RIP Nelson Mandela

[whelk]

I think the done thing is to get on to twitter and tweet RIP when first hearing of a death.

[Hamilton Saint]

Clapping is so pathetic. Silence is so much more dignified although not sure warranted in this case anyway

 

I think they chose clapping because they were concerned that some reactionaries, with no sense of historical perspective, would break the silence by yelling out "he was a terrorist!"

 

HTH

[Turkish]

In years to come people will talk about this day, they will say I'll never forget the day Mandela died. The first thing I did was log onto twitter and see 28 other people and posted RIP so immediately I retweeted all of then before adding my own hurt to the snowball of grief. Then it was onto Facebook, where I immediately updated my status with a 'RIP - a great man' and changed my profile picture to the one of him shaking hands with Gerry Adams, proof that he wasn't racist. 13 likes and 12 comments later and unable to cope with my grief I flicked onto I'm a celebrity get me out of here to take my my mind off it all. I was so shocked that Rebbecca Adlington got voted off I simply had to update my Facebook status about it.

[trousers]

Yes, she opposed apartheid; but she also opposed sanctions.

 

Indeed, and what is so wrong about having a different view on how to overcome apartheid? Does having a different opinion on the best solution make someone 'bad'?

[Hamilton Saint]

Indeed, and what is so wrong about having a different view on how to overcome apartheid? Does having a different opinion on the best solution make someone 'bad'?

 

No, just wrong.

 

She had a "different view" about Pinochet in Chile. She was wrong on that, too. And bad!

[whelk]

Sky sports news were reading RIP tweets from footballers this morning. We have taken it to a new level. BBC were talking to a reporter outside his house.

The story was essentially an elderly man died. Radio 4 even called it tragic.

Ok a massive story but there is nothing else to it other than an obituary and what a few statesman says which tends to be pretty generic.

How can anyone other then family and friends be genuinely sad?

[Whitey Grandad]

Sky sports news were reading RIP tweets from footballers this morning. We have taken it to a new level. BBC were talking to a reporter outside his house.

The story was essentially an elderly man died. Radio 4 even called it tragic.

Ok a massive story but there is nothing else to it other than an obituary and what a few statesman says which tends to be pretty generic.

How can anyone other then family and friends be genuinely sad?

 

The BBC were creaming themselves this morning on Radio 4, quite embarrassing really. Everybody dies eventually.

[dubai_phil]

you could have a career at clinton cards if you ever come home, phil.

 

Well, thanks Bearsy. It'll beat working at McD's that's for sure.

[hypochondriac]

Sky sports news were reading RIP tweets from footballers this morning. We have taken it to a new level. BBC were talking to a reporter outside his house.

The story was essentially an elderly man died. Radio 4 even called it tragic.

Ok a massive story but there is nothing else to it other than an obituary and what a few statesman says which tends to be pretty generic.

How can anyone other then family and friends be genuinely sad?

 

TBF we had people on here saying they were literally sat at the keyboard crying when Markus died.

[Patrick Bateman]

I think the done thing is to get on to twitter and tweet RIP when first hearing of a death.

 

Agree with this. What is the bloody point? I'm not being funny as yes, it is someone has died; especially this person in question.

 

But, I don't get the craze with going on Facebook and Twitter with the, "OMG, Mandeela is dead, rip, great man" [sic].

 

1. You're trying to make yourself look like you care when you really want brownie points for "caring"

2. Someone like Mandela at 95, wouldn't really give a toss about what a load of teenagers on Twitter think

 

Rant over.

 

Sad times, yes, sympathies and best wishes to his family.

[Ludwig]

Agree with this. What is the bloody point? I'm not being funny as yes, it is someone has died; especially this person in question.

 

But, I don't get the craze with going on Facebook and Twitter with the, "OMG, Mandeela is dead, rip, great man" [sic].

 

1. You're trying to make yourself look like you care when you really want brownie points for "caring"

2. Someone like Mandela at 95, wouldn't really give a toss about what a load of teenagers on Twitter think

 

Rant over.

 

Sad times, yes, sympathies and best wishes to his family.

 

why are you sending his family best wishes? They won't read this thread, you know. Maybe you're just trying to make it seem like you're sending best wishes, to get some brownie points?

 

Anyway, RIP, a great man. There have been some horrible comments on here and some people should be ashamed.

[Patrick Bateman]

Irony my dear, irony. Lost on you obviously.

 

How are Watford doing?

[hypochondriac]

why are you sending his family best wishes? They won't read this thread, you know. Maybe you're just trying to make it seem like you're sending best wishes, to get some brownie points?

 

Anyway, RIP, a great man. There have been some horrible comments on here and some people should be ashamed.

 

I'm sure you adding rip on here has made the world of difference. Also the four hour programme on five live achieved something similar.

[Noodles34]

But in all seriousness how many things do we need minutes silences/applause for? It's getting like Liverpool-style grief now. What's it got to football, Southampton FC or anything? If people are affected by it and want to pay their respects then they can do it privately. I'll be spending a couple minutes extra in the pub to avoid this circus show.

 

Give the game a miss, may be too many black players for your liking anyway.

[shurlock]

I'm sure you adding rip on here has made the world of difference. Also the four hour programme on five live achieved something similar.

 

Why does it have to make a difference?

[Jonnyboy]

In years to come people will talk about this day, they will say I'll never forget the day Mandela died. The first thing I did was log onto twitter and see 28 other people and posted RIP so immediately I retweeted all of then before adding my own hurt to the snowball of grief. Then it was onto Facebook, where I immediately updated my status with a 'RIP - a great man' and changed my profile picture to the one of him shaking hands with Gerry Adams, proof that he wasn't racist. 13 likes and 12 comments later and unable to cope with my grief I flicked onto I'm a celebrity get me out of here to take my my mind off it all. I was so shocked that Rebbecca Adlington got voted off I simply had to update my Facebook status about it.

 

Whereas all the true free-thinkers and individuals made snarky comments on football forums about "terrorism."

[Jonnyboy]

Agree with this. What is the bloody point? I'm not being funny as yes, it is someone has died; especially this person in question.

 

But, I don't get the craze with going on Facebook and Twitter with the, "OMG, Mandeela is dead, rip, great man" [sic].

 

1. You're trying to make yourself look like you care when you really want brownie points for "caring"

2. Someone like Mandela at 95, wouldn't really give a toss about what a load of teenagers on Twitter think

 

Rant over.

 

Sad times, yes, sympathies and best wishes to his family.

 

The Facebook status starts: "What's on your mind?..."

 

Is it not understandable that many people put in that box what is actually on their mind?

[Jonnyboy]

He inspired me to campaign outside SA House with others involved in the anti-apartheid movement. He inspired me to believe that hate and prejudice could be overcome.

 

Is that why you're cool with executing injured enemy combatants?

[hypochondriac]

Why does it have to make a difference?

 

In that case why write it at all?

[hypochondriac]

Is that why you're cool with executing injured enemy combatants?

 

He inspired me to advocate violence and sabotage against my enemies.

[Turkish]

Whereas all the true free-thinkers and individuals made snarky comments on football forums about "terrorism."

 

No sarky comments here pal, just asking questions and making points others are scared to deal with.

[aintforever]

He inspired me to advocate violence and sabotage against my enemies.

 

Absolutely, I would like to think if I was in his situation I would have the bottle to do what he did.

[trousers]

http://gladstonediaries.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/mandela-and-thatcher-friends-or-foes.html?m=1

[Turkish]

Surprised no one has mentioned the Mandela United football club yet, what with this being a football forum and all. What was their tactic? Oh that's it. I believe it was called necklacing.

[Turkish]

Best mates, well they do have a lot in common.

 

[Jonnyboy]

He inspired me to advocate violence and sabotage against my enemies.

 

Id do the fukin same if an African country had come over here and enslaved my grandparents and subjected all indigenous folk to near slavery.

 

You bet Id blow a few up. Anyay, these so called "innocents," the adults at least, were all part of this apartheid system, benefiting off the labour and resources of the locals.

[Jonnyboy]

No sarky comments here pal, just asking questions and making points others are scared to deal with.

 

Scared to deal with the fact they post their thoughts on Facebook? Ooh the trauma.

[Turkish]

Scared to deal with the fact they post their thoughts on Facebook? Ooh the trauma.

 

Sheep mentality pal.

[Turkish]

Id do the fukin same if an African country had come over here and enslaved my grandparents and subjected all indigenous folk to near slavery.

 

You bet Id blow a few up. Anyay, these so called "innocents," the adults at least, were all part of this apartheid system, benefiting off the labour and resources of the locals.

 

So if an innocent person in London was killed by Islamic extremist carrying violent acts out due to the British army being in afghan , this would be fine because they are part of the system that was benefiting from their army being in afghan, yes?

[shurlock]

In that case why write it at all?

 

Don't get me wrong - a lot of the knobs who spout off about Mandela on social networks are even less informed than some on the mongboard -and exhibit the worst form of evangelical, exhibitionist ignorance.

 

But barring that, is it strange to you that people can have or express an opinion without any ulterior motive or purpose in mind?

[Turkish]

Don't get me wrong - a lot of the knobs who spout off about Mandela on social networks are even less informed than some on the mongboard -and exhibit the worst form of evangelical, exhibitionist ignorance.

 

But barring that, is it strange to you that people can have or express an opinion without any ulterior motive or purpose in mind?

 

They probably even resort to making things up to try and get their point over don't they pal.

[shurlock]

So if an innocent person in London was killed by Islamic extremist carrying violent acts out due to the British army being in afghan , this would be fine because they are part of the system that was benefiting from their army being in afghan, yes?

 

So the British army in Afghanistan is carrying out apartheid? Systematic discrimination, repression and segregation?

 

Wish I had come home earlier if I had known the mongboard was offering this kind of Friday night entertainment.

[Turkish]

So the British army in Afghanistan is carrying out apartheid? Systematic discrimination, repression and segregation?

 

Wish I had come home earlier if I had known the mongboard was offering this kind of Friday night entertainment.

 

The point was clearly about the slaying of innocents.

 

You're not really that dense are you pal. So stop acting it. FFS

[solentstars]

I would have thought the trolls tablets would have kicked in by now.

 

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[Jonnyboy]

So if an innocent person in London was killed by Islamic extremist carrying violent acts out due to the British army being in afghan , this would be fine because they are part of the system that was benefiting from their army being in afghan, yes?

 

 

I dont see that we are benefitting from being there at all.. What a waste of lives, and money and time, and plus making more enemies to boot..

[hypochondriac]

Id do the fukin same if an African country had come over here and enslaved my grandparents and subjected all indigenous folk to near slavery.

 

You bet Id blow a few up. Anyay, these so called "innocents," the adults at least, were all part of this apartheid system, benefiting off the labour and resources of the locals.

 

That's why Martin Luther deserves respect and not Mandela. You sound like the taliban.

Edited 6 December, 2013 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

I dont see that we are benefitting from being there at all.. What a waste of lives, and money and time, and plus making more enemies to boot..

 

I agree totally. However based on what you've just said, if a terrorist protesting against this was to kill innocent people, that would be fine wouldn't it?

[Turkish]

I would have thought the trolls tablets would have kicked in by now.

 

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You've got issues mate, all you've contributed to this thread is moaning about those that don't agree with you.

[Smirking_Saint]

He's already played him, or are you suggesting a sequel? Maybe they could make it a trilogy, releasing the third movie in 2018 in time for the 100th anniversary of his birth.

 

Nelson Iron Mandela. In a world where the human race has been enslaved by a vicious race of super dolphins in wallaces robot trousers there is only one man who can fight for the freedom that everyone deserves.

 

 

[Tamesaint]

Stop feeding the troll he will never answer your question,he will just ask another stupid question. The guys a Muppet. Yes already ruined this thread with his child like behavior.

 

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I notice that he has come back onto this thread. I wonder if he will get round to answering the question. For someone who has so much to say on the subject you would have thought that he would be able to answer the question of what institutional channels existedfor black SAs to change the status quo.

[Jonnyboy]

That's why Martin Luther deserves respect and not Mandela. You sound like the tale ban.

 

I believe the word taleban means student.

 

You sound like a coward. If someone enslaves my Dad or rapes my sister you bet I'm coming after them. That's why Mandela deserves respect because he was a living example of reconciliation, he didn't go after the whites when he came out because forgiveness was more important than to him and to be fair the whites deserve credit for finally going down the right path and being on the right side of history.

[Turkish]

I notice that he has come back onto this thread. I wonder if he will get round to answering the question. For someone who has so much to say on the subject you would have thought that he would be able to answer the question of what institutional channels existedfor black SAs to change the status quo.

 

Nice try, I think you'll find I have and there weren't any, but as I've already said, that doesn't excuse the killing and to truth of innocent people, something a lot of you seem to be ignoring for some reason.

[Tamesaint]

Nice try, I think you'll find I have and there weren't any, but as I've already said, that doesn't excuse the killing and to truth of innocent people, something a lot of you seem to be ignoring for some reason.

 

But it maakes the comparison with the IRA rather invalid.

[Tamesaint]

Nice try, I think you'll find I have and there weren't any, but as I've already said, that doesn't excuse the killing and to truth of innocent people, something a lot of you seem to be ignoring for some reason.

 

When did you answer the question?

[hypochondriac]

I believe the word taleban means student.

 

You sound like a coward. If someone enslaves my Dad or rapes my sister you bet I'm coming after them. That's why Mandela deserves respect because he was a living example of reconciliation, he didn't go after the whites when he came out because forgiveness was more important than to him and to be fair the whites deserve credit for finally going down the right path and being on the right side of history.

 

It was predictive text. Anyone who uses correcting someone's spelling to try and win an argument has already lost.

 

As Turkish says I presume it's OK to advocate violence against the British army or the people of the UK considering some of the atrocities we have committed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[whelk]

Nice try, I think you'll find I have and there weren't any, but as I've already said, that doesn't excuse the killing and to truth of innocent people, something a lot of you seem to be ignoring for some reason.

 

He isn't being championed for that and you know that I guess but you wouldn't get your argument then. I actually agree with much of what you are saying but labouring the point of his past. The key thing is that he became a man of peace. Haven't heard anyone say anything against him (apart from here of course) so must have been a decent genuine sort.

[Sour Mash]

But it maakes the comparison with the IRA rather invalid.

There is still a valid comparison with the IRA, that is pretty clear to see.

[Tamesaint]

He isn't being championed for that and you know that I guess but you wouldn't get your argument then. I actually agree with much of what you are saying but labouring the point of his past. The key thing is that he became a man of peace. Haven't heard anyone say anything against him (apart from here of course) so must have been a decent genuine sort.

 

Nick Griffin came out with some nonsense .... no surprise there I guess.

[Turkish]

When did you answer the question?

 

If you can't comprehend my point that's not my problem pal. I've no wish to repeat myself.

[Turkish]

Nick Griffin came out with some nonsense .... no surprise there I guess.

 

And here we go again......