Saint-Armstrong Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Absolute whack tonight. When we took Wanyama off, we realised how much of an edge we lost from the midfield with just SD and JC in there. Alas, with no Morgan in the midfield Cork looked poor. Lost count of how many headers he shirked. Tidy close passes, but anything with some distance behind it was quite sloppy. Cocked up for the goal by dallying with it too. Just thought I'd add some balance considering the kicking Wanyama gets for a poor game. If he had played as Cork had, he'd have been heavily criticised. I appreciate he's lacked game time but that was really poor, same for Maya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 I wondered whose turn it was to have a scapegoat thread started about him immediately after the game tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 What a drama queen you are!! Cork played well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 In his defence he was put in that position for 2nd by Lovren giving the ball away. But we did miss Wanyama when he went off Morgan was a huge miss too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Thought he generally played well personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Thought he generally played well personally. He was neat and tidy but it wasn't anything more than you should expect as standard as someone who plays in his position. I was really disappointed with his mistake for the goal - its a lack of concentration and composure in an important part of the field and it isn't the first time he's done it this season as he made the same sort of mistake at Sunderland. Maybe it is because he is rusty, but I don't think that is the sort of mistake a rusty player makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 He wasn't too bad but it does at least demonstrate the difference Wanyama makes when he's in the team. Why did he go off, anyway? Feel like I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 His passing chart for the night......sideways, sideways, sideways.... http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695035/player-stats/40145/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Thought he did what was asked of him,him and Yoshi have not got match fitness so you cant expect him to jump in and boss the middle,If anything I thought Lambert was dire tonight but heaven forbid anyone starting a thread on him slating his poor performance.....again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colman1860 Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 I assume Wanyama went off to save him from a yellow card, which would have kept him out of Saturday's match. I didn't notice Cork positively or negatively except for their second goal. Overall though, there shouldn't be too many scapegoat threads today. Villa had three shots on target, and they all went in. None were the keeper's fault. Bit of a fluke overall, with the individual errors coming from players who haven't had much time (Yoshida/Cork). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 His passing chart for the night......sideways, sideways, sideways.... http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695035/player-stats/40145/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor Wanyama. http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695035/player-stats/54756/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 His passing chart for the night......sideways, sideways, sideways.... http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695035/player-stats/40145/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor Doesn't look accurate to me, where are his blazed shots and the mistake that led to the second goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 he has hardly played all season, probably lacking match sharpness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 At fault for the second goal, comfortably 5th choice for that central role. Good for cover though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Thought he did pretty well for someone who came back in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 He was alright, nothing spectacular, but then you're not going to get much more from Jack. He's always been a steady eady type of player (bar that silly error for the 2nd). Can't really moan about having him as a squad player, you wont' get much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 I actually thought Cork looked very confident on the ball and seemed to be key in almost every move going forward. Excellent shift but agreed poor to give the ball away for the second goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Thought he generally played well personally. Have to say I thought Cork played very very well...... Always available and reads the game very well.... I would keep him in personally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 He was ok. Steady. He was what I expect from him. Neat and tidy but never really going to influence a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Played well for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Did alright, but gave the ball away poorly for their 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 I assume Wanyama went off to save him from a yellow card,. He was injured. Limped off at half time and left the ground in a boot on crutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 Cork was as gash as the rest of the team tonight... no need whatsoever to single him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 December, 2013 Share Posted 4 December, 2013 whilst cork is tidy on the ball, i think the loss of wanyama showed up how exposed our back four is without him. villa barely got a touch first half and second half we reverted back to the defensive nightmare of the first half of last season. im not totally sure why yoshida was in for fonte but if it was tactical then fuvck me what a poor decision. overall the best first team pairing in midfield is morgan and wanyama and both with being injured i will dreading saturdays game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Thought he wasn't tough enough for the second goal bit gazza should also have come for it. Other than that he did well, always an option, retaining possesion and dealt well with benteke, think he became his terrier like self again after his mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Cork was as gash as the rest of the team tonight... no need whatsoever to single him out. At least, tow the line of your multiple identities, Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Cork was as gash as the rest of the team tonight... no need whatsoever to single him out. The team played well tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Cork did no worse than anyone else. Actually though he gave us a little bit more urgency on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 He was lacking match sharpness, simple as that. He's a quality player. Same with Maya, people seem to forget that these two players proved themselves last season and are unfortunate to find themselves on the periphery of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 His passing chart for the night......sideways, sideways, sideways.... http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695035/player-stats/40145/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor Not sure what your point is? That's a pretty decent showing for a sub coming on at half time for his first PL action of the season. Looks to me like he is doing in that graphic exactly what he was meant to do? 97% passing rate (probably our highest stat for any player in any game this season). I thought he gave us a bit of tempo at the start of the second half, his ball speed is better than VW's and he got us on the front foot a bit quicker which led to the first equaliser. He was involved in the second goal we conceded, poor decisions/technique/options from Gazza then Shaw then Cork got sacked. We were saying at 1-1 (and us absolutely flying) when are they going to score another goal from a defensive cock-up, sure enough it arrived right on cue! Ridiculous scapegoating of Cork on a couple of threads that I've seen (I haven't read all of it yet, traffic awful last night. got in at 01-45 this morning after dropping my Villa supporting nephew in Horsham, the longest journey, not a happy bunny this morning!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 I'm a massive fan of Cork and think Poch has missed a trick by overlooking him countless times when he would have been the best sub to bring on. However, last night he was certainly below par, with quite a few misplaced and aimless passes. Hardly surprising though, considering how little game time he has had this season. Once he finds his feet and gets up to speed he will be fine. He was sensational last season and he won't have come a bad player overnight. If Wanyama is injured, what a great player to have in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9058517/transfer-news-jack-cork-waiting-to-see-what-southampton-future-holds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 The fella has hardly played this season and then he's expected to come on and play like Messi. Give him a few games to get into the swing and he'll be very useful over the busy Xmas period, where we will need to stretch the squad. He's a good lad and he'll do alright. Criticism for last night is harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stjohn Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 im a fan of big vic but as soon as corky came on, our creativity went up a notch. There was more movement and our play was more dynamic. Wanyamas play is one dimensional but his potential is huge if MP gets him more composed on the ball under pressure and driving through midfield. Thought corky played well and our defence showed versatility. We just got beat by an absolute screamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Not sure what your point is? That's a pretty decent showing for a sub coming on at half time for his first PL action of the season. Looks to me like he is doing in that graphic exactly what he was meant to do? 97% passing rate (probably our highest stat for any player in any game this season). I thought he gave us a bit of tempo at the start of the second half, his ball speed is better than VW's and he got us on the front foot a bit quicker which led to the first equaliser. He was involved in the second goal we conceded, poor decisions/technique/options from Gazza then Shaw then Cork got sacked. We were saying at 1-1 (and us absolutely flying) when are they going to score another goal from a defensive cock-up, sure enough it arrived right on cue! Ridiculous scapegoating of Cork on a couple of threads that I've seen (I haven't read all of it yet, traffic awful last night. got in at 01-45 this morning after dropping my Villa supporting nephew in Horsham, the longest journey, not a happy bunny this morning!) Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Absolute whack tonight. When we took Wanyama off, we realised how much of an edge we lost from the midfield with just SD and JC in there. Alas, with no Morgan in the midfield Cork looked poor. Lost count of how many headers he shirked. Tidy close passes, but anything with some distance behind it was quite sloppy. Cocked up for the goal by dallying with it too. Just thought I'd add some balance considering the kicking Wanyama gets for a poor game. If he had played as Cork had, he'd have been heavily criticised. I appreciate he's lacked game time but that was really poor, same for Maya. Sorry, completely disagree, I thought Cork was very good - switched the play quickly with numerous accurate crossfield passes and effectively when he had the ball and looked a load more confident on the ball than Wanyama had, in a game where we didn't need a defensive midfielder of his type because Villa just launched quick long balls and counterattacks up the wings and the ball was never on the floor in the middle unless we already had it. Unfortunate to get caught on the ball for the second goal, but losing it out on the wing with half a team behind you shouldn't be the problem it became. Yoshida, however, was utter toilet and almost entirely the sole reason we lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Sorry, completely disagree, I thought Cork was very good - switched the play quickly with numerous accurate crossfield passes and effectively when he had the ball and looked a load more confident on the ball than Wanyama had, in a game where we didn't need a defensive midfielder of his type because Villa just launched quick long balls and counterattacks up the wings and the ball was never on the floor in the middle unless we already had it. Unfortunate to get caught on the ball for the second goal, but losing it out on the wing with half a team behind you shouldn't be the problem it became. Yoshida, however, was utter toilet and almost entirely the sole reason we lost. Agree 100% Yoshi was well short as was Gazza but Cork really made us tick... I enjoyed watching him, he has a great sense of where the space is to receive the ball and use it with great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9058517/transfer-news-jack-cork-waiting-to-see-what-southampton-future-holds Would anybody really be against something like £4m for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 He was lacking match sharpness, simple as that. He's a quality player. Same with Maya, people seem to forget that these two players proved themselves last season and are unfortunate to find themselves on the periphery of the squad. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 Absolute whack tonight. When we took Wanyama off, we realised how much of an edge we lost from the midfield with just SD and JC in there. Alas, with no Morgan in the midfield Cork looked poor. Lost count of how many headers he shirked. Tidy close passes, but anything with some distance behind it was quite sloppy. Cocked up for the goal by dallying with it too. Just thought I'd add some balance considering the kicking Wanyama gets for a poor game. If he had played as Cork had, he'd have been heavily criticised. I appreciate he's lacked game time but that was really poor, same for Maya. Not sure what "absolute whack" means, but the comments added make me assume it is not good. Really find it difficult to see where you are coming from unless you are trying to be a Sanchez. Thought Cork was pretty good last night, still have not seen the first 2 goals except in real time at the match but if he was implicated in the 2nd then fair enough, but other than that slotted back into the team and demonstrated what he did so well last season. His stats on 442 show how good he actually was, the only time his passes went astray are when he gets near the penalty area, we all know his shooting is gash, always has been, probably the reason why he has lost out to VW and Spiderman in the choice for the two DM positions, because otherwise there is not much to choose. Recall that it was his return from injury last season that coincided with our tightening up in defence, so strange to see comments about us going back to the old ways when he is introduced. For someone making his 5th PL sub appearance of the season I think he was actually very good. In general we actually played well last night, apart from 3 attacks, actually limiting a team to 6 attacks in total is really top drawer stuff (3 goals, 2 corners and one blaze over the top from Benteke). Yoshi was at fault, but as they said on MOTD or Sky can't recall which, he was undone by the first goal by a supreme piece of skill by the little fat Gabby. In the end though it was a mistake, compounded by a terrible attempt at a tackle by Lovren and poor positioning by Gazza. Strange really that if one wants to find a scapegoat for last night (which I don't) one glaring example would be Lovren, who really was very poor by his usual high standards. But then no-one dares criticise DL. His clearances were often out of the Kelvin Davis "How to kick for touch" manual, his tackling was poor (again by high standards). I still believe he is made to look better by Fonte who has been first class this season but gets no credit. Really concerned at the injuries that we picked up last night. Wanyama leaving on crutches, Clyne going off, Lovren appeared to get a nasty crack to the head, although he carried on, Shaw was definitely struggling for last 15 minutes (even before the awful tackle). Did we really go 3 at the back, or was it just that Shaw could not run back to help in defence. I guess he was cramping up but looked to be in serious trouble. I also believe Fonte was rested and was only going to be played in an emergency, suggests he is not fully fit. Does anyone really know when KD might be back? He was in training pics last week s can't be too bad, I don't think in hindsight Gazza did much wrong last night but would rather have some experience between the sticks for Saturday. Lallana was great last night, especially first half, sometimes he is just too good for the rest of the team. Lambert was very poor, apart from the brilliant assist for Ossie's goal. Ossie was pretty good, though he could have done better with one shot after he did so well to make space for the shot. Thought Davis played a blinder, he really is all-action and did not stop running, whichever position he was playing. Sorry for the ramble, no more posts left today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 December, 2013 Share Posted 5 December, 2013 I mentioned earlier that Lovren looked like a malfunctioning robot last night, but that I blame Yoshida for that too, as he was having to do twice as much work. I actually think he may have had a concussion, which will make him doubtful for Saturday, but we'll see. Absolutely did not see any skill by Agbonlahor to beat Yoshida for the first goal, it was just him getting pulled ridiculously out of position, getting rolled on the turn and completely failing to position himself where he could defend the pass or influence play after that. I thought Lovren's dive in was actually a very good attempt at surprising the striker, knowing that he was screwed if he stayed on his feet, as it would give Agbonlahor enough time to play a square pass to an unmarked player. He clearly went for a slide tackle-cum-block and tried to get enough on it to put the ball off the pitch without risking a red card for bringing the player down. But he was put in a no-win situation, it was a miracle he got the chance to get a tackle in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 He was superb today, my MOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 My mom too. Superb performance. Outplayed toure two years in a row. Shows how good his attitude is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 I mentioned earlier that Lovren looked like a malfunctioning robot last night, but that I blame Yoshida for that too, as he was having to do twice as much work. I actually think he may have had a concussion, which will make him doubtful for Saturday, but we'll see. Absolutely did not see any skill by Agbonlahor to beat Yoshida for the first goal, it was just him getting pulled ridiculously out of position, getting rolled on the turn and completely failing to position himself where he could defend the pass or influence play after that. I thought Lovren's dive in was actually a very good attempt at surprising the striker, knowing that he was screwed if he stayed on his feet, as it would give Agbonlahor enough time to play a square pass to an unmarked player. He clearly went for a slide tackle-cum-block and tried to get enough on it to put the ball off the pitch without risking a red card for bringing the player down. But he was put in a no-win situation, it was a miracle he got the chance to get a tackle in. Absolutely speechless. That is just rubbish. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 Absolute whack tonight. Alas, with no Morgan in the midfield Cork looked poor. ...sideways, sideways, sideways.... My mom too. Superb performance. Outplayed toure two years in a row. Shows how good his attitude is. Great player my motm too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 Today he epitomised what you want in a Saints player, pull on the shirt and take their chance with aplomb, and create a nice headache for the Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 MotM for me too based on his defensive work and off the ball running, I agree. When we have the ball and are looking to attack though? Best not to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 7 December, 2013 Share Posted 7 December, 2013 Man of the Match without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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