RIP Nelson Mandela

[hypochondriac]

He isn't being championed for that and you know that I guess but you wouldn't get your argument then. I actually agree with much of what you are saying but labouring the point of his past. The key thing is that he became a man of peace. Haven't heard anyone say anything against him (apart from here of course) so must have been a decent genuine sort.

 

Oh that's alright then. He became a man of peace so let's forget the stuff before then. What a weird argument!

[whelk]

I've no wish to repeat myself.

Chuckles

[whelk]

Oh that's alright then. He became a man of peace so let's forget the stuff before then. What a weird argument!

 

Weird? The fact that you can't comprehend it suggests you are a wee bit dense mate.

[Turkish]

Oh that's alright then. He became a man of peace so let's forget the stuff before then. What a weird argument!

 

As I said earlier, Gerry Adams, what a great guy, really helped peace in Ireland.....

[Griffo]

Give the game a miss, may be too many black players for your liking anyway.

 

So because me and some others are not particularly devastated about the death of someone who has killed innocent people, we're racist. I've got it. I see what we're up against now. Lunatic.

[whelk]

As I said earlier, Gerry Adams, what a great guy, really helped peace in Ireland.....

 

And you can't tell the difference? The media today must be very confusing for you eh? "But I don't geddit he's a terrorist baddie"

[Tamesaint]

There is still a valid comparison with the IRA, that is pretty clear to see.

 

On a superficial level perhaps but blacks in SAfrica had a much worse life with much greater oppression than anybody in N Ireland in the years before the Troubles. The National government in S Africa had been admirers of the Nazis FFS!!

 

To bring that regime to an end, relatively peacefully with a lot less bloodshed than in N Ireland and to create a united "rainbow" nation that despite the sceptics has held together was a remarkable achievement.That is why Mandela was a great man. Comparisons with the IRA are only superficial.

[hypochondriac]

Weird? The fact that you can't comprehend it suggests you are a wee bit dense mate.

 

I must be really thick I just don't follow your logic. If Kim Jong un suddenly Advocated peace in North Korea do we just ignore everything that went before?

[Tamesaint]

If you can't comprehend my point that's not my problem pal. I've no wish to repeat myself.

 

LOL

[whelk]

I must be really thick I just don't follow your logic. If Kim Jong un suddenly Advocated peace in North Korea do we just ignore everything that went before?

 

And you can't tell the difference? The media today must be very confusing for you eh? "But I don't geddit he's a terrorist baddie"

[aintforever]

So because me and some others are not particularly devastated about the death of someone who has killed innocent people, we're racist. I've got it. I see what we're up against now. Lunatic.

 

His people were denied the vote and being killed. Maybe he should have just sent a strongly worded letter to his local MP?

[whelk]

I must be really thick I just don't follow your logic. If Kim Jong un suddenly Advocated peace in North Korea do we just ignore everything that went before?

 

I suppose you think he shouldn't have be released from prison either?

[Griffo]

Oh that's alright then. He became a man of peace so let's forget the stuff before then. What a weird argument!

 

I used to hang around outside schools naked in bushes with a pair of binoculars and snatch kids. But now I work at the NSPCC.

[Tamesaint]

And you can't tell the difference? The media today must be very confusing for you eh? "But I don't geddit he's a terrorist baddie"

 

Well, he did admit that he was really thick.

[Jonnyboy]

So because me and some others are not particularly devastated about the death of someone who has killed innocent people, we're racist. I've got it. I see what we're up against now. Lunatic.

 

That and the fact that 90% of your posts on here are EDf and "anti-black."

 

What's your issue with Doreen Lawrence by the way?

Edited 7 December, 2013 by Jonnyboy

[hypochondriac]

And you can't tell the difference? The media today must be very confusing for you eh? "But I don't geddit he's a terrorist baddie"

 

Mandela Advocated violence and harmed people. Kim Jong un advocates violence and harms people. The principle is exactly the same.

[aintforever]

Mandela Advocated violence and harmed people. Kim Jong un advocates violence and harms people. The principle is exactly the same.

 

LOL. I have read some retarded sh!t on here before but you should win a prize for that!

[whelk]

I used to hang around outside schools naked in bushes with a pair of binoculars and snatch kids. But now I work at the NSPCC.

 

Mate you are so thick it is comical. I think it was you you used the term spaz in some other thread which tells a few things.

[Jonnyboy]

I must be really thick I just don't follow your logic. If Kim Jong un suddenly Advocated peace in North Korea do we just ignore everything that went before?

 

Yes if he's truly serious about democratic reforms because that's the only way to a better future. It's called maturity.

[hypochondriac]

I suppose you think he shouldn't have be released from prison either?

 

Erm no I don't think that. I don't think he should be held up as some shining example for everyone to follow though. He even said that himself btw. I already mentioned that the likes of Martin Luther King are the ones who are truly great. Mandela did some truly bad stuff.

[whelk]

Mandela Advocated violence and harmed people. Kim Jong un advocates violence and harms people. The principle is exactly the same.

 

As I keep saying I feel sorry for your confusion and must be very so today. Have you got family or friends who might be able to explain the difference? Cos afraid I haven't the patience

[hypochondriac]

Well, he did admit that he was really thick.

 

Sarcasm doesn't translate well on here.

[hypochondriac]

And you can't tell the difference? The media today must be very confusing for you eh? "But I don't geddit he's a terrorist baddie"

 

Oh I see we are following what the media say now. Well if they say he is great then it must be true. The media are clearly beyond reproach.

[Jonnyboy]

Mandela Advocated violence and harmed people. Kim Jong un advocates violence and harms people. The principle is exactly the same.

 

 

I hope for your sake it's a couple of shandies that's caused you to have a toddler's brain.

[hypochondriac]

 

I hope for your sake it's a couple of shandies that's caused you to have a toddler's brain.

 

Explain to me how the principles differ. Or you know continue with abuse. Your choice I suppose.

[hypochondriac]

As I keep saying I feel sorry for your confusion and must be very so today. Have you got family or friends who might be able to explain the difference? Cos afraid I haven't the patience

 

Running away from the argument is always the best tactic.

[Sour Mash]

On a superficial level perhaps but blacks in SAfrica had a much worse life with much greater oppression than anybody in N Ireland in the years before the Troubles. The National government in S Africa had been admirers of the Nazis FFS!!

 

To bring that regime to an end, relatively peacefully with a lot less bloodshed than in N Ireland and to create a united "rainbow" nation that despite the sceptics has held together was a remarkable achievement.That is why Mandela was a great man. Comparisons with the IRA are only superficial.

Only superficial? How do you figure that? I wouldn't call modern day South Africa a united nation.

[hypochondriac]

Yes if he's truly serious about democratic reforms because that's the only way to a better future. It's called maturity.

 

Oh OK then. You heard it here first, Kim Jong un is officially blameless if he starts advocating peace. Excellent.

[hypochondriac]

Mate you are so thick it is comical. I think it was you you used the term spaz in some other thread which tells a few things.

 

I notice that rather than addressing any of the points that differ from your own you are just going around calling everyone thick. That's interesting behaviour.

[whelk]

Oh I see we are following what the media say now. Well if they say he is great then it must be true. The media are clearly beyond reproach.

 

You'll probably find Richard Littlejohn will do a hate piece that up you will relate to. I actually don't agree that he was a saint and stuff is OTT but that is someway off being link to same sort of person as Adams or kim jong un

[Jonnyboy]

Oh OK then. You heard it here first, Kim Jong un is officially blameless if he starts advocating peace. Excellent.

 

Never said that. What's more important, banging up one man or lifting millions out of starvation?

[aintforever]

Explain to me how the principles differ.

 

LOL. Could you even get two more opposite people?

 

One a oppressive dictator, the other fought for freedom and democracy.

 

You really can't be as thick as you make out?

[hypochondriac]

You'll probably find Richard Littlejohn will do a hate piece that up you will relate to. I actually don't agree that he was a saint and stuff is OTT but that is someway off being link to same sort of person as Adams or kim jong un

 

Where was he compared to either of those two? I would suggest it is you who is failing to grasp what is being said but rather than calling you thick perhaps it is my fault for not explaining my argument in easier to understand terms.

[whelk]

I notice that rather than addressing any of the points that differ from your own you are just going around calling everyone thick. That's interesting behaviour.

 

Do you wonder why no one else is echoing your views in any of the media? Conspiracy?

[Jonnyboy]

Explain to me how the principles differ. Or you know continue with abuse. Your choice I suppose.

 

Are you a supporter of the use of violence by the British army?

[hypochondriac]

Do you wonder why no one else is echoing your views in any of the media? Conspiracy?

 

I've given my views on conspiracy theories before (see numerous pap threads). I suspect some find it easier to forgive past sins because they are so ashamed of South Africa's racist past. It doesn't make what he did before right though and my suspicion is that he would be one of the first to admit that.

[hypochondriac]

Are you a supporter of the use of violence by the British army?

 

Are you comparing Nelson Mandela to the British army?

[Jonnyboy]

I've given my views on conspiracy theories before (see numerous pap threads). I suspect some find it easier to forgive past sins because they are so ashamed of South Africa's racist past. It doesn't make what he did before right though and my suspicion is that he would be one of the first to admit that.

 

He has expressed regret.

[whelk]

Where was he compared to either of those two? I would suggest it is you who is failing to grasp what is being said but rather than calling you thick perhaps it is my fault for not explaining my argument in easier to understand terms.

 

I cannot be bothered to argue semantics but you and others in thread have been constantly saying you can't see difference. The rest of world can so I am comfortable in my view. Like I woulnt bother trying to explain how the world is not flat to a member of flat earth society.

[hypochondriac]

He has expressed regret.

 

Oh that's alright then.

[Jonnyboy]

Are you comparing Nelson Mandela to the British army?

 

You are the one taking a pacifistic stance saying that Mandela is the same as Kim Jong un for using violence.

[hypochondriac]

 

But yeah you know great man who should be forgiven because he expressed regret and stuff. Example to all.

[Sour Mash]

You'll probably find Richard Littlejohn will do a hate piece that up you will relate to. I actually don't agree that he was a saint and stuff is OTT but that is someway off being link to same sort of person as Adams or kim jong un

How, in your opinion, does Mandela differ to Gerry Adams?

[Jonnyboy]

Oh that's alright then.

 

What exactly is your point? Just a bit of trolling?

[Griffo]

That and the fact that 90% of your posts on here are EDf and "anti-black."

 

What's your issue with Doreen Lawrence by the way?

 

90% of my posts? Go on, have a look. There's a task for you.

 

And my issue with Doreen is that she has a say about anything and everything now. Yes, it was awful what happened, but she's been elevated to some sort of spokesperson for the whole black community as well as our whole society pretty much. She has to pass a say on everything. Politics, has had a fair bit to say about the police and I seem to remember her talking about schooling as well as having her say on what John Terry said to Anton Ferdinand!! It's as if she's used what happened to her advantage. She now has a place in parliament I believe? She even managed to get her hands on the Olympic flame.

Edited 7 December, 2013 by Griffo

[hypochondriac]

What exactly is your point? Just a bit of trolling?

 

My point is that expressing regret for mass killings of innocent people doesn't absolve you of the crime or make you some sort of example for people to follow.

[hypochondriac]

How, in your opinion, does Mandela differ to Gerry Adams?

 

He expressed regret apparently.

[Jonnyboy]

My point is that expressing regret for mass killings of innocent people doesn't absolve you of the crime or make you some sort of example for people to follow.

 

Well that's that's about every Western government off the list too then.

[aintforever]

He was fully justified in using violence. They tried protests and sabotage, there was no alternative.

 

I applaud him for that. If I was in his situation I would do the same. The bloke is a hero for standing up to them racist c*nts. Apartheid was one of the great evils in this world.

[hypochondriac]

Imagine for a second that an Iraqi is fed up with the British army ruining his country and oppressing his fellow countrymen so he goes and organises a load of bombings in protest in the UK which kills a load of innocent people. He then gets sent to prison for ages and in the meantime we come to understand that the Iraq campaign was totally wrong. After a couple of decades he is freed and welcomed as a hero and an example for out children to follow because he doesn't harbour any Ill will against the authorities that imprisoned him. Now how is that much different from what happened here?