Lambert v Osvaldo

[ottery st mary]

OMG...What will we do when Messi , Ronaldo and Ballotelli arrive:mcinnes:

 

Exactly the same as now.....Poch will utilise both top class players etc

[Dig Dig]

OMG...What will we do when Messi , Ronaldo and Ballotelli arrive:mcinnes:

 

Exactly the same as now.....Poch will utilise both top class players etc

 

It is funny how these discussion become an either or scenarios when the reality is, both will play a lot of minutes for us. For the time being, Ossie will continue to start as that's what happens when strikers score goals.

[ottery st mary]

It is funny how these discussion become an either or scenarios when the reality is, both will play a lot of minutes for us. For the time being, Ossie will continue to start as that's what happens when strikers score goals.

 

Totally agree.....

 

So glad both Oz and Rikee in our side/squad..

 

Looks like Gallagher and Hesketh are on their way from the Yuf team:D

 

 

So can we tell Messi , Ronaldo and Ballotelli where to go?

 

 

Come on Poch ....sort it out......sooooo many choices;)

 

 

Forgot to mention Josh Simms from the yuf as well.

Edited 10 December, 2013 by ottery st mary

[SaintSteve]

OMG...What will we do when Messi , Ronaldo and Ballotelli arrive:mcinnes:

 

Exactly the same as now.....Poch will utilise both top class players etc

 

Exactly..Its fascinating the polarised opinions on this forum.. but having opinions is fine but blatant blindness to Lamberts overall skills is worrying..

[Smirking_Saint]

Exactly..Its fascinating the polarised opinions on this forum.. but having opinions is fine but blatant blindness to Lamberts overall skills is worrying..

 

If your going to make this comment surely it also applies to his weaknesses ?

[Roger]

If your going to make this comment surely it also applies to his weaknesses ?

 

I'm always accused of being obsessed with lambert but I've noticed that every time there's a thread on him you pipe up with a negative opinion. The guy is reason we are in prem on the pitch.

[Rasiak-9-]

You are trying to suggest Lambert has no future at St Mary's which is quite laughable.

 

This is the thing, we're not saying Lambert has NO future at all, we're simply saying that he isn't going to be the first player on the teamsheet like he was in the Championship and that I'm afraid, he has been under-performing from open play for almost a year now.

 

Partly it may be a confidence thing, but I wish we could see Rickie smacking the ball about a bit more especially from distance. More and more he seems to want to drop back and dink in these little through balls (which granted, can be very effective at times) but as I say, teams seem to be cottoning on to the fact that he isn't just a pure target-man and have looked much more able to deal with his general threat this season.

 

Desperately pulling out statistics like a win percentage depending on who starts when Osvaldo has been played at United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal away and Lambert has started at home to Hull/Fulham/Villa as well betrays a massive lack of neutrality as well as its very obviously not a level playing field.

 

Look, put it this way: remember Palace away in April 2012? Lambert's two goals there were awesome, arriving late to thump in a header, and beating a man before smashing it into the bottom corner with his weaker foot from a good 14 yards or so, absolutely awesome. Trouble is he just doesn't look like doing anything like that nowadays and hasn't for a while.

 

You think we want Lambert to fail? Time and again you find yourself shouting "come on Rickie prove me wrong!" when he gets the ball and "come on Rickie you're better than that!" when he miscontrols the ball or whatever - the fans such as myself who are starting to have questions about Rickie are still hoping that he comes good asap.

[Saint_clark]

Look, put it this way: remember Palace away in April 2012? Lambert's two goals there were awesome, arriving late to thump in a header, and beating a man before smashing it into the bottom corner with his weaker foot from a good 14 yards or so, absolutely awesome. Trouble is he just doesn't look like doing anything like that nowadays and hasn't for a while.

 

That's because we're a league higher and playing against opposition about 10 times stronger.

[Olallana]

I'm always accused of being obsessed with lambert but I've noticed that every time there's a thread on him you pipe up with a negative opinion. The guy is reason we are in prem on the pitch.

 

As much as I love Lambert, you dont think there´s a difference in level to be a player that is the biggest part for a team getting promoted to PL and the level needed if the club wants to be a regular top 6 in PL?

I´d love to keep him for another year but am not sure if he sees himself as an impact sub the older he gets...

[Colinjb]

That's because we're a league higher and playing against opposition about 10 times stronger.

 

...And with a tactical style that forces the opposing defenders deeper leaving him with less space to exploit. It's part of the reason we are not as free scoring as we were under Nigel Adkins, it'll be tough to any striker in our system.

[Dig Dig]

...And with a tactical style that forces the opposing defenders deeper leaving him with less space to exploit. It's part of the reason we are not as free scoring as we were under Nigel Adkins, it'll be tough to any striker in our system.

 

Think we actually score more under Pochettino?

[Colinjb]

Think we actually score more under Pochettino?

 

Goals per premier league game under Adkins: 1.36

Goals per premier league game under Pochettino: 1.23

 

Yes, I actually just worked that out... not hugely different but we scored per game under Nigel. Our goals against column on the other hand!

[Dig Dig]

Goals per premier league game under Adkins: 1.36

Goals per premier league game under Pochettino: 1.23

 

Yes, I actually just worked that out... not hugely different but we scored per game under Nigel. Our goals against column on the other hand!

 

Oh ok, thanks for that. Lambert did seem to be in better positions last season, when you consider the goals against City and Villa last year, he's not hitting them from the edge of the 18 yard box these days.

[Smirking_Saint]

I'm always accused of being obsessed with lambert but I've noticed that every time there's a thread on him you pipe up with a negative opinion. The guy is reason we are in prem on the pitch.

 

1. How did I accuse you of making negative comments on here ?

 

2. When have I not appreciated his obvious talents ? I admitted I didnt think he would step up to the prem and when he did I admitted I got it wrong. This is different though, time and time again this season or ever since MoPo I have said MoPo needs to make a choice, play to RLs strengths or find a new 1st choice frontman.

 

 

My point above was this saintsteve or whatever chastising Rasiak for being blind to Lamberts strengths which to me was a tad hypocritical.

[Smirking_Saint]

Oh ok, thanks for that. Lambert did seem to be in better positions last season, when you consider the goals against City and Villa last year, he's not hitting them from the edge of the 18 yard box these days.

 

No one is, I get the impression MoPo wants us to be ruthless in possession and not give it away unless there is a clear cut chance. Part of why we are dominating possession these days.

 

Whether this is ultimately a good idea or not in every situation ? Dunno

[SaintSteve]

1. How did I accuse you of making negative comments on here ?

 

2. When have I not appreciated his obvious talents ? I admitted I didnt think he would step up to the prem and when he did I admitted I got it wrong. This is different though, time and time again this season or ever since MoPo I have said MoPo needs to make a choice, play to RLs strengths or find a new 1st choice frontman.

 

 

My point above was this saintsteve or whatever chastising Rasiak for being blind to Lamberts strengths which to me was a tad hypocritical.

 

I think we are going overboard either way.

Its fairly obvious MP will rotate or play both players for the remainder of the season. He sees lambert as more than just a striker to score goals, and he sees a pass better than anyone else in the team.

MP's style does would not suit many strikers to be honest, hence the lack of goals we are scoring and the reduced number of chances created since NA was replaced.

However, we are progressing by dominating teams, less goals conceded, and once in a while will look a top four side (e.g. Hull)

[SB]

You answer your own question.. Osvaldos scored two in two and is on form, no brainer, NEXT..

[Rasiak-9-]

You have to laugh don't you?

 

We're criticising our centre-forward for not scoring goals and people are actually replying with responses amounting to 'but that's just not his game".

[Roger]

Lambert scored 15 goals in prem last year and over 100 for us. Give it a break Rasiak. Let's just see his it pans out.

[TheCholulaKid]

You think we want Lambert to fail? Time and again you find yourself shouting "come on Rickie prove me wrong!" when he gets the ball and "come on Rickie you're better than that!" when he miscontrols the ball or whatever - the fans such as myself who are starting to have questions about Rickie are still hoping that he comes good asap.

 

Laughable. I have no agenda either way. But Lambert's (along with Lallana) probably got the best touch in the team - rarely miscontrols. 'come on Rickie prove me wrong'? He's got **** all to prove to anyone. He's being used differently this season and is showing off his all round game - when playing he's (again along with Lallana) our most creative player. I can only think of one obvious shooting chance he's had which he should have buried (Liverpool away) - otherwise he's had **** all service. In the main because he's dropping deep and letting players run beyond him before serving it up for them.

[TheCholulaKid]

I remember posting on here the day after Lambert scored on his England debut and we were close to securing the Osvaldo signing that it was ironic that on the day we were celebrating one of our favourite players scoring for England, some fans were practically begging the man who would replace him in the squad to sign. Of course i was told I was wrong, I was trolling and looking to wind people up. Yet here we are with Rickie clearly now second choice striker and likely to be used more and more as a sub as Osvaldo comes good and fits out style of play more. There is of course room for lambert in the squad and he can still be an effective player for us, but the days of him being the main man, which he has been pretty much since his arrival, are over. He's been a great player for this club, an absolute legend, but if the club want to go where they claim then this what happens with progress.

 

As I said no agenda...I also happen to agree entirely with this post while standing by what I typed above.

[Saint_clark]

You have to laugh don't you?

 

We're criticising our centre-forward for not scoring goals and people are actually replying with responses amounting to 'but that's just not his game".

 

He'll still score over 10 goals this season, which for an "aging" paceless centre forward who isn't guaranteed to start every game playing in the Prem, isn't THAT bad.

[Roger]

Laughable. I have no agenda either way. But Lambert's (along with Lallana) probably got the best touch in the team - rarely miscontrols. 'come on Rickie prove me wrong'? He's got **** all to prove to anyone. He's being used differently this season and is showing off his all round game - when playing he's (again along with Lallana) our most creative player. I can only think of one obvious shooting chance he's had which he should have buried (Liverpool away) - otherwise he's had **** all service. In the main because he's dropping deep and letting players run beyond him before serving it up for them.

 

This.

[AussieDog]

Without looking back at the actual stats, Lambert's goals last season seemed to have diminished since Pochettino arrived. Maybe it's because he's being asked to play a different role and is being the perfect team player, rather than the fact he has been "found out" at Premiership level?

I've always felt so much of his work off the ball goes un-noticed. As well as having a great touch on the ball his positional play helps pull the defence out of position and create space for others. Unfortunately most of that goes to waste, as we seem to want to walk the ball into the net rather than risk losing possession by taking snap shots or half chances. His lack of pace is noticeable, but his speed of thought hasn't diminished. I'm not making direct comparisons, but players like Sheringham, Cantona, even LeTissier, never had pace but would all still have succeeded in the Premiership today (albeit maybe NOT in the style that we currently use).

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe the fact that the rest of the team aren't contributing enough in terms of goals is influencing our opinion of Lambert's qualities. I think Osvaldo and Lambert both have key roles to play but they just have different styles and roles in the team, and I trust the manager to pick the right player for the right game.

[SNSUN]

We love Lambert, we love him for what he's done pretty much since the moment he joined us, and for all he's done for us since - especially as the learning curve has been as steep for him as it has for anyone that was with us since our League One days. The challenges have been put in front of him at every step, and he's smashed each one. Goals in League One, Goals in the Championship, Goals in the Premier League, and finally Goals for England. But, he doesn't have age on his side, and this team is STILL rising through the leagues, in the respect that our goal is not just to be in this league but compete in it, and compete with the best. One way to look at it is: would Rickie make it into a top 4 team? Probably not, no. Could Osvaldo? Very probably.

 

Osvaldo himself is the competition, and while he hasn't endured the best of starts in his career here, it seems he's slowly starting to find his feet. From what I've seen of him, he's a class above. His touches are sublime, and the more he grows in confidence, the better for us. It's ridiculous in that 50 years, Saints fans will look back on the present day and remember Rickie as a legend - as fondly as long-supporting Saints remember Ron Davies. Right now though, in the present day, and IMO, as much as I love Rickie, Osvaldo gets my vote.

 

However you know what these choice threads are like, it depends on who is most recently in form, and that is Osvaldo. I'm sure we'll be lauding Rickie again in the future. I'd love it if there were a way we could play both effectively...

[Roger]

We love Lambert, we love him for what he's done pretty much since the moment he joined us, and for all he's done for us since - especially as the learning curve has been as steep for him as it has for anyone that was with us since our League One days. The challenges have been put in front of him at every step, and he's smashed each one. Goals in League One, Goals in the Championship, Goals in the Premier League, and finally Goals for England. But, he doesn't have age on his side, and this team is STILL rising through the leagues, in the respect that our goal is not just to be in this league but compete in it, and compete with the best. One way to look at it is: would Rickie make it into a top 4 team? Probably not, no. Could Osvaldo? Very probably.

 

Osvaldo himself is the competition, and while he hasn't endured the best of starts in his career here, it seems he's slowly starting to find his feet. From what I've seen of him, he's a class above. His touches are sublime, and the more he grows in confidence, the better for us. It's ridiculous in that 50 years, Saints fans will look back on the present day and remember Rickie as a legend - as fondly as long-supporting Saints remember Ron Davies. Right now though, in the present day, and IMO, as much as I love Rickie, Osvaldo gets my vote.

 

However you know what these choice threads are like, it depends on who is most recently in form, and that is Osvaldo. I'm sure we'll be lauding Rickie again in the future. I'd love it if there were a way we could play both effectively...

 

Osvaldo top four you're joking right? If you asked most prem league managers I reckon most would rather have lambert upfront!

[Rasiak-9-]

Lambert scored 15 goals in prem last year and over 100 for us. Give it a break Rasiak. Let's just see his it pans out.

 

Which is precisely why I'm holding him to a high standard, I expect a fair bit from him! I've just been disappointed with his form this season and I'm starting to worry about him. Like I say, I don't WANT him to fail and I was really hoping that Ossie/Rickie would compliment each other well. Its just a shame it hasn't been the case.

 

@TheCholulaKid: He has quite a bit to prove to Roy Hodgson in terms of dodging the stereotype of being a generic lower-league target-man who had one half-decent first season in the Prem a la Grant Holt amongst a swathe of others, who knows... perhaps that pressure is part of the problem...

 

I'd love for him to have a resurgent revival and get back to belting in a couple against Newcastle on Saturday, but I'm sorry to say I fear his career may be on the slide. What can I say?

 

Hope I'm wrong guys, hope I'm wrong.

[Sour Mash]

Laughable. I have no agenda either way. But Lambert's (along with Lallana) probably got the best touch in the team - rarely miscontrols. 'come on Rickie prove me wrong'? He's got **** all to prove to anyone. He's being used differently this season and is showing off his all round game - when playing he's (again along with Lallana) our most creative player. I can only think of one obvious shooting chance he's had which he should have buried (Liverpool away) - otherwise he's had **** all service. In the main because he's dropping deep and letting players run beyond him before serving it up for them.

Well said. Some of the posts on this thread are ridiculous. Also, Lambert himself has said that his role in the team has changed and that he hopes fans can see that.

[Roger]

Which is precisely why I'm holding him to a high standard, I expect a fair bit from him! I've just been disappointed with his form this season and I'm starting to worry about him. Like I say, I don't WANT him to fail and I was really hoping that Ossie/Rickie would compliment each other well. Its just a shame it hasn't been the case.

 

@TheCholulaKid: He has quite a bit to prove to Roy Hodgson in terms of dodging the stereotype of being a generic lower-league target-man who had one half-decent first season in the Prem a la Grant Holt amongst a swathe of others, who knows... perhaps that pressure is part of the problem...

 

I'd love for him to have a resurgent revival and get back to belting in a couple against Newcastle on Saturday, but I'm sorry to say I fear his career may be on the slide. What can I say?

 

Hope I'm wrong guys, hope I'm wrong.

 

Fine but stop worrying and just see rather than pointing out everything negative about him you can highlight. I think he deserves more respect than that.

[Pastor Patrón]

Rodriguez is miles away from being a top striker... and Osvaldo is not clearly better, hardly contributed as yet... I think you should be stopped from posting as your ignorance is embarrassing.

 

Lolz

[Rasiak-9-]

Fine but stop worrying and just see rather than pointing out everything negative about him you can highlight. I think he deserves more respect than that.

 

He had a decent game today in the second half from what I saw (only got back in for the second half so can't comment on the first), but he just doesn't look like scoring. Still, added quite a bit to our game from what I saw. Not looking like scoring though I'm sorry to say.

 

Oh and re. Rodriguez...thats now 6 goals, all from open play. Looks top-notch at the moment with his confidence back and firing on all cylinders especially when playing in a more central position.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Have you considered taking up debating as a hobby? Your ability to structure an argument is second to none, inb4 'la la shut up I bummed your mum'

 

You are clearly a first class muppet posting that sort of crap...grow up boy

[Pastor Patrón]

You are clearly a first class muppet posting that sort of crap...grow up boy

 

Could you please following my posts with mindless "you eez so stupid, I is well clever though because I sayz so" please. It makes me click on a thread thinking something relevant may have been posted and I instead end up reading more of your drivel.

[ottery st mary]

As Saints fans/footer followers know......

 

We are a good footballing side with a very astute Manager..

 

I believe that Saints have three very good strikers in Osvaldo , Lambert and Jay Rodriguez.

 

Well done Saints.

 

COYS

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Could you please following my posts with mindless "you eez so stupid, I is well clever though because I sayz so" please. It makes me click on a thread thinking something relevant may have been posted and I instead end up reading more of your drivel.

 

Drivel...more irony from the number one drivel writer...but pretty good effort from a silly boy

Edited 15 December, 2013 by ALWAYS_SFC

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