jimbojones10 Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Apparently K.D is close to being fully fit and if that's the case I'd pick him every time over Gazza. Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Charge of the light brigade? Catapult or bow and arrow? My point is it will make little difference really as both have their + and -, Davies for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Me too, not as good as Boruc, but better than Gazza. I fear though that the first goal that goes in against him will lead to meltdown on SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 KD for me, but i would like Boruc back asap. Kelvin has been a fantastic keeper for us, but no doubt his age will be starting to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazzaniga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 No point playing Davis, has shown time and time again that he is not up to it at this level. At least Gazza has age on his side and is more agile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 I think Gazza has a chance to prove us wrong, he was in last year at a time where we had a very dodgy defence and had shipped an awful lot of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 2 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2013 No point playing Davis, has shown time and time again that he is not up to it at this level. At least Gazza has age on his side and is more agile Davis right now is better then gazza, so therefore davis should play. Gazza went down in instalments for the third goal yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazzaniga for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 We are building for the future. KD is not the future. Gazza COULD be. I hate myself for this but I'd pick Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Whoever MP thinks is better and chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Davis right now is better then gazza, so therefore davis should play. Gazza went down in instalments for the third goal yesterday not sure that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Neither of them are anywhere near good enough for this level. No doubt the first goal Kelvin concedes will be at his near post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Davis as I'm not retarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Is neither an option ?? Neither controls the area well enough for the PL, for me it's Hobson's choice and thus just doesn't matter which one gets the nod, both will be disastrously shyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Shilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Davis as I'm not retarded Really! But then this forum is all about opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza. Boruc's injury has presented him with a chance for him to prove himself and for the management to take another look at him since the debacle last season. We are not in a relegation fight and are definitely not going to be challenging for the title/champions league spot anytime soon, so you can say the points against the likes of city and spurs in the next few weeks are not entirely crucial. best case scenario, we find a gem of a keeper (ala shaw after fox's injury) or worst case we confirm gazza's not up to it and look to move him on eventually and continue the search for next understudy to boruc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 (edited) No point playing Davis, has shown time and time again that he is not up to it at this level. At least Gazza has age on his side and is more agile really ? ....don't think we can be talking about the same person. To me ..he looks embarrassingly slow, compared to the other two. ... and sorry but I don't consider that youth is an advantage when we're talking about keepers..(even Joe Hart). The numbers of good /v. good goalies I've watched in the last 50+ years could be reckoned on the fingers of two hands...... and the very best keepers have been 30+ ...an a bit more. Edited 2 December, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 We are building for the future. KD is not the future. Gazza COULD be. I hate myself for this but I'd pick Gazza. FUTURE?......FUTURE? .....we're not really talking about anything longer than 6 weeks - are we Phil ? I think KD is the better bet. Gazzaniga makes me nervous just watching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 FUTURE?......FUTURE? .....we're not really talking about anything longer than 6 weeks - are we Phil ? I think KD is the better bet. Gazzaniga makes me nervous just watching him. I'd even pick Cropper, can't be any worse than Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 really ? ....don't think we can be talking about the same person. To me ..he looks embarrassingly slow, compared to the other two. ... and sorry but I don't consider that youth is an advantage when we're talking about keepers..(even Joe Hart). The numbers of good /v. good goalies I've watched in the last 50+ years could be reckoned on the fingers of two hands...... and the very best keepers have been 30+ ...an a bit more. Agree with the sentiment but Davis is not one of those 30+ keepers who is getting better with age. In the opening games of the season last year he looked short and round and was getting beat by shots quite central where he got nowhere near them. Davis has done appallingly bad with Sunderland and us in the prem. I'm not saying that Gazza is a whole load better but at least he has the capacity to improve, Davis is on a downward slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Can someone remind me what Gazza has done wrong for this lack of confidence on here? I thought Gazza was very good in goal last season. Do people forget saves like the one against Newcastle? Stats from 12/13: Played 9 Won 3 Drew 3 Lost 3 Conceded 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza looks a complete liability to me, as soon as boruc went off yesterday our entire defense looked all at sea it was quite shocking. you also get the feeling nearly any attempt on goal will result in a goal, so i guess il say davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza looks a complete liability to me, as soon as boruc went off yesterday our entire defense looked all at sea it was quite shocking. you also get the feeling nearly any attempt on goal will result in a goal, so i guess il say davis And of course that was all because Boruc was in goal. Nothing to do with the fact Chelsea put two up front and opened up our defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Sad thing is I have no strong feelings on the subject either way which suggests to me that both are as equally as bad as each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 2 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Can someone remind me what Gazza has done wrong for this lack of confidence on here? I thought Gazza was very good in goal last season. Do people forget saves like the one against Newcastle? Stats from 12/13: Played 9 Won 3 Drew 3 Lost 3 Conceded 12 Did you watch last season? he was at fault for many goals, including an absolute howler against norwich. I remember a soccer saturday where le tissier was talking about how he had cost saints 7-9 points in the games he played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Did you watch last season? he was at fault for many goals, including an absolute howler against norwich. I remember a soccer saturday where le tissier was talking about how he had cost saints 7-9 points in the games he played We didn't do any better with Davis though. Did we win any games with Davis in goal last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Agree with the sentiment but Davis is not one of those 30+ keepers who is getting better with age. In the opening games of the season last year he looked short and round and was getting beat by shots quite central where he got nowhere near them. Davis has done appallingly bad with Sunderland and us in the prem. I'm not saying that Gazza is a whole load better but at least he has the capacity to improve, Davis is on a downward slide.people are saying Gazza did badly because of the defence in front of him,but then conveniently forget KD had a defence that was in a worse state and not a unit. Jos had given away a series of soft penalties and Yoshida was trying to adapt to the new league. We are where we are now due to the brilliance of KD and RL over the seasons gone. The nonsense about KD at Sunderland is a myth as they went down because they were really poor and KD was the fall guy yet again. If you are gaugeing opinon of Sunderland fans from a Forum you only have to look on here to see how little you can take from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Davis for his experience, Gazza to give him experience. I actually didnt think Gazza was that awful last season - a few stupid mistakes, but with a lot more time with the group, a better group around him, and a year older, I'm confident that he will do ok if picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 We didn't do any better with Davis though. Did we win any games with Davis in goal last year? ? Look at the games he played in, add to that bizarre substitutions when we were in winning positions by Adkins. KD always has been the fall guy by some on here, they disappear when he was gaining us points but slide out of the shadows when he made a mistake (DT is exempt as he always slagged him off). KD was man of match on a large slice of the seasons gone by, and especially at the away games. i accept he is not likely to be on the top of his game but he is still a decent keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 We're doomed, I tell you, we're doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 ? Look at the games he played in, add to that bizarre substitutions when we were in winning positions by Adkins. KD always has been the fall guy by some on here, they disappear when he was gaining us points but slide out of the shadows when he made a mistake (DT is exempt as he always slagged him off). KD was man of match on a large slice of the seasons gone by, and especially at the away games. i accept he is not likely to be on the top of his game but he is still a decent keeper. If we are going by past glories in the lower leagues, there have been a whole host of players who were great for us but not what was required in the prem. Davis is no different IMO, great servant and deserves his contract and role as club captain but his ability at this level is way off from what it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 quoting gone a bit weird. My most recent reply to you Nick is in bold above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 quoting gone a bit weird. same for me, obviously the computer doesnt like either of our views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza is miles better with the ball at his feet which counts for a lot in our style. However, Davis more reliable in terms of you know he won't get to some shots that a PL keeper should, but he is less likely than Gazza to suddenly make a horrendous error. Very tough decision. Probably, on the basis of experience, nerve etc you would go with Davis, but I fully understand why some would also pick Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazza is miles better with the ball at his feet which counts for a lot in our style. However, Davis more reliable in terms of you know he won't get to some shots that a PL keeper should, but he is less likely than Gazza to suddenly make a horrendous error. Very tough decision. Probably, on the basis of experience, nerve etc you would go with Davis, but I fully understand why some would also pick Gazza. A tough decision indeed, pick one out of two bad keepers. Toss a coin, both will let us down equally badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 (edited) A tough decision indeed, pick one out of two bad keepers. Toss a coin, both will let us down equally badly. That is the harsh reality of it. The PL is a ruthless league where weakness is exploited. Nothing against either of the two guys. Kelvin has had a great career and Gazza may well have a very good one himself and has loads of potential. But very few 21 years old keepers starting in the PL. Edited 2 December, 2013 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Gazzaniga for me. Davis is only in the team for his off-pitch role, I don't think he would excel at anything higher than L1 right now. Aged quite badly for a keeper to be honest... Paulo is our best bet and deserves his chance to prove that he is progressing. However, we should be warned that he is still 21, and most keepers won't really be at their top until they're closing in on 25/26 years of age, so we shouldn't write him off if thing don't go too well. However, the coaching staff have shown a lot of efficiency given the low number of muscle injuries we've had, as well as in the resolution of the massive impact any slight changes in defense had, Boruc's fitness and form are also at a high despite injury and mental spasms so I trust Gazzaniga will have changed for the best too. When keepers are so young you need to forget the level of their performances and look at what they've done really well. I remember everyone praising his distribution when he came to the scene, as well as great saves against Fulham and Newcastle. The potential is there, and maybe for a club where it's best academy offspring usually tears everything apart only a few months after their debut it's difficult to have that patience, but we must have. In any case, Cropper doesn't really seem to be in the picture otherwise he would've got a call to the first team at some stage in the last two years. What about that guy from Northern Ireland? He was playing at senior level from an early age, so he might have something in him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 FUTURE?......FUTURE? .....we're not really talking about anything longer than 6 weeks - are we Phil ? I think KD is the better bet. Gazzaniga makes me nervous just watching him. Our entire CULTURE is now about the future, or did you miss the 24mil investment in the Academy and training facilities? The "Football Management Machine" decided Gazza was better cover than anything else they could find in the summer, and probably they couldn't find anyone better than Boruc. So IF they thought Gazza was good enough, IF they saw something in him, then in 2 or 3 years when Boruc is moving on or losing it, they believe we COULD have a replacement already in the ranks (Gazza or Cropper) With an eye to the club culture you have to play Gazza now. 6 weeks to prove he is as good as everyone thought If Gazza is as sh1t as some on here fear then someone should get fired for NOT bringing in back-up we needed in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 gotta be davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 With Kelvin out injured this question has become moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 No point playing Davis, has shown time and time again that he is not up to it at this level. At least Gazza has age on his side and is more agile This, Gazzanigas kicking is a lot better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 The one Poch chooses having not observed either of them recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 I think Gazzaniga's badl points were, for some reason, held against him disproportionately. At the start of last season all three keepers were making a lot of mistakes, being swapped too often and the defence was a mess. Davis started the ball rolling and perhaps his mistakes led to insecurity in the defence. Then Gazzaniga's, a comparatively inexperienced keeper was brought in at the top level behind a defence that was already riddled with insecurity and poor organisation. It went badly. then Boruc came in and was also very wobbly, I remember some embarrassing wobbles. For some reason, probably his history, he was forgiven for being rubbish by a large section of the support though, while Gazzaniga was written off already. eventually Boruc was given the run he needed to find his form again and the rest is history, but Gazzaniga has been away from the first team since then and never forgiven for his mistakes. as far as I can see, Gazzaniga may well turn out to be poor, but we haven't seen a enough to make a fair judgement. Davis has never seemed able to cope with this level, so I'd give Gazzaniga a chance. It might not work out, but I just don't trust kelvin and the jury's still out on Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 If Gazzaniga was considered to be of any use at all he'd have replaced KD on our bench this season. He hasn't so that tends to indicate to me that the coaching staff have no confidence in him whatsover. He looked totally lost when he came on on Sunday and if we have to play him for the next matches I can see some howlers on the horizon. If he plays against Citeh I'd go and dump a big sum on a tsunami of goals conceded by Saints, say 7 or 8. A truly woeful player, should be in League 1 or 2 where he belongs, trouble is we probably pay him far too much for him to be of any interest to a lower league side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 If Gazzaniga was considered to be of any use at all he'd have replaced KD on our bench this season. He hasn't so that tends to indicate to me that the coaching staff have no confidence in him whatsover. He looked totally lost when he came on on Sunday and if we have to play him for the next matches I can see some howlers on the horizon. If he plays against Citeh I'd go and dump a big sum on a tsunami of goals conceded by Saints, say 7 or 8. A truly woeful player, should be in League 1 or 2 where he belongs, trouble is we probably pay him far too much for him to be of any interest to a lower league side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 As above spin of the coin. Over to you MP and staff. Push to shove...I would now go for Gazza as KD has been injured...... Yes ....Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 If Kelvin is fit - or even nearly fit - then he'll start. It's pretty obvious really. I see plenty of wishful thinking - and not a few excuses - on here from those who favour Gazzaniga, but if you really believe the manager shares in that view then please tell me why is it then that Kelvin has been our recognized second choice keeper all season? I don't suppose many on here will think this is anything close to being a ideal situation, but the truth is Davis is still ahead of Gazzaniga ... and rightly so methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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