A sad indictment of the modern Saints fan?

[UpweySaint]

For many of us it's simple, money. I prefer live games, love them, but as a student it's a rare luxury. I still want to watch saints as often as I can though even if it is with a dodgy canadian stream. More realistic pricing, even for cup games etc would entice the likes of myself into the stadium more often.

[Dr Who?]

For some of course. But at some of the costs quoted there are clearly those for whom actually going to a stadium, eating a salmonella ridden burger and watching live football is becoming a thing of the past, which is a shame.

 

We have our best team for years and still can't sell out a mid to lower sized PL stadium, whilst the most posted on thread is how to watch streams.

 

 

Would love to go to one game at the moment, but just cannot afford it! Gutting as it is in the best season we have had since the early 80's! But that's life for me at the moment

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Some thread about Cortese.

 

Apparently he'd never sell advertising if people don't like him. Because people never do business with people they don't like.

 

You should know...

[Turkish]

Some thread about Cortese.

 

Apparently he'd never sell advertising if people don't like him. Because people never do business with people they don't like.

 

You should know...

 

First rule of business, people buy from people.

[The9]

I'd happily give up my ST if I could guarantee seeing every match in the pub with a pile of like-minded Saints fans, the two matches I've watched in the pub this year on Al-Jazeera were excellent atmospheres, and we got to do the matchday experience without the hassle of paying through the nose to get there.

 

Transport costs, ease of streaming and the cost of match tickets have all increased recently and it's impacting on crowds. The money is all in tv so I don't doubt they'll find a way to get their money's worth, but I'm also certain that the number of people prepared to go to games is a lot lower than it was the last time we were in the Prem (and not just amongst my peer group, who've all got married, had kids, found other things to do etc.) since 2005.

[Smirking_Saint]

I'd happily give up my ST if I could guarantee seeing every match in the pub with a pile of like-minded Saints fans, the two matches I've watched in the pub this year on Al-Jazeera were excellent atmospheres, and we got to do the matchday experience without the hassle of paying through the nose to get there.

 

Definately, the few games Ive managed to catch up the pub, busy pubs have been excellent atmospheres certainly better then it has been recently at St Marys, whether its because you are penned in I dont know.

 

Also watched a couple of England games last Euros in Oceana which was very good except for A. Where it was and B. The fact they ran out of beer.

[Saint Charlie]

I wonder if those of you who never watch Saints live feel any sense of lower entiltement compared to those who shell out their hard earned cash to support the team?

 

Hypo et al? Have you lowered your expectations since you stopped financially supporting the club?

[ashleyb5443]

Prompted by the other thread discussing new stadia and expansions for QPR and Cardiff...

 

Q: The most viewed thread on page one of this forum?

 

A: Watch every game live

 

This thread has approx 60,000 views, double the January transfer window thread, and over 800 posts.

 

Looking through it there seems to be an array of fans who are sharing titbts about different grainy streams, malware ridden websites and dodgy match feeds which charge sizeables fees.

 

Is this more worthy than discussing actual football, or going to live matches?

 

I can understand those who are located abroad, it is a way to watch your team, but realistically how will we ever command greater attendances than the early 30,000s if more and more UK based fans choose to take this path than actually going to see live football? Only a small handful of matches have sold out thus far.

 

Of course this goes beyond just Saints, the FA Cup draw was live at the same time as a PL game for the first time, and on New Years Day there is a live PL game at 3pm (ours incidently).

 

It would be interesting to know how many fans on here do actually go to watch Saints live as a proportion of posters, and how many of those on here are basically just Al-Jazeera monkeys?

 

What sort of ongoing impact will this recent trend have on the future of our club and football as a whole?[/

 

Another thing to think about is that there's a number of other sources to find genuine (or sometimes not) reports on things like transfer windows.

 

Half of this forum is filled with complete crap. It takes a couple of comments before someone starts moaning.

 

The thread on the streaming games is actually very useful factual information. It's the type of stuff that the daily mail (I say this first as i would imagine there's a high number of readers on here) or echo won't report on, because it's illegal. It's the type of stuff you'll only find on Internet forums.

 

I'm traveling at the moment and would really like to watch the game tomorrow but no one here has a clue who saints are. One Cambodian bloke did manage to say to me oh Southampton, the new team.

Everywhere you go there's fake shirts and locals wearing all the other teams from the top half of the table. Cortese must be doing something to keep copyright laws in place.

Anyway, I really want to watch the game so the only option I have is to look at that thread. Btw half of it is with people saying I can't get this to work and so on. The man city game was the first home game I've missed in nearly 3 years although this month I've looked through one thread more than the other.

Regular season ticket holders who want to go to any local away games will also be searching to watch the games.

[syd_barrett_saint]

In response to Phil, what makes him think that Saints fans in Dubai have any more right to watch Saints live on TV than Saints fans in the rest of the world?

[ashleyb5443]

Anyone wanting to watch saints anywhere in the world is good news!

[dubai_phil]

In response to Phil, what makes him think that Saints fans in Dubai have any more right to watch Saints live on TV than Saints fans in the rest of the world?

 

We PAID for a service. It has been taken away because of breaches. It has NOT been taken away in the rest of SE Asia for example.

AJS will tighten up their systems by January. But then ART & other wise posters will find a way of hacking the live feeds from the US. Anyone imagine for one moment they would pull the TV rights from US Service Providers?

 

The issue is that people in the UK used fraudulent means to make money - note how others have said Pubs were busy, good atmosphere etc. Well those Landlords are taking EXTRA money on the days they show games, they are BREACHING the rules on Broadcast Rights in the UK. It is not OUR fault that you lot want to drink cheap Supermarket booze at home and any remaaining pubs have to resort to breaking "the law" to try and stay in business.

 

Sky Italia have also had their rights pulled. That makes around 3 million people who have lost access due to the actions of a few greedy Pub Landlords in the UK.

 

The decision to PULL the rights is Bullsh1t.

 

It is Sky & PL & UK Police forces being LAZY. They should be banging on doors and arresting the pubs that are doing this NOT screwing OUR football watching experience (and by OUR I mean EVERY bloody PL fan in Middle East, North Africa & Italy)

 

The issue is simple. The PL should be allowing Pubs to take a LEGAL feed of all games - it should be sensibly priced. The PROBLEM is that the clubs say it will reduce attendances. Well, the posts on this thread prove that people would prefer to watch in the pub than pay stupid money to fund the salaries of the players they want clubs to buy. So PL will not provide a service that people WANT. But why the HELL take it out on US?

[St Mikie]

I'm a Season Ticket holder.

I would LOVE to watch every game at home. God I dream of the day I can come back and do that.

 

I can't, so Al Jazeera was my salvation. I paid for an annual subscription to 380 live games. We formed a family of Saints fans here in Dubai to share the experience of watching the games together.

 

And as I posted in the early days of that Watch every game live thread, all the fraudulent activities needed to sign up, dodgy work arounds that are listed would lead to trouble.

 

What I never imagined was that the actions of so many greedy bstds in the UK would lead to ME and fellow Saints fans here being deprived of a Social event.

 

Frankly if I could find a way to report every damn one of the people cheating the system so we could get the service WE paid for back.

 

I would do it in an instance.

 

Exactly my view Phil. P***es me off that all we wanna do in Dubai is watch a game legally!

[Baldbarbarian]

Isn't the upside of this that more people want to watch Saints play, the medium used is mostly irrelevant and who knows it may even coax a few extra bods to the ground......

 

Bingo! Totally agree

[Baldbarbarian]

We PAID for a service. It has been taken away because of breaches. It has NOT been taken away in the rest of SE Asia for example.

AJS will tighten up their systems by January. But then ART & other wise posters will find a way of hacking the live feeds from the US. Anyone imagine for one moment they would pull the TV rights from US Service Providers?

 

The issue is that people in the UK used fraudulent means to make money - note how others have said Pubs were busy, good atmosphere etc. Well those Landlords are taking EXTRA money on the days they show games, they are BREACHING the rules on Broadcast Rights in the UK. It is not OUR fault that you lot want to drink cheap Supermarket booze at home and any remaaining pubs have to resort to breaking "the law" to try and stay in business.

 

Sky Italia have also had their rights pulled. That makes around 3 million people who have lost access due to the actions of a few greedy Pub Landlords in the UK.

 

The decision to PULL the rights is Bullsh1t.

 

It is Sky & PL & UK Police forces being LAZY. They should be banging on doors and arresting the pubs that are doing this NOT screwing OUR football watching experience (and by OUR I mean EVERY bloody PL fan in Middle East, North Africa & Italy)

 

The issue is simple. The PL should be allowing Pubs to take a LEGAL feed of all games - it should be sensibly priced. The PROBLEM is that the clubs say it will reduce attendances. Well, the posts on this thread prove that people would prefer to watch in the pub than pay stupid money to fund the salaries of the players they want clubs to buy. So PL will not provide a service that people WANT. But why the HELL take it out on US?

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17150054

 

This is the reason more & more pubs are showing 3pm kick offs. Most of the feeds I have seen in pubs are from Canada/US.

[ashleyb5443]

They must be reviewing it and trying to work out a way to fairly show it in other countries. The problem with that service was that it was too cheap. If you decide to move abroad then it's one of the things that you have to be willing to sacrifice.

Most people who decide to move abroad get a pay rise at the same time as paying little or no tax so there's no reason why they should pay next to nothing to watch every game where in the uk there's many who struggle to pay sky prices of £70 a month just to watch a few games.

[dubai_phil]

They must be reviewing it and trying to work out a way to fairly show it in other countries. The problem with that service was that it was too cheap. If you decide to move abroad then it's one of the things that you have to be willing to sacrifice.

Most people who decide to move abroad get a pay rise at the same time as paying little or no tax so there's no reason why they should pay next to nothing to watch every game where in the uk there's many who struggle to pay sky prices of £70 a month just to watch a few games.

 

The money received by the EPL for the overseas rights has trebled in the last 3 auctions.

 

So you are saying that someone in Thailand, India, Africa, Egypt should pay the same as someone in the UK to watch? Perhaps the UK could have a Sky Coverage Benefits system to make it all more equitable?

 

My Entertainment package (Sky equivalent) is US$350 a year. The Cable Subscription for PL matches is $20 per month. Internet subscription to get the package for PL is $130 per month. So DON'T give us the oh 70 quid is a lot of money crap.

 

I could have gone for direct Sat feed, but the OSN (Entertainment) uses a different system and box and AJS, so it would have cost me US$300 for the box and dish and another set of holes drilled into the walls and more cables snaking along the walls which the Landlord will not allow..

 

All of that would have been useless in 30 months time anyway as some other outfit would no doubt win the rights with an increased bid. (As all those who bought Abu Dhabi Sports boxes discovered when they lost the rights this season.

 

For Arab Nationals in the region (ie non-English Speakers) AJS is a great service as it is broadcast on Arab & Nile Sats and they tend to have already had those systems installed. We have 4 different main Service Providers in this region unlike your monopoly.

 

Anyways, the Watch live thread is nonsense. You should have a thread in TMS or the Lounge on how you can all access Hotbird and watch the extreme Porn Channels for free

[whelk]

Is the point of this post some luddite doesn't like the internet railing against fans who use it to get their football fix? Loads that is crp with the internet but giving access to all games isn't one of them. I have missed a handful of home games over last 5 years and no conflict whatsoever with attending. So many factors affect attendance and I can afford to go no problem however if continue to increase will reconsider more out of principle. Even a 3% increase is unacceptable giving the riches swilling around the PL.

 

And that thread referenced has helped a lot of people who may not have been tech savvy so no I do not agree a sad indictment whatsoever.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Is the point of this post some luddite doesn't like the internet railing against fans who use it to get their football fix? Loads that is crp with the internet but giving access to all games isn't one of them. I have missed a handful of home games over last 5 years and no conflict whatsoever with attending. So many factors affect attendance and I can afford to go no problem however if continue to increase will reconsider more out of principle. Even a 3% increase is unacceptable giving the riches swilling around the PL.

 

And that thread referenced has helped a lot of people who may not have been tech savvy so no I do not agree a sad indictment whatsoever.

 

It's this guys second thread this week for taking shots at saints (and football) fans this week.

 

What is that an indictment of?

[Smirking_Saint]

On another note, I notice that Saints player no longer offers full match replays after games, anyone know where I can get these ?

[syd_barrett_saint]

We PAID for a service. It has been taken away because of breaches. It has NOT been taken away in the rest of SE Asia for example.

AJS will tighten up their systems by January. But then ART & other wise posters will find a way of hacking the live feeds from the US. Anyone imagine for one moment they would pull the TV rights from US Service Providers?

 

The issue is that people in the UK used fraudulent means to make money - note how others have said Pubs were busy, good atmosphere etc. Well those Landlords are taking EXTRA money on the days they show games, they are BREACHING the rules on Broadcast Rights in the UK. It is not OUR fault that you lot want to drink cheap Supermarket booze at home and any remaaining pubs have to resort to breaking "the law" to try and stay in business.

 

Sky Italia have also had their rights pulled. That makes around 3 million people who have lost access due to the actions of a few greedy Pub Landlords in the UK.

 

The decision to PULL the rights is Bullsh1t.

 

It is Sky & PL & UK Police forces being LAZY. They should be banging on doors and arresting the pubs that are doing this NOT screwing OUR football watching experience (and by OUR I mean EVERY bloody PL fan in Middle East, North Africa & Italy)

 

The issue is simple. The PL should be allowing Pubs to take a LEGAL feed of all games - it should be sensibly priced. The PROBLEM is that the clubs say it will reduce attendances. Well, the posts on this thread prove that people would prefer to watch in the pub than pay stupid money to fund the salaries of the players they want clubs to buy. So PL will not provide a service that people WANT. But why the HELL take it out on US?

 

I live in a country where the only way I can watch games is online. If I have a chance to watch a quality stream, I'll do it, because I want to watch my team. The problem is the Premier League who don't ensure that there is a legal way for someone to pay to watch any game anywhere in the world, NOT the fan who circumvents the idiotic system so that he can watch his beloved team.

 

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[Wilko]

I wonder if those of you who never watch Saints live feel any sense of lower entiltement compared to those who shell out their hard earned cash to support the team?

 

Hypo et al? Have you lowered your expectations since you stopped financially supporting the club?

 

Why would financial support make any difference? This isn't a community composting co-operative, it's a business. If that much isn't clear, then you've missed a few steps.

[hypochondriac]

I wonder if those of you who never watch Saints live feel any sense of lower entiltement compared to those who shell out their hard earned cash to support the team?

 

Hypo et al? Have you lowered your expectations since you stopped financially supporting the club?

 

I do financially support the club, maybe not as much as I used to but I still do. I had two seasons tickets in the championship for example when everyone else jumped ship. In many ways it is easier to support the club now than during the hard times.

[Saint Charlie]

I do financially support the club, maybe not as much as I used to but I still do. I had two seasons tickets in the championship for example when everyone else jumped ship. In many ways it is easier to support the club now than during the hard times.

 

Yeah agree with that. Far easier and more accessible now than in the L1 days.

 

Something good about experiencing those for sure.

[badgerx16]

Anybody got a decent stream ?

Edited 14 December, 2013 by badgerx16

[Saint86]

Prompted by the other thread discussing new stadia and expansions for QPR and Cardiff...

 

Q: The most viewed thread on page one of this forum?

 

A: Watch every game live

 

 

 

This thread has approx 60,000 views, double the January transfer window thread, and over 800 posts.

 

Looking through it there seems to be an array of fans who are sharing titbts about different grainy streams, malware ridden websites and dodgy match feeds which charge sizeables fees.

 

Is this more worthy than discussing actual football, or going to live matches?

 

I can understand those who are located abroad, it is a way to watch your team, but realistically how will we ever command greater attendances than the early 30,000s if more and more UK based fans choose to take this path than actually going to see live football? Only a small handful of matches have sold out thus far.

 

Of course this goes beyond just Saints, the FA Cup draw was live at the same time as a PL game for the first time, and on New Years Day there is a live PL game at 3pm (ours incidently).

 

It would be interesting to know how many fans on here do actually go to watch Saints live as a proportion of posters, and how many of those on here are basically just Al-Jazeera monkeys?

 

What sort of ongoing impact will this recent trend have on the future of our club and football as a whole?

 

I live in bristol and have a season ticket and get to away games when I can, the last being arsenal. I don't benefit from supporter way deals or coach travel packages etc, and I pay a lot more to get to a game than most. So when I can't make I watch it online. I agree there are a lot of armchair posters who don't appear to even watch the games before flaming on here. but on the whole it seems to be due to away fans not selling out and hospitality packages being poor and not selling. Either way, streaming is here to stay. A better way to tackle the coming issue is to make all games pay to view and reduce ticket prices. because ATM, a guy in Thailand can watch every single saints game etc, but we have to pay a lot of money and effort to make an atmosphere for them to watch... yet we can't watch it ourselves? seem fair to you? when the fans realise this it will force a change IMHO