Lambert v Osvaldo

[richard]

Oswaldo needs to improve his goals to chances ratio. Wonder goal are one thing, but he missed two bread & butter chances that would have won the game.

 

I agree that he needs to convert a higher percentage of his chances, but why are you spelling his name incorrectly? Is it supposed to be funny?

[Glasgow_Saint]

I agree that he needs to convert a higher percentage of his chances, but why are you spelling his name incorrectly? Is it supposed to be funny?

 

Think it was his nickname at Roma. Cos he goes missing during games

 

Clever

[david in sweden]

But surely JWP must take a mean penalty? Should be able to with his dead ball ability. JRod has scored all of the penalties he's taken for us I believe although that's probably limited to a couple in the League Cup last season. I really don't think finding another pernalty taker amongst our players is going to cause a problem.

 

I'd like to think so, but he hasn't had to do so ......so far. Penalty-taking is a " brain game" between goalie and kicker and lots of the older keepers know all the tricks.

 

Rickie said in a recent interview that he doesn't think about it too much but just goes and hits it as hard as he can.

MLT had his method, and often guessed right which way the keeper would go.......

 

As we average max. 5-6 pens.-a-season we need to find someone reliable and PDQ-before Rickie eventually bows out.

 

However, the problem for many Prem.sides is that having one regular pen. taker who does the job means the rest of the team don't have to think about it too much.

 

When England end up in a penalty shoot-out in a tournament (having lost 5 out of 6 times since 1990) ...we end up with 2 or 3 who know how to do the job, and then it's a lottery to find someone courageous / stupid enough to volunteer -even though they may never have taken a penalty at club level in their life and now face-up against an international keeper who know the ropes.

[Roger]

Rickie Lambert has not scored from open play this season.

 

Rickie Lambert got 3 goals from open play in the final 16 matches of last season, against Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.

 

Rickie Lambert has averaged out at about a goal every ten games from open play over almost a calendar year. Not impressive.

 

However, I grant you that you can't dismiss or ignore his ability with a dead ball, nor indeed his assists, through-balls or ability in the air, yet on the other side of the coin you've got to admit that those are attributes irrelevant to his ability as a goalscoring centre-forward.

 

I must have missed the Fulham header then.

[Roger]

I think Lambert has really fallen away this season, bit like Holt at Norwich last season. He always looks so slow and ponderous, always looking to slow the game down to his pace, don't think he was doing that last season.

 

Seriously mate you need to do one. Lambert has done more to get us in the prem than any other player. The way you talk about him is disrespectful and massively ungrateful. Osvaldo scored a great goal and hope he comes good but at present hasn't shown more than rickie and he will have to do a massive amount just to get a quarter of the success that lambert has. However, in balance lambert looks a step slower and isn't getting into goal scoring positions enough. However, he's working harder for team than he ever has and more than osvaldo IMO. Please tho show some blooming respect for a soton legend second only to

Le tiss in what he has done for club since 2002.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Think it was his nickname at Roma. Cos he goes missing during games

 

Clever

 

More clever than your Pinocchio nickname. You came out of that one looking good :lol:

[Sour Mash]

He really isn't, he might have been in the past but this season he's a total liabilty more often than not. Look at last Wednesday, we had nothing at the sharp end and MPo was obliged to make a desperation substitution after about half an hour. Once we get past this Lambert is God crap we'll be a lot better off.

You don't think Lambert is one of our more creative players? How exactly was he a "liability"?

[Sour Mash]

In fact with his 67.9% pass success rate only Boruc of our entire squad is a worse passer than Lambert. Morgan is the best passer closely followed by JWP, most of the others are above 80%.

You're obviously not comparing like for like there, so pointless stats.

[raynesparksaint]

Think it was his nickname at Roma. Cos he goes missing during games

 

Clever

 

It wasn't funny the first time you tried it, and it doesn't get any funnier after 50 attempts. Nor was Pinocchio.

 

Most on here would appreciate if you dropped it tbh

[Turkish]

I remember posting on here the day after Lambert scored on his England debut and we were close to securing the Osvaldo signing that it was ironic that on the day we were celebrating one of our favourite players scoring for England, some fans were practically begging the man who would replace him in the squad to sign. Of course i was told I was wrong, I was trolling and looking to wind people up. Yet here we are with Rickie clearly now second choice striker and likely to be used more and more as a sub as Osvaldo comes good and fits out style of play more. There is of course room for lambert in the squad and he can still be an effective player for us, but the days of him being the main man, which he has been pretty much since his arrival, are over. He's been a great player for this club, an absolute legend, but if the club want to go where they claim then this what happens with progress.

Edited 9 December, 2013 by Turkish

[BlagdonSaint]

Dani taking a penalty for Roma....

 

 

Enjoyed the goals - didn't enjoy the sh*t soundtrack!

[Lets B Avenue]

You are only saying all this whilst Roger is offline. Just you wait!

 

And here it is.

 

 

Seriously mate you need to do one. Lambert has done more to get us in the prem than any other player. The way you talk about him is disrespectful and massively ungrateful. Osvaldo scored a great goal and hope he comes good but at present hasn't shown more than rickie and he will have to do a massive amount just to get a quarter of the success that lambert has. However, in balance lambert looks a step slower and isn't getting into goal scoring positions enough. However, he's working harder for team than he ever has and more than osvaldo IMO. Please tho show some blooming respect for a soton legend second only to

Le tiss in what he has done for club since 2002.

 

 

Consider yourself told (whilst you "do one").

[offix]

Osvaldo has score one good goal - I wouldnt get carried away. Still has a lot to prove.

 

Thought he would kick on after his goal on saturday and show some magic....... but he fluffed 3 decent chances and did little in a very good team performance.

This. It was a great goal, but he missed a handfull and doesn't create opportunities for others like Lambert does. Ricky starts for me.

[Hodgey]

I'm genuinely shocked by this thread. So Osvaldo has one half decent game and scores a worldy. And now it is Lambert out. Astonishing. I' ve yet to see anything other than a player playing purely for himself. Seems that recent history here is nothing compared to a big signing. Sad.

[Rasiak-9-]

I must have missed the Fulham header then.

 

It was from a set-piece, that doesn't count as open play other than the ball technically being in 'open play' after it leaves the corner kicker's foot.

 

Doesn't mean he's not a useful weapon from set-pieces, but he hasn't scored a stikers goal this season. A free-kick, two pens and a header from a corner. Those are goals that centre-backs can score.

 

Rodriguez on the other hand has scored three brilliantly directed headers timing his run and getting the drop on the centre-halves, and two others from making a pest of himself and having the pace and composure to latch onto defenders mistakes, plus he's had goals wrongfully disallowed from offsides where he's latched onto through-balls and got himself tap-ins, as well as hitting the post by shifting and shooting from middle-distance.

 

Lambert has failed to do precisely any of those things this season.

 

Furthermore (and to be fair this isn't entirely Lambert's fault), the way we use Lambert by hitting him at the back stick for the header back across goal has become predictable and ineffective. Decent, physical teams have cottoned on to how to stop the supply and/or put Lambert under enough pressure to neutralise the threat.

 

Hitting Rickie at the back stick might work against Fulham, Hull and Villa at home (and take nothing away from his assists in those games, certainly in the former two he was excellent); but it doesn't and won't work against the bigger clubs anymore.

 

As I say this isn't entirely his fault at all, but his presence in the team makes the option of delivering from deep far more tempting than the more challenging but effective tactic of getting to the byeline and pulling it back/crossing the ball for a striker to run onto it.

 

There is a limit to how far the team can go as an attacking force when going forward if we persist with Lambert, as I've said on other threads, its not so much that Lambert has suddenly become terrible but more that in order for us to make that next step up to being a top-6 team, we need to start building the post-Lambert Southampton.

 

For all the Lambert-worshippers here for whom he literally can do no wrong, ask yourself these questions; to what extent do you see him being part of our future plans and for how long? and providing what kind of role exactly?

[Rasiak-9-]

I'm genuinely shocked by this thread. So Osvaldo has one half decent game and scores a worldy. And now it is Lambert out. Astonishing. I' ve yet to see anything other than a player playing purely for himself. Seems that recent history here is nothing compared to a big signing. Sad.

 

Recent history (and we're talking about close to a good calendar year now) has not been positive for Rickie. Slightly less recent history is concentrated primarily in the lower leagues.

 

Don't get me wrong Rickie will always be a legend and indeed a useful weapon to have on the bench, but this is a massive case of heart-over-head, which I (and a lot of supporters who share my opinion) understand and sympathise with completely, but ultimately have to disagree with.

 

We need to look to the future of Southampton F.C. and that future from an attacking point of view is about getting the most out of potentially one of the best and most well-rounded young centre-forwards in the Premiership in Rodriguez and a starting striker for a top-tier International team with the ability to preface one of the most skillful finishes we've ever seen in the Premiership by plucking the ball out of the air and dancing around one of the best centre-halves in the world.

[wild-saint]

in the true form for the mong board all the lambert bashers will keep on bashing until the point that he actually does start to go downhill and then will joyfully tell us all "i told you so!"

 

whether this day comes in 1 week, 1 year or 3 years is irelevant. Smirking saint is a classic example who has been banging the lambert drum for about 12 months and wil no doubt point to his superior knowlege when this day comes. maybe they will start a shaw is finished thread in good time for the day when his light starts to fade just to be safe.

[Smirking_Saint]

in the true form for the mong board all the lambert bashers will keep on bashing until the point that he actually does start to go downhill and then will joyfully tell us all "i told you so!"

 

whether this day comes in 1 week, 1 year or 3 years is irelevant. Smirking saint is a classic example who has been banging the lambert drum for about 12 months and wil no doubt point to his superior knowlege when this day comes. maybe they will start a shaw is finished thread in good time for the day when his light starts to fade just to be safe.

 

How exactly have I been 'bashing' Lambert ? Other than the fact I have said he isnt as effective as he was pre MoPo ? I even said back those 12 months ago that MoPo had a choice, stick to his tactics and find a replacement or change his tactics and play to Rickies strengths ? I have even said that he still has a place in the squad playing in AM but for me wont be leading the line as much which we are starting to see anyway ?

 

Im still waiting to hear a relevant arguement other than the fact that Rickie is a hero, he is yes, but sentiment will get in the way of ambition, if its sentiment you want lets dump Boruc and bring Davis back, lets dump Cork/Wanyama and bring Hammond back. Both played important parts in our rise from the lower leagues.

 

I get he is the peoples hero for us, we have a lot to thank him for but Im just being subjective and putting my opinion out there as to why I think it isnt working. Im not shoving it down your necks. Why dont you try and come up with some sort of reasonable debate instead of what Id call, 'true form of the mongboard' and carte blanche ignore any arguements whilst decreeing you must be right just because Lambert is a legend ?

 

So go back through and find out where I have said he has gone downhill when in reality I have only pointed out he isnt as effective in a system that the new manager has installed.

[Roger]

It was from a set-piece, that doesn't count as open play other than the ball technically being in 'open play' after it leaves the corner kicker's foot.

 

Doesn't mean he's not a useful weapon from set-pieces, but he hasn't scored a stikers goal this season. A free-kick, two pens and a header from a corner. Those are goals that centre-backs can score.

 

Rodriguez on the other hand has scored three brilliantly directed headers timing his run and getting the drop on the centre-halves, and two others from making a pest of himself and having the pace and composure to latch onto defenders mistakes, plus he's had goals wrongfully disallowed from offsides where he's latched onto through-balls and got himself tap-ins, as well as hitting the post by shifting and shooting from middle-distance.

 

Lambert has failed to do precisely any of those things this season.

 

Furthermore (and to be fair this isn't entirely Lambert's fault), the way we use Lambert by hitting him at the back stick for the header back across goal has become predictable and ineffective. Decent, physical teams have cottoned on to how to stop the supply and/or put Lambert under enough pressure to neutralise the threat.

 

Hitting Rickie at the back stick might work against Fulham, Hull and Villa at home (and take nothing away from his assists in those games, certainly in the former two he was excellent); but it doesn't and won't work against the bigger clubs anymore.

 

As I say this isn't entirely his fault at all, but his presence in the team makes the option of delivering from deep far more tempting than the more challenging but effective tactic of getting to the byeline and pulling it back/crossing the ball for a striker to run onto it.

 

There is a limit to how far the team can go as an attacking force when going forward if we persist with Lambert, as I've said on other threads, its not so much that Lambert has suddenly become terrible but more that in order for us to make that next step up to being a top-6 team, we need to start building the post-Lambert Southampton.

 

For all the Lambert-worshippers here for whom he literally can do no wrong, ask yourself these questions; to what extent do you see him being part of our future plans and for how long? and providing what kind of role exactly?

 

Scoring a header at the far post from a corner isn't a strikers goal? Jesus how long you been watching football!

[Turkish]

in the true form for the mong board all the lambert bashers will keep on bashing until the point that he actually does start to go downhill and then will joyfully tell us all "i told you so!"

 

whether this day comes in 1 week, 1 year or 3 years is irelevant. Smirking saint is a classic example who has been banging the lambert drum for about 12 months and wil no doubt point to his superior knowlege when this day comes. maybe they will start a shaw is finished thread in good time for the day when his light starts to fade just to be safe.

 

Who has been bashing Lambert and saying he is finished? What this is true mongboard form of is someone reacting hysterically when someone says something they dont agree with. I love Lambert as much as anyone but the truth of the matter is he hasnt been effective under Pochetino and the way we now play doesn't play to Lamberts strengths, when for the rest of time he has been here our team has been built around him. That along with the fact we only recently spent £15m on an Italian international striker who has been preferred to Lambert in pretty much all the tougher games when both has been fit tells you the full story. I keep hearing lots of talk about top 6 finishes and progressing and the Southampton way, yet this only seems to apply when it comes to people saying what others want to hear and not mentioning leaving out their favourite players. I'm sure if it was a thread about Rodriguez v Osvaldo many would say it's fine to drop Rodriguez for Osvaldo, despite the fact that Rodriguez has been our best striker this season.

[Roger]

Recent history (and we're talking about close to a good calendar year now) has not been positive for Rickie. Slightly less recent history is concentrated primarily in the lower leagues.

 

Don't get me wrong Rickie will always be a legend and indeed a useful weapon to have on the bench, but this is a massive case of heart-over-head, which I (and a lot of supporters who share my opinion) understand and sympathise with completely, but ultimately have to disagree with.

 

We need to look to the future of Southampton F.C. and that future from an attacking point of view is about getting the most out of potentially one of the best and most well-rounded young centre-forwards in the Premiership in Rodriguez and a starting striker for a top-tier International team with the ability to preface one of the most skillful finishes we've ever seen in the Premiership by plucking the ball out of the air and dancing around one of the best centre-halves in the world.

 

I think it's not a case off heart over head. Lambert gets much more involved in build up and is a team player. He was very good vs hull (made two scored 1) albeit a penalty so shall we chalk it off? Fulham scores a strikers goal and hit post again and looked very good. Away from home is where he's struggled but osvaldo hasn't been good away either. Mopo's system doesn't suit lambert. He needs to do what shearer did towards end of his career and just stay in the Middle And not move. However, we now ask him to go in the channels drop deeper and it tires him put and takes away his goal threat. But ffs he's not as bad as you make out and certainly much better than Rasiak lol

[Turkish]

I think it's not a case off heart over head. Lambert gets much more involved in build up and is a team player. He was very good vs hull (made two scored 1) albeit a penalty so shall we chalk it off? Fulham scores a strikers goal and hit post again and looked very good. Away from home is where he's struggled but osvaldo hasn't been good away either. Mopo's system doesn't suit lambert. He needs to do what shearer did towards end of his career and just stay in the Middle And not move. However, we now ask him to go in the channels drop deeper and it tires him put and takes away his goal threat. But ffs he's not as bad as you make out and certainly much better than Rasiak lol

 

SO on the one hand you're saying he offers so much in the build up play and that is why he should be included, yet in the next sentance saying he sholdn't do that and just stay in the middle. Yeah, makes sense.

[Roger]

SO on the one hand you're saying he offers so much in the build up play and that is why he should be included, yet in the next sentance saying he sholdn't do that and just stay in the middle. Yeah, makes sense.

 

No I'm saying for him in an idea world he'd stay in the middle. He's not getting any younger. Shearer was able to do this as he got older. However, he's adapted his game to get involved in the build up etc but it stops him being in right place so much. Unser Adkins, he was mainly in the middle and his scoring rate was superior. It's great that's he's done aswell as he has with the new way of playing. But his scoring rate is far down on what is was under Adkins.

[Turkish]

No I'm saying for him in an idea world he'd stay in the middle. He's not getting any younger. Shearer was able to do this as he got older. However, he's adapted his game to get involved in the build up etc but it stops him being in right place so much. Unser Adkins, he was mainly in the middle and his scoring rate was superior. It's great that's he's done aswell as he has with the new way of playing. But his scoring rate is far down on what is was under Adkins.

 

So if now he just stays in the middle then he don't be dropping deep or wide to be involved in the build up which is what you just said are one of the main reasons why he should be in the team.

[Roger]

So if now he just stays in the middle then he don't be dropping deep or wide to be involved in the build up which is what you just said are one of the main reasons why he should be in the team.

 

Well it's too his credit he can do that but I'm saying it means he's not in the box so much and then his scoring rate is down. However, even when in middle I think he'd hold ball up better than osvaldo has so far. I'm not saying osvaldo won't be better he may well be and deserves to start after sat IMO.

[Sour Mash]

It was from a set-piece, that doesn't count as open play other than the ball technically being in 'open play' after it leaves the corner kicker's foot.

 

Doesn't mean he's not a useful weapon from set-pieces, but he hasn't scored a stikers goal this season. A free-kick, two pens and a header from a corner. Those are goals that centre-backs can score.

 

Rodriguez on the other hand has scored three brilliantly directed headers timing his run and getting the drop on the centre-halves, and two others from making a pest of himself and having the pace and composure to latch onto defenders mistakes, plus he's had goals wrongfully disallowed from offsides where he's latched onto through-balls and got himself tap-ins, as well as hitting the post by shifting and shooting from middle-distance.

 

Lambert has failed to do precisely any of those things this season.

 

Furthermore (and to be fair this isn't entirely Lambert's fault), the way we use Lambert by hitting him at the back stick for the header back across goal has become predictable and ineffective. Decent, physical teams have cottoned on to how to stop the supply and/or put Lambert under enough pressure to neutralise the threat.

 

Hitting Rickie at the back stick might work against Fulham, Hull and Villa at home (and take nothing away from his assists in those games, certainly in the former two he was excellent); but it doesn't and won't work against the bigger clubs anymore.

 

As I say this isn't entirely his fault at all, but his presence in the team makes the option of delivering from deep far more tempting than the more challenging but effective tactic of getting to the byeline and pulling it back/crossing the ball for a striker to run onto it.

 

There is a limit to how far the team can go as an attacking force when going forward if we persist with Lambert, as I've said on other threads, its not so much that Lambert has suddenly become terrible but more that in order for us to make that next step up to being a top-6 team, we need to start building the post-Lambert Southampton.

 

For all the Lambert-worshippers here for whom he literally can do no wrong, ask yourself these questions; to what extent do you see him being part of our future plans and for how long? and providing what kind of role exactly?

Great effort at a wind up.

[Sour Mash]

Who has been bashing Lambert and saying he is finished? .

Read Window Cleaner's posts on this thread.

[trousers]

[Unbelievable Jeff]

 

That is genius!

[Turkish]

Read Window Cleaner's posts on this thread.

 

Nah, you're alright.

[shirleysfc]

Well it's too his credit he can do that but I'm saying it means he's not in the box so much and then his scoring rate is down. However, even when in middle I think he'd hold ball up better than osvaldo has so far. I'm not saying osvaldo won't be better he may well be and deserves to start after sat IMO.

 

So he'll hold the ball up better, what about score goals?

[MerceSaint28]

It depends on who we play but right now Osvaldo has to play...he has great movement and is improving all the time

 

certainly away to Newcastle, i think Dani will rightly start

[Roger]

So he'll hold the ball up better, what about score goals?

 

Think his records been half decent for us over the years!

[Pastor Patrón]

Don't be ridiculous. Rickie still has a big part to play. JRod is fine out wide.

 

In what way is that ridiculous? Rodriguez has scored more and looks more likely to score then Lambert, and Osvaldo is clearly better.

[Tom28]

Lambert win percentage when he starts is 50%. Osvaldo's is 37.5%. All 6 of our wins have come when Lambert has started. When they both start, win percentage is 60%.

 

We have scored 1.33 goals per game when Lambert has played. We have scored 1 goal per game when Osvaldo has played. We have scored 1 goal per game in the games when they've both started.

 

We have obtained 1.75 ppg in Lamberts 12 starts; and 1.5 ppg in Osvaldo's 8 starts. We have obtained 2 ppg when they have both started.

 

Stats aren't everything, and I'm sure you could find stats that paint a totally different picture. But these stats support my view that both should play. Those writing off Lambert are either a) a bit simple or b) on a wind up. I totally agree that he was off his game at Arsenal and at home to Villa but to say 'he's now past it' or 'a liability' is ridiculous. It's just your typical knee-jerk reaction from the simple minded amongst us.

[shirleysfc]

Think his records been half decent for us over the years!

 

No one is denying that. The conversation is about who should be starting now. For me, based on current form it has to be Osvaldo. Rickie still has a part to play though.

[SaintSteve]

In what way is that ridiculous? Rodriguez has scored more and looks more likely to score then Lambert, and Osvaldo is clearly better.

 

Rodriguez is miles away from being a top striker... and Osvaldo is not clearly better, hardly contributed as yet... I think you should be stopped from posting as your ignorance is embarrassing.

[Bwanamakubwa]

I want more of these player a vs player b threads. It means we have cover and competition. Both Lambert and Osvaldo are equally important and offer different qualities. When we have a Lovren vs..... or a Shaw vs ....., or a Lallana vs ....., Boruc vs...... this forum will go into meltdown but the club will be in a great position.

[Pastor Patrón]

Rodriguez is miles away from being a top striker... and Osvaldo is not clearly better, hardly contributed as yet... I think you should be stopped from posting as your ignorance is embarrassing.

 

Cool you be sure to tell Pochettino, Roy Hodgson and the top scorers chart that. I hear Roma have been sniffing around Lambert for £15mill.......said no one ever, do you even football you moron?

[Olallana]

Would be more interesting to see if Osvaldo would´ve played in his favourite position in games against Hull, Fulham and the likes.

So far it´s been Man U and Chelsea away and Man C at home.....

[SaintSteve]

Cool you be sure to tell Pochettino, Roy Hodgson and the top scorers chart that. I hear Roma have been sniffing around Lambert for £15mill.......said no one ever, do you even football you moron?

 

Come back when you have completed your English GCSE

[Sour Mash]

Cool you be sure to tell Pochettino, Roy Hodgson and the top scorers chart that. I hear Roma have been sniffing around Lambert for £15mill.......said no one ever, do you even football you moron?

Pochettino and Hodgson don't play Rodriguez as a striker though, do they?

[Pastor Patrón]

Come back when you have completed your English GCSE

 

Have you considered taking up debating as a hobby? Your ability to structure an argument is second to none, inb4 'la la shut up I bummed your mum'

[Rasiak-9-]

Great effort at a wind up.

 

The fact that you can't come up with a decent counter-argument (and don't pretend you wouldn't love to be able to or indeed that you can't be bothered; you have 8000+ posts on this forum) highlights the fact that people defending Lambert are doing so down to blind emotion.

 

This entire thread is level-headed people objectively looking at the two players with a degree of neutrality, and others who are putting loyalty before reason.

 

If it were up to half the idiots on this forum we'd have Chaplow and Hammond still in the team because they're good, honest, hard-working English players who aren't afraid to put a fackin' tackle in.

[Roger]

No one is denying that. The conversation is about who should be starting now. For me, based on current form it has to be Osvaldo. Rickie still has a part to play though.

 

I already said I'd start osvaldo on sat !

[petermcpete]

The fact that you can't come up with a decent counter-argument (and don't pretend you wouldn't love to be able to or indeed that you can't be bothered; you have 8000+ posts on this forum) highlights the fact that people defending Lambert are doing so down to blind emotion.

 

This entire thread is level-headed people objectively looking at the two players with a degree of neutrality, and others who are putting loyalty before reason.

 

If it were up to half the idiots on this forum we'd have Chaplow and Hammond still in the team because they're good, honest, hard-working English players who aren't afraid to put a fackin' tackle in.

 

I suppose Lambert is in the England squad due to loyalty, and nothing to do with the qualities he brings to a team?

[Roger]

The fact that you can't come up with a decent counter-argument (and don't pretend you wouldn't love to be able to or indeed that you can't be bothered; you have 8000+ posts on this forum) highlights the fact that people defending Lambert are doing so down to blind emotion.

 

This entire thread is level-headed people objectively looking at the two players with a degree of neutrality, and others who are putting loyalty before reason.

 

If it were up to half the idiots on this forum we'd have Chaplow and Hammond still in the team because they're good, honest, hard-working English players who aren't afraid to put a fackin' tackle in.

 

Oh cos that's exactly the same isn't it? Completely clueless!

[SaintSteve]

The fact that you can't come up with a decent counter-argument (and don't pretend you wouldn't love to be able to or indeed that you can't be bothered; you have 8000+ posts on this forum) highlights the fact that people defending Lambert are doing so down to blind emotion.

 

This entire thread is level-headed people objectively looking at the two players with a degree of neutrality, and others who are putting loyalty before reason.

 

If it were up to half the idiots on this forum we'd have Chaplow and Hammond still in the team because they're good, honest, hard-working English players who aren't afraid to put a fackin' tackle in.

 

There is no need for a counter argument. Osvaldo and lambert have completely different skillsets and we can play one or both depending on the opposition.

You are trying to suggest Lambert has no future at St Mary's which is quite laughable.

And as for Rodriguez, he is still learning to control the football let alone be in Lamberts class.

[Pastor Patrón]

There is no need for a counter argument. Osvaldo and lambert have completely different skillsets and we can play one or both depending on the opposition.

You are trying to suggest Lambert has no future at St Mary's which is quite laughable.

And as for Rodriguez, he is still learning to control the football let alone be in Lamberts class.

 

Yes and Lamberts skillset is completely innapropriate for our style of play, hence his appearances getting more and more limited and scoring pretty much never. With him wanting more England caps hell want regular football so no it's not remotely laughable to think he has no future here.

Rodriguez meanwhile has scored more goals, looked more dangerous and suits our style of play perfectly, hence playing every game

[Smirking_Saint]

I suppose Lambert is in the England squad due to loyalty, and nothing to do with the qualities he brings to a team?

 

Indeed, a team that plays a system that compliments those qualities