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Barry Sanchez

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Why can every Country, state and Principality on the planet be proud to where they come from and yet "it seems" this is simply not the way we do things in this Nation as it could be perceived by some as right wing or offence to a minority?

This is not a thread to stir anything up nor is it an Anti European thread or one to do with immigration at all this is a thread simply put why can others Nations celebrate their Nation and yet "it feels" like we cant?

An example of this is the refusal of our leaders to entertain a bank holiday for our Patron Saint, is there any other Nation thats does so little?

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buctootim

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Who says we can't?

 

Sure we can, but we don't though do we? In Britain overt patriotism is wrapped up with all kinds of other 'values' in a lot of peoples perception. Lots of other countries fly the flag a lot more, even private homes often have it on a flagpole in places like Sweden.

Halo Stickman

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We haven’t got time for all that nationalism stuff because here in Britain

 

We like to build the world a home

And furnish it with love

Grow apple trees and honey bees

And snow-white turtle doves

 

…or something like that

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I am very proud to British *and* English. Is there a way I am 'supposed' to show it? No. I just am. For many, I don't think it is a conscious decision to not show that pride, it's just who we are. Just as we tend to be a nation that does not complain as vociferously as other nations, it's how we do things.

 

Separate to that, there are undoubtedly many conscious decisions by some companies, local authorities etc, to not display overt signs of nationality, especially at times like Xmas, but I certainly think that is entirely wrong. Mutual respect is important, but that starts by being proud of who you are in the first place.

 

Although perhaps that fear of offending others is also just a British trait...?

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Why isn't our National day a bank holiday? I can not think of another Country that has this issue, can you?

 

Good question, although I suspect it maybe has more to do with our Government simply not wishing to give us more time off... lol.

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A conversation I had with a yank friend of mine a couple weeks ago, went along similar to this. Me speaking to him: '....Yanks think the USA is the best country in the world' to which he smiled and nodded, then I continued 'this is where The UK is different' he looks puzzled, again I continued...'We don't think we (UK) are the best we know we are'. I don't think he was too amused.

Barry Sanchez

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Good question, although I suspect it maybe has more to do with our Government simply not wishing to give us more time off... lol.

 

We could easily trade one day for another, there is a definite Liberal agenda there but that is another issue altogether.

The unease we have at flying our own flag and being seen as a crank or a rabid racist if we do, fear of others thoughts, its creates more fear and gives opportunity to extremists.

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Why isn't our National day a bank holiday? I can not think of another Country that has this issue, can you?

 

It's not really an issue though is it. When St George's Day passed I don't remember anyone being particularly bothered nor do I remember ever remember any sentiment that suggest we need to celebrate a national day. We're not interested, it's not that "we're not allowed". National Days are for countries that have been liberated or become independent.

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It's not really an issue though is it. When St George's Day passed I don't remember anyone being particularly bothered nor do I remember ever remember any sentiment that suggest we need to celebrate a national day. We're not interested, it's not that "we're not allowed". National Days are for countries that have been liberated or become independent.

 

Exactly.

 

Well said that man.

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I can not think of another Country that has this issue, can you?

 

I investigated this for you Barry! I picked a country at random. It was Denmark. I found out from googles that Canute is Patron Saint of Denmark. I can't find that they have a public holiday for him tho. :(

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Of course, when the World Cup starts, absolutely nobody will be attaching a St George's flag to their car, hanging the free give away from the Sun on their bedroom wall, or going to the pub to watch the match with a red cross painted on their face. We can get as Nationalistic as anybody else, when we need to.

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Well I started with Angola, our main partners? Shall we consider all Nations before we decide if we shall have a day off?

 

You said you cannot think of any other countries that dont? It's a legitimate question.

 

Did you just think, USA has Independence Day, why don't we?

 

I can see you doing that you see.

 

You appear to be inferring that we are the only country that doesn't but I can't imagine you have put much thought or research into this.

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It's not really an issue though is it. When St George's Day passed I don't remember anyone being particularly bothered nor do I remember ever remember any sentiment that suggest we need to celebrate a national day. We're not interested, it's not that "we're not allowed". National Days are for countries that have been liberated or become independent.

 

Exactly. St Georges Day doesn't really commemorate anything. Just some Lebanese (or other Middle Eastern country) bloke who didn't really kill a dragon.

 

I'd go for Henry VIII breaking from Rome thus making us a Protestant country and printing the Bible in English so that even the lower orders could read it thus lessening the powers of the Church.

 

Don't think that he did it all in one day though.

Barry Sanchez

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It's not really an issue though is it. When St George's Day passed I don't remember anyone being particularly bothered nor do I remember ever remember any sentiment that suggest we need to celebrate a national day. We're not interested, it's not that "we're not allowed". National Days are for countries that have been liberated or become independent.

 

Go on, thats a bold statement, werent the English liberated from the Normans?

badgerx16

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PS - Bazza : I know that you work tirelessly to disprove the possibility of a connection between you, but this thread is typical of the sort of thing old Dunce would start.

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You said you cannot think of any other countries that dont? It's a legitimate question.

 

Did you just think, USA has Independence Day, why don't we?

 

I can see you doing that you see.

 

You appear to be inferring that we are the only country that doesn't but I can't imagine you have put much thought or research into this.

 

France has a National day, so does Spain, Canada, Australia, all days off. I am asking, you are being pedantic, I can see what you are doing.

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PS - Bazza : I know that you work tirelessly to disprove the possibility of a connection between you, but this thread is typical of the sort of thing old Dunce would start.

 

I'm not, but so what, is this such a bad thread not warranting debate? Brushed under the carpet?

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Go on, that's a bold statement, weren't the English liberated from the Normans?

 

Liberated by whom ? The descendents of the Normans still provide the bulk of the upper class.

And the Angles were just another bunch of incomers, anyway.

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Most of the things I have pride in are things I've done myself.

 

I never had any choice over where I was born. Seems a bit weird to be proud of an accident of birth.

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Liberated by whom ? The descendents of the Normans still provide the bulk of the upper class.

And the Angles were just another bunch of incomers, anyway.

 

Was 1066 an early version of a day trip to England that went awry after a few beers by 400 odd years?

Did we invite them over? The Normans are Danish in the main anyway, didn't they come over as well?

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Most of the things I have pride in are things I've done myself.

 

I never had any choice over where I was born. Seems a bit weird to be proud of an accident of birth.

 

 

The standard from the Liberal.

Wurzel

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We don't need a particular day. We KNOW we are English, that's good enough for us. Every time another country has one (which must cover a fair chunk of the calendar) we can celebrate the fact that we are not them.

 

If we did have a Public Holiday for a National Day I'd suggest the Queen's "official" birthday (as opposed to her actual one) would be more appropriate than some nominally adopted saints day.

 

Incidentally what exactly is the 1st of May one meant to celebrate/commemorate? That one always seems a waste of a day off, stuck between Easter and Whitsun or whatever the end of May one is called now.

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We don't need a particular day. We KNOW we are English, that's good enough for us. Every time another country has one (which must cover a fair chunk of the calendar) we can celebrate the fact that we are not them.

 

If we did have a Public Holiday for a National Day I'd suggest the Queen's "official" birthday (as opposed to her actual one) would be more appropriate than some nominally adopted saints day.

 

Incidentally what exactly is the 1st of May one meant to celebrate/commemorate? That one always seems a waste of a day off, stuck between Easter and Whitsun or whatever the end of May one is called now.

 

Yes move from the May Day to St Georges.

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Not feeling the need to wave a flag and saying how wonderful we are on a given day of the year is a strength not a weakness.

 

Completely agree on this.

 

French and American kids are brainwashed at school.

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The standard from the Liberal.

 

The standard non-response from yourself.

 

What's your stance on other accidents of birth?

 

Should I celebrate the fact I have brown hair, or that my dad's name begins with a "P"? :)

buctootim

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I investigated this for you Barry! I picked a country at random. It was Denmark. I found out from googles that Canute is Patron Saint of Denmark. I can't find that they have a public holiday for him tho. :(

Canute (Knud) was the guy who turned back the waves at Western Shore - before the broken bottles and condoms were there obviously.

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We can and I just did.

 

You writing it does not make it so, we can hardly call ourselves the best Nation on Earth regardless of a National holiday, we can call ourselves grateful and lucky, but nothing so cheap and crass as the best.

 

An Englishman would not do that Trousers, drag yourself up man.

Halo Stickman

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Saint George is also the patron saint of quite a few other places including Russia, Georgia, Portugal and Greece.

 

Good news for anyone travelling to any of those places – the banks will be open on saints’ day in all of those countries, apart from Georgia

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The standard non-response from yourself.

 

What's your stance on other accidents of birth?

 

Should I celebrate the fact I have brown hair, or that my dad's name begins with a "P"? :)

 

So you dont celebrate anything as its all an accident of where you were born? Is this what you saying Pap? Or is it a pick and mix of societes better things or what you think they are?

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I investigated this for you Barry! I picked a country at random. It was Denmark. I found out from googles that Canute is Patron Saint of Denmark. I can't find that they have a public holiday for him tho. :(

 

Denmark have a **** load of holidays and special days on their calender.

buctootim

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Was 1066 an early version of a day trip to England that went awry after a few beers by 400 odd years?

Did we invite them over? The Normans are Danish in the main anyway, didn't they come over as well?

 

A lot of historians think William of Normandy was Edward the Confessors appointed successor. Even if he wasnt he certainly had more a claim to the throne than Harold.

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The nationalism of this country has been diluted by the immigration policies and the growth of political correctness. One only has to see the crowds of residents especially Indian and Pakistanis supporting our opponents during test matches. Or Poles etc at football matches against their mother countries.

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Canute (Knud) was the guy who turned back the waves at Western Shore - before the broken bottles and condoms were there obviously.

 

well I don't think he actually turned back the tide, just thought he could because he was King. Taught us an important fact, time and tide wait on no man...apparently.

buctootim

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well I don't think he actually turned back the tide, just thought he could because he was King. Taught us an important fact, time and tide wait on no man...apparently.

 

Wasn't it exactly the reverse? - he was demonstrating to his court the limits of his powers.

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So you dont celebrate anything as its all an accident of where you were born? Is this what you saying Pap? Or is it a pick and mix of societes better things or what you think they are?

 

Not really sure what you're asking here.

 

I'm very lucky to have been born in this country. Everybody is. That all said, I don't take pride in my nationality because I had f**k all to do with choosing it.

 

Furthermore, it's difficult to have pride in the way that this country has conducted itself during my lifetime. Every single government in my lifetime has perpetuated a massive fraud on the British public, and it appears as if politicians are getting worse, not better.

 

We're at the point now where most stuff of value has been sold, our kids ability to get a home is second fiddle to the value of the financial system and the country seems to be owned by central bankers.

 

What is there to be proud about?

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Not really sure what you're asking here.

 

I'm very lucky to have been born in this country. Everybody is. That all said, I don't take pride in my nationality because I had f**k all to do with choosing it.

 

Furthermore, it's difficult to have pride in the way that this country has conducted itself during my lifetime. Every single government in my lifetime has perpetuated a massive fraud on the British public, and it appears as if politicians are getting worse, not better.

 

We're at the point now where most stuff of value has been sold, our kids ability to get a home is second fiddle to the value of the financial system and the country seems to be owned by central bankers.

 

What is there to be proud about?

 

Can we not celebrate, diversity, acceptance, humilty and how lucky and fortunate we are on our National Saints Day? Is that so difisive and bad?

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