Roger Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Sheff weds fans saying he's worst manager ever. Never really thought he was great for us and hasn't panned out that well in terms if achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 He does seem to have lost his way somewhat of late. Did a good job at wolves. Did okay with us at first but in truth he could well have been sacked for the results we were getting at the time those allegations came about. Had a lot of experienced players who would no doubt have been on big wages by our standards then and not many of them delivered much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Terrible manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 He is more than capable of getting Wednesday in or around the play offs but not much more. Can't quite see what has gone wrong for him at hillsborough. Has made some very astute signings / loans and then does not play them... ....trouble is Wednesday are still paying megson so can't really afford to sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Not our best manager but wasn't the worst either. His policy of signing older, experienced players did OK for us in the late 90's but it's what has got Fulham into trouble this year so it's a risky strategy. Was it Jones that signed Pahars? I suppose he got some things right. I take it Antonio isn't quite the player we thought he was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Sheff weds fans saying he's worst manager ever. Never really thought he was great for us and hasn't panned out that well in terms if achievements. Stupid really, they werer crap when he took over in league 1, got promoted, no budget and still they moan, yet he is a proven to be solid manager at these levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 (edited) Not our best manager but wasn't the worst either. His policy of signing older, experienced players did OK for us in the late 90's but it's what has got Fulham into trouble this year so it's a risky strategy. Was it Jones that signed Pahars? I suppose he got some things right. I take it Antonio isn't quite the player we thought he was... I think Pahars was more down to Terry Cooper (I think that was his name) who was our European scout at the time. Dave Jones signings weren't great to be honest. Stuart Ripley, Mark Hughes, David Howells, Jon Beresford, Thirsty Hirsty, Luis Boa Morte, none of them really delivered for the reputations they had and wages they were on. As well as signing two of the worst players I've seen in a saints shirt, Scott Marshall and Lee Todd and a strange signing in Paul jones. Although to give his due he did bring Dean Richards, James Beattie, Chris Marsden and Hassan Kachloul to the club who were excellent signings for the money paid out. As for Antonio, I did say he was no better than a championship player when some were insisting we had to sign him and he was a potential world beater. He fits the pacey wideman some are obsessed by. Edited 30 November, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I think Pahars was more down to Terry Cooper (I think that was his name) who was our European scout at the time. Dave Jones signings weren't great to be honest. Stuart Ripley, Mark Hughes, David Howells, Jon Beresford, Thirsty Hirsty, Luis Boa Morte, none of them really delivered for the reputations they had and wages they were on. As well as signing two of the worst players I've seen in a saints shirt, Scott Marshall and Lee Todd and a strange signing in Paul jones. Although to give his due he did bring Dean Richards, James Beattie, Chris Marsden and Hassan Kachloul to the club who were excellent signings for the money paid out. As for Antonio, I did say he was no better than a championship player when some were insisting we had to sign him and he was a potential world beater. He fits the pacey wideman some are obsessed by. I think Jones can take credit for Pahars - pretty sure it came through his close friendship with Gary Johnson who was Latvia boss at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I think Jones can take credit for Pahars - pretty sure it came through his close friendship with Gary Johnson who was Latvia boss at the time. Ahh fair enough, didn't realise that. Just didn't seem like one of his type of signings. Still none the wiser what Terry cooper did for us then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Regularly underachieved with a very good Championship Cardiff squad as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Ying and Yang Marian Pahars - Lee Todd I think Cardiff City sum him up, in the running to get to the top flight but just repeatedly fell short: Malky MacKay bang job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Lee Todd. I can still see now how the ball was continually chipped over his head as forwards got in behind him with such ease. Still brings me out in a cold sweat thinking about his lack of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Lee Todd. I can still see now how the ball was continually chipped over his head as forwards got in behind him with such ease. Still brings me out in a cold sweat thinking about his lack of ability. Scott Marshall was the one for me, he was even worse. I remember he was considered something of a coup when we got him from arsenal, a promising centre half who wasn't good enough for arsenal but would be great for us, a bit of a 90s Matthew Upson, he played twice, scored two own goals and I think we conceded 7 or 8 goals in those two games. hink he ended up at brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I think Pahars was more down to Terry Cooper (I think that was his name) who was our European scout at the time. Dave Jones signings weren't great to be honest. Stuart Ripley, Mark Hughes, David Howells, Jon Beresford, Thirsty Hirsty, Luis Boa Morte, none of them really delivered for the reputations they had and wages they were on. As well as signing two of the worst players I've seen in a saints shirt, Scott Marshall and Lee Todd and a strange signing in Paul jones. Although to give his due he did bring Dean Richards, James Beattie, Chris Marsden and Hassan Kachloul to the club who were excellent signings for the money paid out. As for Antonio, I did say he was no better than a championship player when some were insisting we had to sign him and he was a potential world beater. He fits the pacey wideman some are obsessed by. Paul Jones played for him at Stockport and Dave Jones had promised him that if he ever made it to the top he would take him with him. We paid £1m for him and sold Maik Taylor for £800k, who I though was a better keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Scott Marshall was the one for me, he was even worse. I remember he was considered something of a coup when we got him from arsenal, a promising centre half who wasn't good enough for arsenal but would be great for us, a bit of a 90s Matthew Upson, he played twice, scored two own goals and I think we conceded 7 or 8 goals in those two games. hink he ended up at brentford. Oh bloody hell, I forgot all about him, yeah you are right he probably was worse, and that's quite an achievement ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Paul Jones played for him at Stockport and Dave Jones had promised him that if he ever made it to the top he would take him with him. We paid £1m for him and sold Maik Taylor for £800k, who I though was a better keeper. Yeah that's what I mean by it being an odd one. We'd signed Taylor the season before and he was a much better keeper IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Paul Jones first season was a great shot stopper, (put us out of the League cup v Stockport almost singlehandedly) second season his weakness was discovered. Took a very warm conversation in the local Offy between me and David Coles (the then goalkeeping coach), who lived down the road from me, pointing out the bleeding obvious every striker in the prem to that point had been taking advantage of!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Seems to have been at Wednesday for ages whilst being consistently poor. Not quite sure how he has managed to keep his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 I always found him too dour and thus I would think it would be difficult to motivate players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Paul Jones played for him at Stockport and Dave Jones had promised him that if he ever made it to the top he would take him with him. We paid £1m for him and sold Maik Taylor for £800k, who I though was a better keeper. Dreadful decision to make that change in my view. I always found him too dour and thus I would think it would be difficult to motivate players. Very monotone, although overtaken by Mick McCarthy as one of the worst voices in football management. Jones was an average manager at his prime, with one good season with us as his pinnacle really. Although everyone felt sorry for him with the accusations made, I always felt that background kept him in a job at Saints longer than he should have been, based on results and performances that season. Wish him well at whatever club he manages, but doubt we'll see him in the Premiership again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd he's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd he's gone Was it something we said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcrowe Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Dave Jones kept struggling Southampton in the premiership in the Dell days when there wasn't anything like as much money flowing from TV (with a lot of help from MLT). In those days survival was success for us and he was doing OK until those dreadful allegations of child abuse became a distraction - and who wouldn't be distracted. Remember that the case had been dragging on for over a year and he'd been managing the side throughout before he was given gardening leave. He might have been inexpressive but in a droll scouser way. I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Dave Jones kept struggling Southampton in the premiership in the Dell days when there wasn't anything like as much money flowing from TV (with a lot of help from MLT). In those days survival was success for us and he was doing OK until those dreadful allegations of child abuse became a distraction - and who wouldn't be distracted. Remember that the case had been dragging on for over a year and he'd been managing the side throughout before he was given gardening leave. He might have been inexpressive but in a droll scouser way. I wish him well. I don't think he was, he did okay at the start but if truth be told the team was struggling and he could well have been sacked for results. Hoddle came in and improved the team considerably using the same players. I will always wish him well due to what he went through but let's not kid ourselves he was doing a great job at the time he parted company with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcrowe Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 I think we agree Turkish, but wonder what might have been if he didn't have a year of Police investigations to deal with. I think the gardening leave was a sensitive solution given the case was dragging on. You're right that Hoddle was a better manager though in his short time with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Kaiser Soze . You got a good lawyer . He was totally exonerated . Read the judges summing up uo that case . Your either totally thick posting that or some kind of sick wind up merchant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Takes one to know one eh? Let's cut out all the nonse-sense! (see what I did?) the man was found innocent of all charges so technically Kaiser Soze, that's libel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Let's cut out all the nonse-sense! (see what I did?) the man was found innocent of all charges so technically Kaiser Soze, that's libel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Lee Todd is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt. And him and Marshall summed up jones time here. God we had some **** managers then. Jones, sourness and merrington. All terrible managers kept in a job by le Tiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Lee Todd is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt. And him and Marshall summed up jones time here. God we had some **** managers then. Jones, sourness and merrington. All terrible managers kept in a job by le Tiss I don't agree with you about merrimgton. He kept us up with no money to aeons with a under par le tiss that year. Scores only 2 from open play. Sourness at times had us playing great stuff especially towards end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 I don't agree with you about merrimgton. He kept us up with no money to aeons with a under par le tiss that year. Scores only 2 from open play. Sourness at times had us playing great stuff especially towards end of season. If nothing else, Souness gave us that wonderful 6-3 hammering of Man U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 I don't agree with you about merrimgton. He kept us up with no money to aeons with a under par le tiss that year. Scores only 2 from open play. Sourness at times had us playing great stuff especially towards end of season. Merrington loves the club and was incredibly for our youth set up, but lets not pretend he was a good manager, he wasn't. The football he played was dour and from a different age. Souness again had us playing terrible football, but effective to keep us up, and hardly signed well. There's a reason both didn't last and as much as you can go in for nostalgia they were crap. By way of comparison think of the quality we had under Nicholl, Hoddle (yup hoddle) and Strachan. We actually played attractive football, beat good sides consistently and looked a real team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 He might have sounded convincing at his interview, but making the dressing room buzz every match is something else. I think he's probably a nice fella' , but I know several other people who sound good and talk good tactics, but would never make a football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Not our best manager but wasn't the worst either. His policy of signing older, experienced players did OK for us in the late 90's but it's what has got Fulham into trouble this year so it's a risky strategy. Was it Jones that signed Pahars? I suppose he got some things right. I take it Antonio isn't quite the player we thought he was... Agree with this - he took us as far as he could - just very unfortunate it coincided with the false accusations against hiim. I thought he was a decent bloke and actually have been surprised that he didn't achieve more after Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdearlove Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 I laughed when I saw Stuart Gray has taken over. Just needed a Hoddle in there somewhere and we were back in the early 2000s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 December, 2013 Share Posted 2 December, 2013 If nothing else, Souness gave us that wonderful 6-3 hammering of Man U. The signings of Lundekvam, Ostenstadt and Berkovic helped too. If anything, with those three on board, I still think we underachieved that season. It's still one of my favourite seasons in memory though, until Mr Liebherr bought us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2013 Merrington loves the club and was incredibly for our youth set up, but lets not pretend he was a good manager, he wasn't. The football he played was dour and from a different age. Souness again had us playing terrible football, but effective to keep us up, and hardly signed well. There's a reason both didn't last and as much as you can go in for nostalgia they were crap. By way of comparison think of the quality we had under Nicholl, Hoddle (yup hoddle) and Strachan. We actually played attractive football, beat good sides consistently and looked a real team. Sorry rubbish about souness. We played great football at times. End of season we were on fire. Don't test me on history of saints mate. Signings were great too. Berkovic class and ostenstad and Claus and Kevin Davies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 Sorry rubbish about souness. We played great football at times. End of season we were on fire. Don't test me on history of saints mate. Signings were great too. Berkovic class and ostenstad and Claus and Kevin Davies. Without Killer, I never rated Claus; Berkovic had the potential to be a great player if he wasn't such a b3llend and well, what a great bit of business Davies was! (virtually nothing from Chesterfield, sold for top money to Blackburn....still didn't make up for them ripping the heart out of our squad and winning a championship with it.....and then buying him back for virtually nothing), Plus, has everyone forgot that mountain that was Van Gobbel!!......what a beast he was....so Cantona found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 Sorry rubbish about souness. We played great football at times. End of season we were on fire. Don't test me on history of saints mate. Signings were great too. Berkovic class and ostenstad and Claus and Kevin Davies. Dave Jones said about Blackburn signing Kevin Davies, it went along the lines of being sat in his office when the phone rang the chap on the other end said Blackburn Rovers here we are interested in signing Kevin Davies from you and are offering £7.5m, Jones said that he nearly fell off his chair at the offer and thought Kevin was a young lad and worth nowhere near the £7.5m that had just been placed on the table!! It was rude to refuse. Still a tidy bit of business £750k buying him from Chesterfield then flogging him to Blackburn and James Beattie coming the other way as part of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 Sorry rubbish about souness. We played great football at times. End of season we were on fire. Don't test me on history of saints mate. Signings were great too. Berkovic class and ostenstad and Claus and Kevin Davies. Not testing you, that's an incredibly strange way of looking at it, just calling it as I did then. I thought we weren't good under souness. A view that wasn't massively popular at the time either. I for one was glad when he went as I felt he was pedestrian as a manager. Of course we had some good games under him but he just didn't do anything particularly special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 Dave Jones said about Blackburn signing Kevin Davies, it went along the lines of being sat in his office when the phone rang the chap on the other end said Blackburn Rovers here we are interested in signing Kevin Davies from you and are offering £7.5m, Jones said that he nearly fell off his chair at the offer and thought Kevin was a young lad and worth nowhere near the £7.5m that had just been placed on the table!! It was rude to refuse. Still a tidy bit of business £750k buying him from Chesterfield then flogging him to Blackburn and James Beattie coming the other way as part of the deal. Dave Jones gave a talk to our referees society and mentioned Kevin Davies. He said that there was a board meeting or something and Kevin was invited in. They asked him non-committedly whether he wanted the move or not. When he said yes they all jumped up in the air shouting yippee! They had been hiding their crossed fingers until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 Seems to happen to nearly all managers, I think they get burned out by the repetition, become left behind by changes in tactics to counter their usual methods and just fade away. He did a hell of a job getting Wolves up, but there was some comedy-level chokery for Cardiff and Wolves in amongst his successes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 3 December, 2013 Share Posted 3 December, 2013 wasnt Mark Paul one of his future stars ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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