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I am amazed everyone can remember and recall what everyone has posted and bring it back up all the time,

I think I have insulted many but be buggered if I can remember when and only a few of the who's but have not really considered that anyone has harboured a grudge against me. Most discussions are throwaway stuff surely but seem more personal.

Sweet little community in many ways

 

Ive never forgotten your harsh words Whelk, Im just going to sit back and choose my opportunity to exact rightious vengeance.

Just when you thought it was safe to post Ill spring up and 'BAM' Ill let you know that I have you on ignore, tue sadacts superweapon of choice.

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They're in London, they'll have no problem shifting tickets if they're in the Premier League.

 

Fulham and West Ham will be in touch with you asap for the secret solution

Fulham averaging 96% of their capacity this season and with plans afoot to significantly increase capacity of Craven Cottage.

 

West Ham averaging 99% of capacity this season with plans to move to a new stadium almost twice the size.

 

Sorry, what was your point?

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Fulham averaging 96% of their capacity this season and with plans afoot to significantly increase capacity of Craven Cottage.

 

West Ham averaging 99% of capacity this season with plans to move to a new stadium almost twice the size.

 

Sorry, what was your point?

 

And Fulham have a neutral stand in an effort to swell the gate with "passers by". West Ham sang "your grounds too big for you" this season at SMS if ever a song was going to come back and haunt fans then that was it. They all live in the shadow of Chelsea, Arsenal, and to a slightly lesser extent Spurs, QPR are going to have to achieve something special consistently to fill a 40,000 stadium with more glamorous teams in the same town.

I have cousins who are Bury season ticket holders, one of them was part of the fans trust that saved them from going pop a few years ago, they always said that if you look at the attendances at all the other clubs around Manchester they rarely reach capacity simply because United especially suck football fans in like a Hoover locally (despite Football folklore) so the lesser the team the bigger the struggle to get folks through the turnstile. So strong is their influence that when the protest team FC United of Manchester got up and running they shared Bury's Gigg Lane for home games and attendances were on a par with Burys home gates.

Someone must have done the maths at QPR before deciding on a 40,000 seat stadium though.

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And Fulham have a neutral stand in an effort to swell the gate with "passers by". West Ham sang "your grounds too big for you" this season at SMS if ever a song was going to come back and haunt fans then that was it. They all live in the shadow of Chelsea, Arsenal, and to a slightly lesser extent Spurs, QPR are going to have to achieve something special consistently to fill a 40,000 stadium with more glamorous teams in the same town.

I have cousins who are Bury season ticket holders, one of them was part of the fans trust that saved them from going pop a few years ago, they always said that if you look at the attendances at all the other clubs around Manchester they rarely reach capacity simply because United especially suck football fans in like a Hoover locally (despite Football folklore) so the lesser the team the bigger the struggle to get folks through the turnstile. So strong is their influence that when the protest team FC United of Manchester got up and running they shared Bury's Gigg Lane for home games and attendances were on a par with Burys home gates.

Someone must have done the maths at QPR before deciding on a 40,000 seat stadium though.

 

Sorry John, have you missed Krakens point earlier ?

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And Fulham have a neutral stand in an effort to swell the gate with "passers by".

 

And yet they're still looking to increase the capacity of Craven Cottage. Why?

 

West Ham sang "your grounds too big for you" this season at SMS if ever a song was going to come back and haunt fans then that was it.

While that's true you'd have to be an idiot to suggest that West Ham wouldn't benefit from a larger stadium. 99% of capacity this season playing a very ugly brand of football. It remains to be seen how close they'll get to capacity in the Olympic stadium but its a fantastic deal for them in any case. I reckon 40k - 50K against the bigger sides is about their level, but we'll see.

 

They all live in the shadow of Chelsea, Arsenal, and to a slightly lesser extent Spurs, QPR are going to have to achieve something special consistently to fill a 40,000 stadium with more glamorous teams in the same town.

I have cousins who are Bury season ticket holders, one of them was part of the fans trust that saved them from going pop a few years ago, they always said that if you look at the attendances at all the other clubs around Manchester they rarely reach capacity simply because United especially suck football fans in like a Hoover locally (despite Football folklore) so the lesser the team the bigger the struggle to get folks through the turnstile. So strong is their influence that when the protest team FC United of Manchester got up and running they shared Bury's Gigg Lane for home games and attendances were on a par with Burys home gates.

Someone must have done the maths at QPR before deciding on a 40,000 seat stadium though.

QPR won't hit 40K every game. Obviously neither would we if we had one. But they'll do it against top sides.

 

I wouldn't be too quick to judge a club's size by the capacity of its stadium that they're looking to upgrade from. I think the parallels with Saints are quite striking, we're just 10 or 15 years ahead. In the 70s QPR were a fashionable side and had a record attendance of 35K. So they clearly have a history of decent crowds. Our record in the Dell was 31K and we very easily went from 15K to 32K over the course of a summer. QPR could easily do something similar IMO.

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qpr average gate this season is 18,000

their highest ever gate was 38,000,

to think they will fill a 40,000 stadium every other week,even in London is unrealistic

just like we wouldn't if we had a 40,000 seater stadium

 

why do they have to fill a ground every week to build it such size.

why not get 35k most weeks and sell out for the london derbies/liverpool/united/city

 

that is still loads of games

 

I really cant see them NOT having 30k or so fans going most weeks in the prem. throw in a slightly larger away allocation (say circa 5k) then its no real biggy is it.

 

we would easily take 5k as away fans there for a prem game (maybe even more)

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why do they have to fill a ground every week to build it such size.

why not get 35k most weeks and sell out for the london derbies/liverpool/united/city

 

that is still loads of games

Precisely James.

 

When capacity was being chosen for St. Mary's, the 32,000 figure was arrived based on a sliding scale of figures in that we could achieve that sort of crowd for 6 or 7 games a season. It was anticipated at the time that most of our crowds would fall well short of 30K.

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Fulham averaging 96% of their capacity this season and with plans afoot to significantly increase capacity of Craven Cottage.

 

West Ham averaging 99% of capacity this season with plans to move to a new stadium almost twice the size.

 

Sorry, what was your point?

 

I have been beaten to it but Fulham cant fill their smaller ground even with neutrals. And if you live or work in London you will see that West Ham regularly have tickets to sell 2 days before game, despite virtually giving away thousands in the "kids for a quid" promotions / hand outs.

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I have been beaten to it but Fulham cant fill their smaller ground even with neutrals.

Why are you trying to ignore the facts? Fulham are 96% full this season despite being in the bottom 3 for most of it. Pretty much the same last season. If they can't fill it now, why are they looking to make it bigger? Genuine question.

 

And if you live or work in London you will see that West Ham regularly have tickets to sell 2 days before game, despite virtually giving away thousands in the "kids for a quid" promotions / hand outs.

99% capacity this season despite playing one of the ugliest brands of football in the division. Whatever they're doing to market it, they're doing it well. They sell out every week.

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Why are you trying to ignore the facts? Fulham are 96% full this season despite being in the bottom 3 for most of it. Pretty much the same last season. If they can't fill it now, why are they looking to make it bigger? Genuine question.

 

 

99% capacity this season despite playing one of the ugliest brands of football in the division. Whatever they're doing to market it, they're doing it well. They sell out every week.

 

I have no idea why Fulham want a much bigger ground. Fulham have an old ground so a move to a new modern stadium makes sense. That does not mean they will definitely sell a lot more tickets

 

As for West Ham "selling out", you are the one ignoring facts. Which bit of the giving away tickets for a £1 did you miss? Fair play to anyone selling 35,000 tickets at full cost, obut just getting 35,000 inside does not pay the bills. West Ham are still heavily in debt. In any event, QPR will not get 35k IMO.

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I have no idea why Fulham want a much bigger ground. Fulham have an old ground so a move to a new moderm stadium makes sense. That does not mean they will definitely sell a lot more tickets
. They're looking at redevloping Craven Cottage to increase capacity. 96% is just about full. When Saints had our best ever season in 2003/04, with average gates around 1,000 above anything we'd had before or since, we averaged 97% of capacity at St. Mary's. Quite easy to see why fulham want a bigger stadium; they think they can get more fans in, and they're right.

 

As for West Ham "selling out", you are the one ignoring facts. Which bit of the giving away tickets for a £1 did you miss? Fair play to anyone selling 35,000 tickets at full costs, but just getting 35,000 inside does not pay the bills. West Ham are still heavily in debt. In any event, QPR will not get 35k

I'm not ignoring facts at all. West Ham do kids for a quid for 6 games a season. Six. So that's 13 other games that they sell out where they don't discount.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24045505

"West Ham United will offer a "kids for a quid" deal at as many as six home games this season as they continue efforts to attract a new generation of fans.The Hammers, who have sold out their past 18 home league matches, will have almost 20,000 more seats available when they move from Upton Park to the 54,000-seater Olympic Stadium in 2016."

 

You said "fair play to anyone selling 35,000 tickets at full costs", is that not what they did for the other games that weren't kids for a quid?

 

But its good to hear that "QPR will not get 35k". Strong argument that one.

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. I'm not ignoring facts at all. West Ham do kids for a quid for 6 games a season. Six. So that's 13 other games that they sell out where they don't discount.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24045505

"West Ham United will offer a "kids for a quid" deal at as many as six home games this season as they continue efforts to attract a new generation of fans.The Hammers, who have sold out their past 18 home league matches, will have almost 20,000 more seats available when they move from Upton Park to the 54,000-seater Olympic Stadium in 2016."

 

You said "fair play to anyone selling 35,000 tickets at full costs", is that not what they did for the other games that weren't kids for a quid?

 

But its good to hear that "QPR will not get 35k". Strong argument that one.

 

You said "they sell out every week". Now you say its actually for 13 of the 19 games. Great consistent arguments from you.

 

Dont let me stop you rushing to get your money on QPR averaging 35k when they move though

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You said "they sell out every week". Now you say its actually for 13 of the 19 games. Great consistent arguments from you.

Have another read. I said they sell out 13 of 19 matches a season that AREN'T kids for a quid. They also sell out the 6 kids for a quid games. The ones that you originally raised as being the only reason that West Ham sell out all their games. The article I linked was also quite clear in highlighting the number of consecutive games that West Ham had sold out.

 

In fairness, while your original post was littered with sarcasm it was actually unintentionally correct. You said "Fulham and West Ham will be in touch with you asap for the secret solution" ​and I guess you were more accurate that you originally thought. West Ham may be owned and run by a bunch of tw*ts but their approach to ticketing and pricing is admirable.

 

"It is not a simple case of introducing an attractive pricing strategy," said vice-chairman Karren Brady. "That is key, but it must be supported by the product and work in tandem with the need to retain and reward seasonal supporters."Since we became involved in football, David Sullivan, David Gold and I have been committed to offering affordable football to all.

"At Birmingham City, we pioneered the popular 'kids for a quid' promotion. We feel passionately that people from all walks of life should have access to elite sport to enjoy, to inspire them and to encourage sports participation.

"While the visits of some of the world's most recognised teams will continue to merit a premium price, there are always opportunities to make Premier League football more accessible

"Competitive pricing is important because, as consumer tastes develop and the availability of alternative experiences increases, Premier League football must compete with other family days out. This means clubs must differentiate themselves to remain competitive. This is particularly true in London."

 

Records crowds at Upton park suggest, discounts or otherwise, West Ham have got something absolutely right. Shame its so hard to admit it. Fair play to them; personally I wouldn't be inclined to pay a tenner to go and watch their turgid football game in game out, so they've done well to find so many who will IMO.

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40K for QPR does seem a touch unrealistic. An SMS size stadium would be more realistic and provide the facilities that Loftus Road doesn't have. It would be cheaper to build as well. It's all very well having grand plans, but these things need to be funded.

 

When Saints moved from the Dell, they got the capacity wrong. Planning permission for Stoneham was 25K. The thought with SMS was that it would only be filled 6-7 times per season as the Kraken points out. However, we ended up averaging over 30K for all the seasons that we have been in the Premier League. In hindsight, SMS should have been around 35-36K, and it's why we keep on having threads about extending it.

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40K for QPR does seem a touch unrealistic. An SMS size stadium would be more realistic and provide the facilities that Loftus Road doesn't have. It would be cheaper to build as well. It's all very well having grand plans, but these things need to be funded.

 

I'm genuinely interested to know what you're basing this on? I think 40K is too big for, say QPR v West Brom. They won't fill that, but an awful lot of clubs wouldn't, including us. But against the bigger sides I'd say they have a very good chance.

 

We went from 15K to 32.5K over one summer; and you say that we got that wrong, we should have gone higher. Why do you say that its different for QPR and that they should only look to go from 18.5K to 32.5k?

 

Genuine question, I'm interested to hear the rationale.

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Have another read. I said they sell out 13 of 19 matches a season that AREN'T kids for a quid. They also sell out the 6 kids for a quid games. The ones that you originally raised as being the only reason that West Ham sell out all their games. The article I linked was also quite clear in highlighting the number of consecutive games that West Ham had sold out.

 

In fairness, while your original post was littered with sarcasm it was actually unintentionally correct. You said "Fulham and West Ham will be in touch with you asap for the secret solution" ​and I guess you were more accurate that you originally thought. West Ham may be owned and run by a bunch of tw*ts but their approach to ticketing and pricing is admirable.

 

 

 

Records crowds at Upton park suggest, discounts or otherwise, West Ham have got something absolutely right. Shame its so hard to admit it. Fair play to them; personally I wouldn't be inclined to pay a tenner to go and watch their turgid football game in game out, so they've done well to find so many who will IMO.

 

You could start an argument with yourself. Selling tickets for £1 is virtually giving them away. It does not cover the ticket office cost. Yes of course it means that the tickets have been SOLD, but its not the same as selling out a stadium every week like say Man Utd do. Sorry you struggle with the difference

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You could start an argument with yourself. Selling tickets for £1 is virtually giving them away. It does not cover the ticket office cost. Yes of course it means that the tickets have been SOLD, but its not the same as selling out a stadium every week like say Man Utd do. Sorry you struggle with the difference

How is this an argument? What a silly suggestion.

 

I can see you're still struggling with this so I'll clarify it again. You said that west Ham only sell out as they do kids for a quid. As I showed you, they actually do 6 games a season with kids for a quid (and its a kid with one full paying adult, which Saints and many other clubs have done in the past or continue to do, and is a good idea). And those games are the ones that are the least attractive, so it makes common sense for them to do that. Premium games don't need the price reduction.

 

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand, if I'm honest. If QPR want to get close to filling a bigger stadium on a consistent basis then that's exactly what they should be doing.

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How is this an argument? What a silly suggestion.

 

I can see you're still struggling with this so I'll clarify it again. You said that west Ham only sell out as they do kids for a quid. As I showed you, they actually do 6 games a season with kids for a quid (and its a kid with one full paying adult, which Saints and many other clubs have done in the past or continue to do, and is a good idea). And those games are the ones that are the least attractive, so it makes common sense for them to do that. Premium games don't need the price reduction.

 

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand, if I'm honest. If QPR want to get close to filling a bigger stadium on a consistent basis then that's exactly what they should be doing.

 

FFS i did not say its a bad idea. If you have large numbers of empty seats then yes, fill them however you can. But you put West Ham up as an example of why QPR should build a 40k stadium, if they get back to the Prem, because they are in London. I am sure we could fill 45k if we gave away 15k tickets for the lesser games, or maybe most games, but I would not use that as a reason Saints should build such a ground

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FFS i did not say its a bad idea. If you have large numbers of empty seats then yes, fill them however you can. But you put West Ham up as an example of why QPR should build a 40k stadium, if they get back to the Prem, because they are in London. I am sure we could fill 45k if we gave away 15k tickets for the lesser games, or maybe most games, but I would not use that as a reason Saints should build such a ground

Where on earth are you getting your figures from? You seem to be under the idea that West Ham need thousands of cheap under 11 tickets to get their attendances up week after week. They clearly don't, this is wrong. Two thirds of their games have none of this discounting which you were so keen to expose, and pretty much all of those games sell out without the need of discounting.

 

By the way, are you aware how common the kids for a quid thing is? Saints do something that's even better, and do it more often. For all Cat B and Cat C games, kids tickets in the family enclosure are free when bought with an adult ticket. That's £1 less than West Ham. So, just maybe, you're overplaying the effect of the kids for a quid thing??

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Where on earth are you getting your figures from? You seem to be under the idea that West Ham need thousands of cheap under 11 tickets to get their attendances up week after week. They clearly don't, this is wrong. Two thirds of their games have none of this discounting which you were so keen to expose, and pretty much all of those games sell out without the need of discounting.

 

By the way, are you aware how common the kids for a quid thing is? Saints do something that's even better, and do it more often. For all Cat B and Cat C games, kids tickets in the family enclosure are free when bought with an adult ticket. That's £1 less than West Ham. So, just maybe, you're overplaying the effect of the kids for a quid thing??

 

So we should move from SMS, build a new mega stadium, and then just expand these sort of promotions to fill it then?

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So we should move from SMS, build a new mega stadium, and then just expand these sort of promotions to fill it then?

Er, what? I've not even mentioned Saints needing a bigger stadium in this thread. I just pointed out that your "kids for a quid is the only reason why West Ham get sell-outs" line of thinking is plain and simply wrong. Its also quite telling that, despite having a scheme of our own that is better and applied more often, we have hardly had any sell outs of our own, so the effect is clearly minimal.

 

But if you feel you need to make things up to labour a point against then you go for it.

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Er, what? I've not even mentioned Saints needing a bigger stadium in this thread. I just pointed out that your "kids for a quid is the only reason why West Ham get sell-outs" line of thinking is plain and simply wrong. Its also quite telling that, despite having a scheme of our own that is better and applied more often, we have hardly had any sell outs of our own, so the effect is clearly minimal.

 

But if you feel you need to make things up to labour a point against then you go for it.

 

Give it a

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Er, what? I've not even mentioned Saints needing a bigger stadium in this thread. I just pointed out that your "kids for a quid is the only reason why West Ham get sell-outs" line of thinking is plain and simply wrong. Its also quite telling that, despite having a scheme of our own that is better and applied more often, we have hardly had any sell outs of our own, so the effect is clearly minimal.

 

But if you feel you need to make things up to labour a point against then you go for it.

 

But QPR should though, right? See the OP to remind yourself

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But QPR should though, right? See the OP to remind yourself

I feel I was very clear on this the first time round, but to clarify it (again) for you:

 

MLG stated this: "I think for QPR a 28,000 to 30,000 seater stadium that allows for future expansion if needed would be more realistic. Jumping straight from 18k to 40k is a huge leap."

 

I responded with this: "Yes it is. But weren't you claiming that Saints 32K stadium wasn't big enough based upon our previous years in the PL? 4 years of gates seemed enough in your eyes to justify expansion up to 40K. Bearing in mind that chucking on additional seats typically costs a lot more than building the seats in the first place (rumoured to be at least 3x times the original cost in our case) the only logic for that can be checking if 28K - 30K is big enough in the first place. And being as Saints went from 15K to 32K then very quickly were told by some fans that the capacity wasn't big enough, I'm not sure I see why QPR shouldn't use that as a benchmark of sorts as to why they might be able to go from an 18K start point to 40K but without the need for the 28K middle ground stadium in between in between. Brighton are another example of how a fanbase can be grown from very humble starts to very sizeable crowds in very short times (8K - 32K for Brighton). Plus, for QPR, the difference in cost to them between building 28K and 40K probably isn't a huge proportion in the general scheme of things."

 

The whole "West Ham only sell out because of kids for a quid every week" was your fabrication and something separate. Glad to clarify it all once again, but I'm still mystified where you've created this notion that I advocate wholesale discounts from. It's a very strange line of thinking.

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I feel I was very clear on this the first time round, but to clarify it (again) for you:

 

MLG stated this: "I think for QPR a 28,000 to 30,000 seater stadium that allows for future expansion if needed would be more realistic. Jumping straight from 18k to 40k is a huge leap."

 

I responded with this: "Yes it is. But weren't you claiming that Saints 32K stadium wasn't big enough based upon our previous years in the PL? 4 years of gates seemed enough in your eyes to justify expansion up to 40K. Bearing in mind that chucking on additional seats typically costs a lot more than building the seats in the first place (rumoured to be at least 3x times the original cost in our case) the only logic for that can be checking if 28K - 30K is big enough in the first place. And being as Saints went from 15K to 32K then very quickly were told by some fans that the capacity wasn't big enough, I'm not sure I see why QPR shouldn't use that as a benchmark of sorts as to why they might be able to go from an 18K start point to 40K but without the need for the 28K middle ground stadium in between in between. Brighton are another example of how a fanbase can be grown from very humble starts to very sizeable crowds in very short times (8K - 32K for Brighton). Plus, for QPR, the difference in cost to them between building 28K and 40K probably isn't a huge proportion in the general scheme of things."

 

The whole "West Ham only sell out because of kids for a quid every week" was your fabrication and something separate. Glad to clarify it all once again, but I'm still mystified where you've created this notion that I advocate wholesale discounts from. It's a very strange line of thinking.

 

So answer the question, should QPR move to a 40k stadium then? That was the point of this thread

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So answer the question, should QPR move to a 40k stadium then? That was the point of this thread

 

Like you probably I have no idea of the facts about QPR's move to Old Oak but they have a huge catchment area in NW London and if they think it is a good idea then we should leave it to them

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Ive never forgotten your harsh words Whelk, Im just going to sit back and choose my opportunity to exact rightious vengeance.

Just when you thought it was safe to post Ill spring up and 'BAM' Ill let you know that I have you on ignore, tue sadacts superweapon of choice.

 

Ahh I think I remember now - it was the Walsall post-match thread where we disagreed over who was MOTM and it escalated to me calling you a rotten scoundrel and damned your fishpond. Apologies for that I was still angry about a borderline offside decision and a luke warm pie. Time heals etc.

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Just spoken to QPR....:rolleyes:

 

Stated they were grateful for our concerns:p

 

But will continue with their 40,000 seater stadium plans....:)

 

Arrys dog stated that the club would not be getting one bictoin from the account.:rolleyes:

 

I admire your use of the emoticon otts. Not since um pahars and his seemingly unstoppable rise up the ladder of celebrity fans has someone used the emoticon so regularly with such aplomb.

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Congratulations again. I see you as a future fan on the board candidate.

 

 

 

:blush:

 

I am a happy clapper and best suited to be in with the choir in block 37 Kingsland:)

 

Helping out the Northam who are always out of tune.:p

 

SO I will have to leave it for you Turkish as our fan on the board.:)

 

I will have a word with my Uncle Nic and put a good word in for you:rolleyes:

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Tony Fernandes appears to make business decisions based on a few Tweets he receives. Might explain them ****ing up the transfer policy the last time they made it to the Premier League. Did they do no research into what sized stadium would be suitable before announcing it?

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback on stadium has been very good. Please note QPR fans we are a club who will consult and listen. This is your home.

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback so far. Maybe a smaller arena 30 or 35. 40 maybe too big straight away. Will look at modular. Keep feeling of Loftus. For sure

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Tony Fernandes appears to make business decisions based on a few Tweets he receives. Might explain them ****ing up the transfer policy the last time they made it to the Premier League. Did they do no research into what sized stadium would be suitable?

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback on stadium has been very good. Please note QPR fans we are a club who will consult and listen. This is your home.

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback so far. Maybe a smaller arena 30 or 35. 40 maybe too big straight away. Will look at modular. Keep feeling of Loftus. For sure

 

This is the kind of personal touch Nicola Cortese could learn from.

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Tony Fernandes appears to make business decisions based on a few Tweets he receives. Might explain them ****ing up the transfer policy the last time they made it to the Premier League. Did they do no research into what sized stadium would be suitable before announcing it?

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback on stadium has been very good. Please note QPR fans we are a club who will consult and listen. This is your home.

 

Tony Fernandes ‏@tonyfernandes 20h

Feedback so far. Maybe a smaller arena 30 or 35. 40 maybe too big straight away. Will look at modular. Keep feeling of Loftus. For sure

 

Surprised that the posters on here who agreed 40k would not be a problem have not been consulted though

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