petermcpete Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 As far as their lack of creativity is concerned, Southampton's Adam Lallana would be my pick to put that right. He is young and proven in the Premier League, and he and Carrick would be a good mix in the middle. In defence, United keep getting linked with Leighton Baines for obvious reasons, after failing with a bid for him in the summer. But, if I were Moyes, I would go for another Saints player, Luke Shaw, instead as Patrice Evra's replacement at left-back. Shaw is 18, has a great attitude and looks a big talent. He has followed Theo Walcott and Gareth Bale out of the Saints academy and they clearly teach their young players the right way. It is a great breeding ground for players to do well at bigger clubs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25291341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 "It [southampton's Academy] is a great breeding ground for players to do well at bigger clubs". What an attitude! They can't do well at the club that trained them and formed them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 This is a thread in one of the very good Manure fanzines which stated 12 players they should buy and five were SFC - Shaw Clyne Lovren Schneiderlin Lalanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Hey, it worked for Blackburn.....he is a former Rovers player after all....second nature innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 loads = 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Pitch Forks! Torches! We march to Robbie Savage's house TONIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Why would any of the Saints players want a transfer to a team that is lower in the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 "It [southampton's Academy] is a great breeding ground for players to do well at bigger clubs". What an attitude! They can't do well at the club that trained them and formed them? They can now we can afford to pay them what they're worth and give them Premiership football. Hasn't always been the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Savage can do one....pathetic premise that players are bred to move on. Girly haired twunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 **** off Savage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 What has he said that's wrong? A lot of our young players have done well at bigger clubs and I reckon a few more of them could. He's just named two of our players (a load) as excellent players who could cut it at the highest level. We are a "breeding ground" for excellent players, fair enough. Bigger clubs would be stupid not to be interested, doesn't mean anything about whether they'll stay or go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 It's ironic that Savage's suggestion that Saints academy is a breeding ground for players to do well at bigger clubs when his journey took him in exactly the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 For me, it's just praising our players, we'd all be moaning if Savage came out with an article saying none of our players are good enough for United. Personally, for some reason I'm not worried about any of our top players leaving. I think the players are aware of what we're trying to build here, and whilst we're not going to become a Champions League side overnight, our progress for the last 5 seasons shows Cortese is a man with big plans. And so far he has executed them almost perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Does anybody take Savage seriously? Only the BBC it seems but the bloke is a clueless brain dead idiot (IMHO of course). I would say we should look out for him at SMS dare he show himself here after this insulting commentary. His derogatory implications of our Club should be in the same category as racism and the bloke should be kicked off air for good. Make the bugger go out and earn a proper living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Few tetchy heads on here, surely you need to take this as a compliment, we have only been back in the prem for a year and a half and our players have been linked all over the place. No we are not the selling club we used to be, we have money, a good infrastructure and clearly a vision, but lets not kid ourselves that we will keep the squad together infinately. Eventually we will sell, but take heart that this time it will be on our terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Does anybody take Savage seriously? Only the BBC it seems but the bloke is a clueless brain dead idiot (IMHO of course). I would say we should look out for him at SMS dare he show himself here after this insulting commentary. His derogatory implications of our Club should be in the same category as racism and the bloke should be kicked off air for good. Make the bugger go out and earn a proper living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Schneiderlin and Lovren would be a better fit for them surely. Although I hope they are told where to crawl back to should any approach be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 He's only acknowledging how good are academy is, lets face it, Manu are going to be linked to everyman and his dog in the January window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcpete Posted 9 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2013 loads = 2. Or looking at it a different way, 2 saints players out of 2 suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Also - it is an article about how Man Utd can improve, focused solely on Man U, so take it as a compliment and move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Moyes already stated in the summer he has an unlimited budget, if he goes shopping in January he will get bent over the negotiating table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 I love that last season everyone was saying what a great squad Sir Alex left for however came in after him, new class of 92 ready to be explored bla bla... Few months on, it was a poor squad that was already showing signs of decline. It still is, of course, the SAME squad. One that won the league incredibly comfortably last year. I also don't buy this "Sir Alex took 4 years to come good at United". While that is true ("ta-ra Fergie" and the lot), and changes in attitude through time aside, who would you have more patience with? A man who put an average SPL side leading the chronically bipolar Scottish game for almost a decade, beating a great Real Madrid to win a European trophy, or a manager who had Everton cruising on auto-pilot in mid-table for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Who the **** does he think he is, complimenting our players and academy. We're Southampton FFS, he should know who we are, he should be saying our academy produces excellent players who could improve top teams! What a jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Who the **** does he think he is, complimenting our players and academy. We're Southampton FFS, he should know who we are, he should be saying our academy produces excellent players who could improve top teams! What a jerk. +1, well said sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Who the **** does he think he is, complimenting our players and academy. We're Southampton FFS, he should know who we are, he should be saying our academy produces excellent players who could improve top teams! What a jerk. I think his point is proved with Shearer Bale Bridge Walcott and OXO I wonder which of our current young players will move which I am sure they will if they want to win trophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 I'm of the view this gives us the opportunity to have a little mid-week fun and pose the question the other way - which of Manchester United's current squad should we consider buying in the January window? Vidic? Rooney? I'm struggling ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 RVP - great striker but a little fragile, needs to man-up. Carrick - solid DM, will keep MS, JC and VW on their toes. Vidic - Make a great partner for the best CB in the premiership. Thats all I would take from their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 RVP - great striker but a little fragile, needs to man-up. Carrick - solid DM, will keep MS, JC and VW on their toes. Vidic - Make a great partner for the best CB in the premiership. Thats all I would take from their squad. I'd prefer de Gea as back up to Artur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 I love that last season everyone was saying what a great squad Sir Alex left for however came in after him, new class of 92 ready to be explored bla bla... Few months on, it was a poor squad that was already showing signs of decline. It still is, of course, the SAME squad. One that won the league incredibly comfortably last year. I also don't buy this "Sir Alex took 4 years to come good at United". While that is true ("ta-ra Fergie" and the lot), and changes in attitude through time aside, who would you have more patience with? A man who put an average SPL side leading the chronically bipolar Scottish game for almost a decade, beating a great Real Madrid to win a European trophy, or a manager who had Everton cruising on auto-pilot in mid-table for years? Pretty sure the consesus last season was Sir Alex won the title with an incredibly average UTD team, basically the absolute opposite of what you're saying. And it takes a heck of a lot to consistently deliver top 8, again the absolute opposite of auto pilot. Other than that, you're spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 "It [southampton's Academy] is a great breeding ground for players to do well at bigger clubs". What an attitude! They can't do well at the club that trained them and formed them? I wouldn't be so surprised, would you turn down a promotion to a bigger firm on better pay out of loyalty to the tea lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Really worried and upset by Savage's comments. Realising now that Moyes does not have a scouting network and that he wouldn't know that Southampton have players that would improve his misfiring team. Hope Moyes does actually read Savage's article on the BBC web site to get this insightful information. Moyes has earned my respect now knowing his chief scout is Robbie Savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 To be expected..... Man U are one of the 3 biggest clubs in the whole wide world. Any player who was offered the chance to play for them (and feature in the first team) would be a little bit mental if they didn't consider joining them. I'd be irritated if say Villa or Everyon said stuff like that, but the Man u's, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City's are big big clubs on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Well, he is right. Almost all of our best academy products have gone onto success at bigger clubs, and it's a very new idea that they can stay and succeed here. It's a work in progress. United should move to buy Lallana and Shaw. They should not, however, succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Pretty sure the consesus last season was Sir Alex won the title with an incredibly average UTD team, basically the absolute opposite of what you're saying. And it takes a heck of a lot to consistently deliver top 8, again the absolute opposite of auto pilot. Other than that, you're spot on. Basically this, Utd were lucky that the rest were stuttering last season and their older players had not quite declined to the level that they find them in now. I thought it was a popular opinion that Utds team is arguably the weakest in the last 10 years or so. Ok they have some youth coming through but nothing that would overly excite me if I was a Utd fan except perhaps Januzasj. SAF obviously realised this and moved out sharpish. It also shows the level of the man as there is a vast difference between this and last season. A team of Utds calibre SHOULDNT be relying on an ageing pair of midfielders of a combined age of almost 80 no matter how good they are but SAF managed it. Moyes is a good manager who has transformed Everton from where they were. He is going to have to respond quickly but of course he deserves time. He will be judged on transfers and seriously needs to get them right in Jan and the summer, Fellaini was a poor signing for me who IMO doesnt really fit the system but he has form in that department (beattie). Its not really a surprise they arent at top form though, average team that needs replacements at midfield and Centre Back as a priority. New manager with an entirely new back room team and all the pressures of managing a massive club in the shadow of a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 This thread just goes to show that the 'biggest' aspect when comparing football clubs isn't the size of their stadia, the wealth of their benefactors or the numbers of supporters. It's about who's got the best management team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 United should move to buy Lallana and Shaw. They should not, however, succeed. On the basis they were willing to waste over £27Mill for Fellaini, and they have ( apparently ) an unlimited budget,could we resist £30Mill for AL and £20Mill plus add-ons for LS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 On the basis they were willing to waste over £27Mill for Fellaini, and they have ( apparently ) an unlimited budget,could we resist £30Mill for AL and £20Mill plus add-ons for LS ? I've been thinking about this - it's about the price we put on our philosophy. £30m is ludicrous money and if it were any player we'd be crazy to turn it down, but a homegrown player might be priceless to the way we want to run our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 I'm of the view this gives us the opportunity to have a little mid-week fun and pose the question the other way - which of Manchester United's current squad should we consider buying in the January window? Vidic? Rooney? I'm struggling ... Adnan Januzaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 They need Banega. So do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 **** off, Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 RVP - great striker but a little fragile, needs to man-up. Carrick - solid DM, will keep MS, JC and VW on their toes. Vidic - Make a great partner for the best CB in the premiership. Thats all I would take from their squad. De Gea Jones Rooney van Persie Hernadez Carrick Kagawa Vidic Zaha Januzaj Felliani Of the top of my head, I do hope you are joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 De Gea Jones Rooney van Persie Hernadez Carrick Kagawa Vidic Zaha Januzaj Felliani Of the top of my head, I do hope you are joking. We're talking about Saints, skatey...not your lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 We're talking about Saints, skatey...not your lot! You are a confused angry young man aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 On the basis they were willing to waste over £27Mill for Fellaini, and they have ( apparently ) an unlimited budget,could we resist £30Mill for AL and £20Mill plus add-ons for LS ? In this climate those two have to be worth 40m each take it or leave it- simple. However even then you have to replace them which is ni on impossible with similar value players. We know that 12 to 15 m after all only buys you fairly average players these days.....Plus if Fellani is worth 27m then AL should be worth near double that! To fullfil our ambitions though we need to keep our best players at all costs..... They can have Fox for 12m, now there's generosity for you! There are plenty of Saints supporters who rate him very highly! Ramirez could go for a very similar fee again highly rated by plenty here..... Hasn't Robbie Savage made any suggestions about who we could buy in order to secure a Champions League spot? I think that is how Cortese will be thinking right now. The thing we have to remember is if we want players to be settled in by next year when I presume we are planning on a push for top 4 or at least 6 then players need to be bought in January. We know that buying in the close season is too late to get players in and settled for pre season and then they are playing catch up.. I think we might be busy bringing in two or three this Jan particularly if a couple leave who can't make the squad except when we have a few injuries.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Manchester United @ManUtd David Moyes says #mufc must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Can't stand Robbie `I want to move closer to my family' Savage, but he is spot on when saying United should buy Shaw and Lallana. Morgan and Lovren would be ideal also, but those two don't show up on highlights programmes so it will probably take Savage a few more years before he mentions them. Not sure why anyone gets hot under the collar when a pundit suggests a bigger side would improve if they signed a player from x or y club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 In this climate those two have to be worth 40m each take it or leave it- simple. However even then you have to replace them which is ni on impossible with similar value players. We know that 12 to 15 m after all only buys you fairly average players these days.....Plus if Fellani is worth 27m then AL should be worth near double that! To fullfil our ambitions though we need to keep our best players at all costs..... They can have Fox for 12m, now there's generosity for you! There are plenty of Saints supporters who rate him very highly! Ramirez could go for a very similar fee again highly rated by plenty here..... Hasn't Robbie Savage made any suggestions about who we could buy in order to secure a Champions League spot? I think that is how Cortese will be thinking right now. The thing we have to remember is if we want players to be settled in by next year when I presume we are planning on a push for top 4 or at least 6 then players need to be bought in January. We know that buying in the close season is too late to get players in and settled for pre season and then they are playing catch up.. I think we might be busy bringing in two or three this Jan particularly if a couple leave who can't make the squad except when we have a few injuries.... If a serious cemented bid of £30 Million came in for any of our players we would sell, even if we did not want or require to, the player would want to go or their agent would push it upon them, the lure is just too big. We could not offer them anything, the only way we could get them to stay is to buy huge and do a Chelsea or City, that is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Savage would partner Lallana with Carrick in the centre of midfield which shows how much he knows about the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 Manchester United @ManUtd David Moyes says #mufc must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending. Captain Obvious strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 9 December, 2013 Share Posted 9 December, 2013 If a serious cemented bid of £30 Million came in for any of our players we would sell, even if we did not want or require to, the player would want to go or their agent would push it upon them, the lure is just too big. We could not offer them anything, the only way we could get them to stay is to buy huge and do a Chelsea or City, that is not going to happen. Well I hope I am right and you are wrong.... - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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