly sacrificed at half-time. A classic breakaway goal got us the point in a much better second half. Newcastle well organised but we deserved a draw. This is a tough run that is testing us, but we had an answer today.

Greenridge

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dont worry Derry didn't think Davis was up to L1 or The. Championship. Lol

 

He was forever slaughtering Lallana in his early years too when anyone who knew even the slightest about football could see he was a cut above the rest and destined for great things.

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