Dark Munster Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25355950 Wow. Delusion knows no bounds That reminds me .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Yes it is. But weren't you claiming that Saints 32K stadium wasn't big enough based upon our previous years in the PL? 4 years of gates seemed enough in your eyes to justify expansion up to 40K. Bearing in mind that chucking on additional seats typically costs a lot more than building the seats in the first place (rumoured to be at least 3x times the original cost in our case) the only logic for that can be checking if 28K - 30K is big enough in the first place. And being as Saints went from 15K to 32K then very quickly were told by some fans that the capacity wasn't big enough, I'm not sure I see why QPR shouldn't use that as a benchmark of sorts as to why they might be able to go from an 18K start point to 40K but without the need for the 28K middle ground stadium in between in between. brighton are another example of how a fanbase can be grown from very humble starts to very sizeable crowds in very short times (8K - 32K for Brighton). Plus, for QPR, the difference in cost to them between building 28K and 40K probably isn't a huge proportion in the general scheme of things. Reading were hailed as a shining example of why we need to expand to 45,000 only a year ago. They were getting 4,000 only 20 years ago and look at their 24,000 crowds in the premier league. And who could forget Chelsea in 1984?!! Crowds of 14,000 yet look at them now. Funny how MLG doesn't use those examples of why QPR need 40,000 seat NOW NOW NOW yet they were perfectly acceptable reasons why we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Reading were hailed as a shining example of why we need to expand to 45,000 only a year ago. They were getting 4,000 only 20 years ago and look at their 24,000 crowds in the premier league. And who could forget Chelsea in 1984?!! Crowds of 14,000 yet look at them now. Funny how MLG doesn't use those examples of why QPR need 40,000 seat NOW NOW NOW yet they were perfectly acceptable reasons why we do. I'm just waiting for Frank's Cousin to justify QPR's planned stadium increase by dint of the fact that they could adopt a German or EasyJet price model. Mr. Lack-of-Logic aside, I think if QPR are thinking of increasing they may as well put in a bigger stadium than a 28K one. Fernandez is super-rich, as are the Mittals, so finance isn't a question. The difference between a 28K stadium and a 40K stadium will be proportionally low. It future-proofs them to some extent. It allows for decent growth. And there's are bountiful ways that have been put forward on here as to how potential empty seats could be filled; flexible pricing, low prices, increased away allocations, day trippers from wide and far, the list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 (edited) Reading were hailed as a shining example of why we need to expand to 45,000 only a year ago. They were getting 4,000 only 20 years ago and look at their 24,000 crowds in the premier league. And who could forget Chelsea in 1984?!! Crowds of 14,000 yet look at them now. Funny how MLG doesn't use those examples of why QPR need 40,000 seat NOW NOW NOW yet they were perfectly acceptable reasons why we do. You''re a dream crusher Turks - pipe down. Edited 13 December, 2013 by Tokyo-Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Dearest Tokyo-Saint, Do you have to quote Turkish making up things I've said? Means I can then see it. x x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Qqaql Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 I'm just waiting for Frank's Cousin to justify QPR's planned stadium increase by dint of the fact that they could adopt a German or EasyJet price model. Mr. Lack-of-Logic aside, I think if QPR are thinking of increasing they may as well put in a bigger stadium than a 28K one. Fernandez is super-rich, as are the Mittals, so finance isn't a question. The difference between a 28K stadium and a 40K stadium will be proportionally low. It future-proofs them to some extent. It allows for decent growth. And there's are bountiful ways that have been put forward on here as to how potential empty seats could be filled; flexible pricing, low prices, increased away allocations, day trippers from wide and far, the list goes on. ....and how could I possibly disappoint you.... Although must be getting mush for brains in your old age if you can't remember that the easy jet thing had not to do with me.... I suspect you probably know this to, but are keen to maintain your patronizing air, but given the costs involved between building to 40k now, do going new with 28 or so and expanding again later, from a financial perspective probably better to go the whole hog now... If a club truly believes it can eventually expand its regular attendance. Even we we built SMS it was 1000 seat - yet expansion is likely to be 8000 a seat... So do the sums. but to please you even more, I have no reservations in saying again, a ticketing approach that provides more accessibility to a broader demographic is not a bad thing. And like many things, the Germans do seem to get that side things pretty spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Qqaql Have you been on the turps tonight, Toke-Dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 ....and how could I possibly disappoint you.... Although must be getting mush for brains in your old age if you can't remember that the easy jet thing had not to do with me.... Apologies about that one Frankie. Hopefully its more to do with the red wine than my old age that's at fault there. I suspect you probably know this to' date=' but are keen to maintain your patronizing air, but given the costs involved between building to 40k now, do going new with 28 or so and expanding again later, from a financial perspective probably better to go the whole hog now... If a club truly believes it can eventually expand its regular attendance. Even we we built SMS it was 1000 seat - yet expansion is likely to be 8000 a seat... So do the sums.[/quote'] Being as I said pretty much said that in an earlier post of mine on this thread then, yes, I do know that. But in any case I think its a reasonable point to reiterate. but to please you even more' date=' I have no reservations in saying again, a ticketing approach that provides more accessibility to a broader demographic is not a bad thing. And like many things, the Germans do seem to get that side things pretty spot on.[/quote'] Indeed. Which is why I'm sure you'll agree that QPR's 40K ambitions are perfectly viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Ha! Was on a bus to the pub, suddenly the driver started kicking off with some passeangers as I was posting on tapitalk thing. Lolling at bus driver fight and must have posted by accident. Sorry as well to my good frIend mlg. I think you and Turks should stop ignore and stuff. I like your battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Apologies about that one Frankie. Hopefully its more to do with the red wine than my old age that's at fault there. Being as I said pretty much said that in an earlier post of mine on this thread then, yes, I do know that. But in any case I think its a reasonable point to reiterate. Indeed. Which is why I'm sure you'll agree that QPR's 40K ambitions are perfectly viable. RED WINE, don't let Turks see that, he'll have you down as some sort of alcoholic... Everyone appreciates the huge sums involved in expansion, v build from scratch. But it's a fair debate as to whether you do either whilst it's still just about affordable or wait ... Eg look at the 100m Brighton paid 20k. Infrastructure in place - many might suggest it saved us not so long ago.... Investment early in the 'potential' May save a club a lot further down the line. The issue of sensible pricing and it's impact on attendance is another matter although not unrelated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 We are Southampton, we play in the sky. Looks like something out of Bioshock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 RED WINE, don't let Turks see that, he'll have you down as some sort of alcoholic... Everyone appreciates the huge sums involved in expansion, v build from scratch. But it's a fair debate as to whether you do either whilst it's still just about affordable or wait ... Eg look at the 100m Brighton paid 20k. Infrastructure in place - many might suggest it saved us not so long ago.... Investment early in the 'potential' May save a club a lot further down the line. The issue of sensible pricing and it's impact on attendance is another matter although not unrelated. The only argument for "build a stadium that is expandable" is the Brighton model, where they basically built the shell then added the seats a year or two later. Didn't save much on the upfront costs, if I recall, just got around some planning restrictions. Seems utterly barmy to increase by 10K then realise that's too small. Especially when you're bankrolled in part by one of the richest men in history, and very rich backers in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 The only argument for "build a stadium that is expandable" is the Brighton model, where they basically built the shell then added the seats a year or two later. Didn't save much on the upfront costs, if I recall, just got around some planning restrictions. Seems utterly barmy to increase by 10K then realise that's too small. Especially when you're bankrolled in part by one of the richest men in history, and very rich backers in general. fair enough... Filling it will be the problem. Build it and they will come does not work... If the price is too high... I wonder what attendance you feel we might get this season if it was £25 for adults and £15 for under 16s and £10 for under 12s ? Or should I say if we were not limited in capacity? on the other thread about 'modern fan' many state £40 is too much and attendance is down as a result... Yet we expect that revenue for the club and don't expect the club to offer any cheaper tickets if it could do so whilst maintaining the current revenue levels.... It about getting that balance right. My whole argument on that was only ever to suggest that capacity in excess of what you know you need, does offer the option of different price brackets.... Should the club choose to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 fair enough... Filling it will be the problem. Build it and they will come does not work... If the price is too high... I wonder what attendance you feel we might get this season if it was £25 for adults and £15 for under 16s and £10 for under 12s ? Or should I say if we were not limited in capacity? No idea, because if you say that you also have to take into account season ticket prices reducing. But with a 32K stadium I agree with our current pricing policy. on the other thread about 'modern fan' many state £40 is too much and attendance is down as a result... Yet we expect that revenue for the club and don't expect the club to offer any cheaper tickets if it could do so whilst maintaining the current revenue levels.... It about getting that balance right. My whole argument on that was only ever to suggest that capacity in excess of what you know you need' date=' does offer the option of different price brackets.... Should the club choose to do so.[/quote'] As I said, I agree with our current price policy (with a CEO hat on, anyway). As a fan I'd prefer cheaper prices and they should be attainable. But in a 32K stadium looking to optimise revenues, I don't like it but we've got it right. You may have a point about liking cheaper prices and them bringing bigger crowds but I don't see us doing it under this legacy of ownership so I tend to give it shorter shrift than it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 I didn't say that either. Reading comprehension is tough stuff for some. What are you saying then? Are our competitors Spurs and Liverpool for CL spots or Cardiff and QPR and other mid-sized clubs? Come on Mr Comprehension, do tell. PS. My frame of reference is real life, not computer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Ah good, another bore fest regarding stadium expansion and fan attendances. Just what I was after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Ah good, another bore fest regarding stadium expansion and fan attendances. Just what I was after. Don't read it then. You're not the first person to comment on this thread that they aren't interested in the content of it. It was pretty evident from the title what the thread would be about and it would inevitably lead to discussion about our own capacity. It does make me laugh the amount of people that comment on threads that they aren't interested in what the the thread Is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Ah good, another bore fest regarding stadium expansion and fan attendances. Just what I was after. Is that why you posted on it? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Don't read it then. You're not the first person to comment on this thread that they aren't interested in the content of it. It was pretty evident from the title what the thread would be about and it would inevitably lead to discussion about our own capacity. It does make me laugh the amount of people that comment on threads that they aren't interested in what the the thread Is about. Some would say that was trolling behaviour, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 I feel a bit sorry for MLG. He's even had sue whistle say he is dull today and when that happens you know you've got problems. No Matter how hard he tries now he'll always have the reputation of the dullest man ever to have broadband. Even if he was sitting there posting whilst injecting heroin into his cock people would still say 'ah but look what you said on the jonus brothers mongboard' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Some would say that was trolling behaviour, yes? Sue whistles post was classic trolling. Claims im on ignore yet commented on what I was saying and how I was like a silly boy at the back of the classroom. So either she's lying and I'm not on ignore or she's making up what I've said. Either way she was so uninterested in the thread she felt the need to read it all and tell she wasn't interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Sue whistles post was classic trolling. Claims im on ignore yet commented on what I was saying and how I was like a silly boy at the back of the classroom. So either she's lying and I'm not on ignore or she's making up what I've said. Either way she was so uninterested in the thread she felt the need to read it all and tell she wasn't interested. To be fair MLG and sue are a good couple. Both incredibly dull yet have massively inflated views of their own opinion, and need to vocally express their opinions as to who they have on ignore as if anyone else gives a sh*t. Also serves as a reminder that they can't bear that their idiotic opinions from time to time are challenged by some people. Classic trolling behaviour, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 handags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 handags Yeah I got some mate, £8.00 yer pahnd. Collect from my lock-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Could have been an interesting thread, but descended into childish nonsense yet again by the usual suspects. FFS, have all the mods disappeared??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Could have been an interesting thread, but descended into childish nonsense yet again by the usual suspects. FFS, have all the mods disappeared??? Yep, went down hill as soon as MLG and Sue Whistle appeared and people decided to start commenting that they weren't interested in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Why are they building it in L.A.? read all the guff surrounding the area which it is being built on and apparently it's going to be another Canary Wharf but a bit closer to being "up West". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 That is quite a jump for QPR. Don't even think they sell out an 18,000 stadium let alone 40k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 That is quite a jump for QPR. Don't even think they sell out an 18,000 stadium let alone 40k! Some said the same about Saints when we were at the Dell, and averaging 15K, trying to double that to 32.5K. Much difference in QPR doing that? Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Yep, went down hill as soon as MLG and Sue Whistle appeared and people decided to start commenting that they weren't interested in this thread. Stop wasting time here turks, theres an excellent David Bowie documentary on the bbc as we speak, crank up the volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Some said the same about Saints when we were at the Dell, and averaging 15K, trying to double that to 32.5K. Much difference in QPR doing that? Really?? The fact that they are currently a Championship team will be a factor, obviously that could change. Always thought of QPR as a small club really. The London version of Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 The fact that they are currently a Championship team will be a factor, obviously that could change. Always thought of QPR as a small club really. The London version of Reading. Championship this year yes, but in the promotion spots and should go up. As for the "Always thought of QPR as a small club really. The London version of Reading." I don't disagree but, seriously, what do you think other sides thought of us in the Dell? Much more? I'm genuinely baffled at how many people were prepared to talk us up yet are prepared to write other similar scenarios off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Yep, went down hill as soon as MLG and Sue Whistle appeared and people decided to start commenting that they weren't interested in this thread. Just had a quick look - didn't really happen that way did it? A couple of people, no names, let's call them ****ish and Fry Man, just reverted to talking absolute ****. It happens a lot round here, surprised you haven't noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Mods only pop up if you post a pair of tits or a top 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Mods only pop up if you post a pair of tits or a top 3! Let's try that theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 (edited) Just had a quick look - didn't really happen that way did it? A couple of people, no names, let's call them ****ish and Fry Man, just reverted to talking absolute ****. It happens a lot round here, surprised you haven't noticed it. Thankfully stug, you've turned the thread around by adding to the original OP. Actually, no, you've done nothing of the sort have you? All you've done is what you accuse others of; you've derailed it. You've contributed nothing to the subject matter at all. Troll. Edited 13 December, 2013 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 read all the guff surrounding the area which it is being built on and apparently it's going to be another Canary Wharf but a bit closer to being "up West". Ok, I'll be sure to do that. Do you have any links to west London blade runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 (edited) Just had a quick look - didn't really happen that way did it? A couple of people, no names, let's call them ****ish and Fry Man, just reverted to talking absolute ****. It happens a lot round here, surprised you haven't noticed it. So let's talk about what the poster who we will call Stuco*ck has contributed shall we? 100% of his posts on this thread have been slagging off other posters, talking absolute bol*ocks. A quick check of his posting history shows this isn't an isolated incident, oh no, 7 of his last 10 posts are slagging off other posters or moaning about the thread. So its good to see the sort of Prats we have on this forum. The holier than thou posters are practicing what they preach, excellent work Stuc*ck. Edited 13 December, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 13 December, 2013 Share Posted 13 December, 2013 Ok, I'll be sure to do that. Do you have any links to west London blade runner? Only spent a few years working round there and using the rat runs before they closed them off, it's a bit of and easier turd to polish than the Isle of a Dogs down to Silvertown in Docklands but they managed to make a fair fist of that. The plans involve the HS2 running through there with a station in 2028 (yeah right add 10 at least to that). It's Virgin brown field real estate, if they don't sort the roads first, especially the A40, going to Wembley to see Saints in the FA Cup and CL final yet again will be a pain in the backside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25355950 Wow. Delusion knows no bounds They're in London, they'll have no problem shifting tickets if they're in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 (edited) Really is ridiculous for a tin pot club like QPR, they can't even fill their current stadium how the hell are they gonna get 40,000 bums on seats on a regular basis?! Madness. Edited 14 December, 2013 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 Really is ridiculous for a tin pot club like QPR, they can't even fill their current stadium how the hell are they gonna get 40,000 bums on seats week-in week-out?! Madness. By playing twice as many home games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 Just had a quick look - didn't really happen that way did it? A couple of people, no names, let's call them ****ish and Fry Man, just reverted to talking absolute ****. It happens a lot round here, surprised you haven't noticed it. TBF having read through it was Suewhistle that inflamed this thread and not Turks or CB Fry. MLG gets a lot of stick, probably too much but he does bring it on himself. He gets his bloody artist pics of St Marys out like he is on comission and will never back down from his arguements (see any St Marys expansion or FM14 thread). Which is fine, fair enough having the strength of your convictions but jesus christ it gets old. I dont really get why Suewhistle (i dont personally have an issue) bumbled on here and just had to comment on CB fry and Turks without seemingly bothering to check the thread but there you go Its all ok though because you have entered with your peacemaker mentality and calming words to tastefully diffuse the situation so kudos for that. Many a town centre will be missing your pacifist ways tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 By playing twice as many home games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 Just had a quick look - didn't really happen that way did it? A couple of people, no names, let's call them ****ish and Fry Man, just reverted to talking absolute ****. It happens a lot round here, surprised you haven't noticed it. That's pretty much exactly what happened. You are wrong as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 They're in London, they'll have no problem shifting tickets if they're in the Premier League. Spot on. Regardless of history, size of club at present or honours won a state of the art modern 40,000 seated stadium with all the coporate mod cons , in the premiership and in that part of London is viable. It may end up being a noddy club, with more people "watching " rather than traditional supporters supporting, but with decent marketing and facilities they'll sell 40k no worries. London is the key, its why the NFL will end up with a franchise there. Premiership football in a decent stadium, in a decent london area and they'll coin it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 **** me. CB Fry and Turkish arrive on a thread, and off they'll go laughing at their own straw man arguments. MLG may be like having the most boring teacher at school, but those two are like two little boys causing trouble from the back and thinking themselves so grown up. I'm not particularly interested in QPR, so their plans evoke only mild interest, but the reactions/arguments/wording from the two are far more boring and tiresome than MLG's factual stuff. Just to point out to the troll sue whistle. When you posted this I had posted on this thread 4 times, two of which weren't quoted so if you do indeed have me on ignore you'd only be able to see 2 of the posts, both of which received reasonable enough responses. So this proves that you are either lying about having me on ignore or you have completely invented an argument and made up what you think I might be saying. Embarrassing for you sue isn't it with your self righteous stance on here. A liar or a fantasist, which on is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 December, 2013 Share Posted 14 December, 2013 I am amazed everyone can remember and recall what everyone has posted and bring it back up all the time, I think I have insulted many but be buggered if I can remember when and only a few of the who's but have not really considered that anyone has harboured a grudge against me. Most discussions are throwaway stuff surely but seem more personal. Sweet little community in many ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 14 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2013 They're in London, they'll have no problem shifting tickets if they're in the Premier League. Fulham and West Ham will be in touch with you asap for the secret solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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