KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 They do in a footballing City like Liverpool yes they do, the South Coast is not a footballing hotbed. I almost feel bad talking to you. The fans cannot affect what the yanks at Anfield or Kenright does at Goodison. Those protests for Kenright to go for all those years did what exactly Baz? Keep clutching at them straws bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 You're right. We couldn't possibly go to Anfield and win... ever. No chance we will finish above Spurs this season, none... A great result have nothing to do with anything here, what about the Norwich game, is that relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 No I am not suggesting anything, I prefer proof, you wont find many Everton fans talking about Champions League and they are far more likely to get it than we are, that tells you something. Look at the table compared to this time last season, I haven't but I would bet anything we are a lot closer in points and position to then - hence closing the gap. Christ this is so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I agree with the ambition, our fans seizing upon it seems to imply they think other clubs dont harbour the same thing, that lack of knowledge or ignorance if you will worries me as those clubs have done it before, have huge budgets and have a huge fan base, so sorry for me being pessimistic but why should I believe? I suspect we've already exceeded your expectations from when this little project started at the bottom of League 1. If you don't want to believe that we can go higher, that's fine, but considering the wave of optimism we've been on for the last few years, as well as the fact we seem to have tapped into a different, better, way of doing things than most other clubs, you really shouldn't be surprised that other people think we might just be able to do something awesome here. Maybe we won't make it, and we'll drop back in future, but that's no reason for you to try and constantly, repeatedly, belittle other people's optimism now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Us closing the gap on them will not be proved until the end of the season, not before, spending money is all well and good but you have to spend good, we have not, Ramirez and Osvaldo are not playing so near £30 Million is to waste straight away. Forren and Mayuka well thats another £7 Million, we have not done very well at all. So Everton has done good cause they got money when players left, but still all our outlays are wasted.... I suppose you by that mean that we wont get a penny back if player leave us for other clubs, cause that´s the only way your asumption would be true...?? From those players mentioned we (or at least the club) only know the cost in the case of Forren, all the others are still Southampton players.... It´s very simple. Coming up to PL with pretty much an Championship squad will force you to spend money the first 2-3 years to stay up. If you do stay up the value of your squad will rise and then you will much easier have less net spend when you´re switching players in your squad. And when you buy a player for £15m (or whatever) it is not a financial cost in your books of £15m. You dont know your net cost until the player leaves the club, until then they´re in your books as an assett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I almost feel bad talking to you. The fans cannot affect what the yanks at Anfield or Kenright does at Goodison. Those protests for Kenright to go for all those years did what exactly Baz? Keep clutching at them straws bud. The fans got the Americans out, the fans at Everton changed their mickey mouse badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I am not the one resorting to petty insults, does your blind faith extend to a belief in God, the tooth fairies? I hope it does. hahahahah... Just how fricken stupid are you? This has nothing to do with faith, blind or otherwise- as no one is saying it Will happen, just that given the strategy, it's possible. The odds are stacked against it, which is what makes it even more interesting. Insults... Too right... Like a bad dose of the clap, you keep coming back to try your wind ups... You were even funnier spouting bigoted EDL crap before.... Just a moron, who has feck all real fun in life, if getting off on summing here floats your boat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I suspect we've already exceeded your expectations from when this little project started at the bottom of League 1. If you don't want to believe that we can go higher, that's fine, but considering the wave of optimism we've been on for the last few years, as well as the fact we seem to have tapped into a different, better, way of doing things than most other clubs, you really shouldn't be surprised that other people think we might just be able to do something awesome here. Maybe we won't make it, and we'll drop back in future, but that's no reason for you to try and constantly, repeatedly, belittle other people's optimism now. Nor my belief in the fact this is based upon hope with no actual proof of anything, realism its called. I applaud others wave of blind faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 hahahahah... Just how fricken stupid are you? This has nothing to do with faith' date=' blind or otherwise- as no one is saying it Will happen, just that given the strategy, it's possible. The odds are stacked against it, which is what makes it even more interesting. Insults... Too right... Like a bad dose of the clap, you keep coming back to try your wind ups... You were even funnier spouting bigoted EDL crap before.... Just a moron, who has feck all real fun in life, if getting off on summing here floats your boat....[/quote'] EDL? Are you Renton, I see you live in Scotland? And fricken what is that all about my child, do you long for upstate NY but settled for some random settlement in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I suspect we've already exceeded your expectations from when this little project started at the bottom of League 1. If you don't want to believe that we can go higher, that's fine, but considering the wave of optimism we've been on for the last few years, as well as the fact we seem to have tapped into a different, better, way of doing things than most other clubs, you really shouldn't be surprised that other people think we might just be able to do something awesome here. Maybe we won't make it, and we'll drop back in future, but that's no reason for you to try and constantly, repeatedly, belittle other people's optimism now. That's good modding, mod. Credit where it's due. That article was v.interesting tho I thought. I didn't think there was anything new to learn cos of all the hundreds articles we had this month! All the stuff cortese has us doing seem to border on OCD. I doubt most of it is useful in itself, but I spose it's good policy to have a culture of discipline that goes to such extremes. Can't see players sloping off for a sly cheeseburger under this kind of regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2202043/Guly-Do-Prado-banned-driving.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 The fans got the Americans out, the fans at Everton changed their mickey mouse badge. Lol the badge, that will stop us competing with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Lol the badge, that will stop us competing with them! Who said it would? It was an example of the fans getting their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Also the yanks fell out with each other, because they ****ed away too much dollar on Rafa. Not the fans. Just like United can't get rid of their yanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Who said it would? It was an example of the fans getting their way. How will they change what they have been trying to change for years, Kenrights lack of funds to push them on to where they want to be - the champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 No I am not suggesting anything, I prefer proof, you wont find many Everton fans talking about Champions League and they are far more likely to get it than we are, that tells you something. Why are they? Their squad is at best, a bit better than ours. They have mediocre facilities, which they don't own, and no great academy. They are also reliant on selling their best players to buy new players. Saints have finances to spend with out selling. Top of the art facilities, and an academy widely touted as one of the best I the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 How will they change what they have been trying to change for years, Kenrights lack of funds to push them on to where they want to be - the champions league. They need a new ground, and a new owner, they have done well for what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Why are they? Their squad is at best, a bit better than ours. They have mediocre facilities, which they don't own, and no great academy. They are also reliant on selling their best players to buy new players. Saints have finances to spend with out selling. Top of the art facilities, and an academy widely touted as one of the best I the country. What dont they own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 They need a new ground, and a new owner, they have done well for what they have. That's been true for years, no sign of either changing. So how are they closer to getting to the CL than us? Or even maintaining a position above us? Because they were a massive club in the 80s? Or because their fans won't allow it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 What dont they own? Their stadium or training ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Their stadium or training ground Really I thought Finch Farm was owned by the council with Everton having the option to buy, good deal. And Goodison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Another positive thread derailed by our resident troll. The post count goes up yet the posts get more and more similar and more and more monotonous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 That's why he and others are now blocked, my reading pleasure of the forum is vastly heightened by removing their dross and only reading from those who add something. I've done as you suggested. What a relief not to have to trawl through the anti-Saints agenda that they produce on every thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 This thread is much better if you put Barry Sanchez on ignore. You're right. Trouble is people quote him.... Whether you think its good, bad, lpoad of toss or best thing since sliced bread, i am glad its my club doing all this. The main effects of most of the measures are probably to increase the players self-confidence and make them feel up-beat, and thats stuff money can't buy. Oh, you can buy it - by doing all the stuff we're doing. Great time to be a saints fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I left this thread at 10.30 this morning. I've just got back in, and I see the same people are still having the same bloody argument 8 hours later! This seems excessive. Indeed, I'm starting to wonder if some of you lot are actually Vampires and you're waiting for dark before you dare venture out of the house today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 A player who wants to win trophies? We made no attempt to win the League Cup did we? I agree - up to a point.But we've seen the " first team " performances this season and (at least most people are reasonably satisfied) we must at least see what the " back-up " players are like. If they are likely to be sitting on the bench for most of the season, then we have to know how they might perform (if required).... in an emergency. I also agree that the Sunderland performance was less than encouraging, which suggests that some of them might have a limited future - especially if we contimue to talk about Euro football next season. but winning trophies ?...well Arsenal manage to get into Europe every season without winning any trophies, though if course they did win The Marcus Liebherr Cup (their first trophy in 5 years - was it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 That's good modding, mod. Credit where it's due. That article was v.interesting tho I thought. I didn't think there was anything new to learn cos of all the hundreds articles we had this month! All the stuff cortese has us doing seem to border on OCD. I doubt most of it is useful in itself, but I spose it's good policy to have a culture of discipline that goes to such extremes. Can't see players sloping off for a sly cheeseburger under this kind of regime. Is all the OCD-type stuff down to Cortese? I'd have supposed Pochettino had some say in it. And oddly enough Bearsy, I didnt think the idea of shipping in custom-made mattresses and a team of cleaners was a bad one, although it does sound a bit weird. Remember the cricket a couple of years back, when the aussies had people driving past the England team hotel blowing their car horns in order to disrupt their sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Some call it OCD, others call it attention to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Is all the OCD-type stuff down to Cortese? I'd have supposed Pochettino had some say in it. And oddly enough Bearsy, I didnt think the idea of shipping in custom-made mattresses and a team of cleaners was a bad one, although it does sound a bit weird. Remember the cricket a couple of years back, when the aussies had people driving past the England team hotel blowing their car horns in order to disrupt their sleep? I suspect the matresses part is one tiny aspect. TeamGB cycling, where we seem to have stolen it from, have dozens of tiny things like that, on their own they don't sound like much, but, all together add up to less time off sick, more time able to train, and better general health that give a noticible edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Well Barry I prefer to see the new respect our club is getting when we play the top teams ,rather than your negative view of the progress we have made. It is incredible progress and I am rather chuffed that I have supported NC down this route,even when some of his seemingly more odd decisions were made. Reading that article showed to me t hat we are heading to be a major force in the near future. Yes I was happy to play a weakened side in the League cup,as at this moment I do not believe we could beat 4 of the best teams to go on and win it. Better that we save our resources to concentrate on our league position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I suspect we've already exceeded your expectations from when this little project started at the bottom of League 1. If you don't want to believe that we can go higher, that's fine, but considering the wave of optimism we've been on for the last few years, as well as the fact we seem to have tapped into a different, better, way of doing things than most other clubs, you really shouldn't be surprised that other people think we might just be able to do something awesome here. Maybe we won't make it, and we'll drop back in future, but that's no reason for you to try and constantly, repeatedly, belittle other people's optimism now. Not often I say this, but Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I suspect the matresses part is one tiny aspect. TeamGB cycling, where we seem to have stolen it from, have dozens of tiny things like that, on their own they don't sound like much, but, all together add up to less time off sick, more time able to train, and better general health that give a noticible edge. I wasn't criticising it Jimmy. And the other thing that occurred to me was that it smacked a little of Woodward's time here, all that sports science stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Some call it OCD, others call it attention to detail. I visit my therapist every tuesday and thursday at 2:37pm to thank her for curing my OCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Not sure Lovren is worth £21m just yet! Great article though - loving the attention to detail we have. Although taking mattresses to other hotels is a bit extreme. Surely we don't take 17+ mattresses away with us plus a cleaning team to every hotel we visit for every away game....? well it may sound a bit extreme (to some) but surely we want to have players 100% fit to go out and get 3 points every game...or ? there have been times (in the distant past) when players have gone out to play games " carrying" an injury, with a hangover, or fighting off a dose of the flu'. I'm all for giving them the best chance to play well in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I wasn't criticising it Jimmy. And the other thing that occurred to me was that it smacked a little of Woodward's time here, all that sports science stuff. Ah sorry, wasn't trying to imply you were criticising it, just pointing out what the overall thinking seems to be behind that and where it seems to have come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 186 posts and still it remains that it is pretty well only Barry, (apart from a smidgeon of CB Fry), who is doing his best St John the Baptist impression - the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Wesley it is an opinion, have you been on the Aldi sherry? Marjorie will go ape shiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Barry Sanchez - the last of the Flat-Earthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Barry Sanchez - the last of the Flat-Earthers That sort of goes against my view that, but hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I wasn't criticising it Jimmy. And the other thing that occurred to me was that it smacked a little of Woodward's time here, all that sports science stuff. Trouble was during the Woodward era was he wanted the limelight and not stay in the background, all these ideas now being used to improve the team, however small are starting to make a difference. Perhaps if Woodwards time was managed better we may have not have had the slide we did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Trouble was during the Woodward era was he wanted the limelight and not stay in the background, all these ideas now being used to improve the team, however small are starting to make a difference. Perhaps if Woodwards time was managed better we may have not have had the slide we did? At the time, I thought getting him onboard was quite a shrewd move given his success with the rugby side. Its not his fault things went pear shaped here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I don't think anyone here has said the LC is beneath us...that's just someone's negative twist on what's been said. Good post, and the bit I highlight is just to say that CB Fry is well known for setting up those straw man arguments and then argueing against them. When I see him and BS on a thread I start to lose the will to live, and I don't think I'l miss anything if I skip their posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I wonder what the initials BS stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Ah sorry, wasn't trying to imply you were criticising it, just pointing out what the overall thinking seems to be behind that and where it seems to have come from. See BS. This is how discussion and debate work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Nor my belief in the fact this is based upon hope with no actual proof of anything, realism its called. I applaud others wave of blind faith. Stan, mole, dune, barry Still a tedious tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 The optimists become sad when others disagree with their views, classless bunch they are, classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 ''The Optimists''. Excellent. Happy clappers was so last year. But I agree, it's bloody hard to be optimistic when we've only managed to get to 7th in the PL within 5 years. Such a hard time being a Saints fan, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 The optimists become sad when others disagree with their views, classless bunch they are, classless. If I wanted to act with any form of class Im not entirely sure that your example is one that I would follow Dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 See I've been name checked 3 times on this thread despite not posting on it or indeed at all on here for 3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 The optimists become sad when others disagree with their views dunno barry, i reckon if i expressed (your?) opinion that all the mattresses and birthday cards in the world ain't likely to breech the gap to top four, which i kind of agree with, I dunno that people would be jumping down my throat bout it. Maybe it's ur charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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