SaintNeil90 Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Is he injured or a victim of the academy? We obviously want to bring players through but it means some players (i.e Cork) get sacrificed. I wouldn't put him ahead of Schneiderlin, Wanyama or Ward-Prowse but I'd put him in the bench in place of Davis. Davis does a job, but I think Cork is the more versatile, younger model. Cork was brilliant for us over the last couple of season, has a great first touch, quick feet, good passing ability and knows how to hassle opponents. He's becoming the forgotten man, along with Ramirez (that's his fault though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Out of all the players not getting into the team at the moment cork is the one I feel the most sorry for, he was great last season but I can see him leaving in Jan as he deserves 1st team premier league football (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Was injured sat, still very much part of plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 JC will be in the wilderness for 40 match days. He will be thrice tempted by the Devil. If he can come through these trials the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory are his. So it is written. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Not good timing this..... Wanyama is one booking away from a ban and. Cork is injured! Doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Not good timing this..... Wanyama is one booking away from a ban and. Cork is injured! Doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 There will be plenty of other teams that will know of Corks situation and his performances last Season. January will be an interesting time for Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 I don't understand why people are feeling sorry for him. He's playing for a team in the top 5 of the best league in the world getting what most on here earn a year in a week. He should have to work hard and earn his place, at the moment he's obviously not doing enough. No time to give people a space because they've been loyal, they've been paid well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 I don't understand why people are feeling sorry for him. He's playing for a team in the top 5 of the best league in the world getting what most on here earn a year in a week. He should have to work hard and earn his place, at the moment he's obviously not doing enough. No time to give people a space because they've been loyal, they've been paid well. I don't think it's a case of him not doing enough - more a case of we have 2 players in that position that are simply better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 I think he's unfortunate, but I think we're very fortunate. We have really good depth at that position. Better depth than any other position on the field. Coming back to the OP, I don't see Cork and Davis as natural competitors in the system we play. Cork very much provides a replacement option for the two CM's in front of the back four, and possibly as a right-back or centre back if we became really desperate. Davis can play in that two CM position as well, but we've mostly seen him deployed in a more advanced role (i.e. as one of the three). Personally, with a fully fit squad, I'd expect to see both on the bench, and if we have aims to stay near the top, then not only do we need to keep Cork and Davis, but we need to add players with their level of ability in other positions to provide squad depth across the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Th season is young and plenty of time for Jack to return to the team. We very much need a squad that includes players like Jack Cork. Read the Scheiderlin article and you will see Jack is very much part of Pochettino's plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 I'm not sure he is actually injured at all, his missus has just had a kid 3 days ago, seems perfectly reasonable that if we weren't expecting him to start he'd get time off to be with her. He's very much on the periphery at the moment but we all know he can do a job if called upon. As long as it doesn't involve shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stjohn Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 im a massive fan of corky but it would be a mistake to lose him. When winter, suspensions and fatigue kick in , he will be invaluable. Hopefully the standard of the current saints midfield will drive corky on. It is a nice blend at the moment but just lacking some creativity.I hope he signs a long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 This. If we're truly putting our trust in the academy. (THough if Wanyama WERE to get a suspension, I'd think Davis or JWP would fill in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 It is a shame for him, top player and a victim that arguably Wanyama fits the system a little more. It would be a shame to see him go but TBH I did say he and Lambert were two players we should be sort of looking to replace last year, you dont improve unless you replace with better. I think Davis gets the nod as IMO he is more versatile, he can do a job attacking or defensively but I should imagine Cork only can play defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Part of Cork's problem, IMO, is he plays the same sort of role as Wanyama and Morgan, so there would be little benefit in bringing him on from the bench. If either CM gets injured, or needs a rest, then he's our man for sure. But you wouldn't bring him on if you wanted to change tactics, you'd choose JWP or Davis who play a more attacking role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Part of Cork's problem, IMO, is he plays the same sort of role as Wanyama and Morgan, so there would be little benefit in bringing him on from the bench. If either CM gets injured, or needs a rest, then he's our man for sure. But you wouldn't bring him on if you wanted to change tactics, you'd choose JWP or Davis who play a more attacking role. Think even if Wanyama or Morgan are injured Cork will struggle to get in the team. I think JWP would be used there first, possibly Davis. Interesting how people feel sorry for Cork and yet Ramirez is a waster for not getting in side (although Ramirez used more). Their biggest problem, which isn't their fault, is amazing development of JWP. People comment on weakness of squad at same time not happy that players like these two are not playing?? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 It's wait and see with him I think. It'd be awful to lose him but I'd respect his decision if he left to play first team football for another Premier League side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 Think even if Wanyama or Morgan are injured Cork will struggle to get in the team. I think JWP would be used there first, possibly Davis. Interesting how people feel sorry for Cork and yet Ramirez is a waster for not getting in side (although Ramirez used more). Their biggest problem, which isn't their fault, is amazing development of JWP. People comment on weakness of squad at same time not happy that players like these two are not playing?? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk I think it's pretty straight-forward to explain this. Cork played a big part in getting us promoted and then again last season in keeping us up. He's been a top player for us, and the fans warmed to him in two very good seasons as a starter. Ramirez on the other hand was bought in for a high fee once we had been promoted, he hasn't been on the same journey, and he hasn't performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 I think it's pretty straight-forward to explain this. Cork played a big part in getting us promoted and then again last season in keeping us up. He's been a top player for us, and the fans warmed to him in two very good seasons as a starter. Ramirez on the other hand was bought in for a high fee once we had been promoted, he hasn't been on the same journey, and he hasn't performed. Can't argue with any of that except last bit. He hasn't performed only compared to expectation levels. If he was young English player without the high fee baggage he would be seen as skilful squad player who had some decent performances, scored a few, few assists and willing to receive the ball to run or make something happen, made other goals by winning free kicks. As pricey Latin american he gets personal abuse. (Lesson from recent cricket events? Not aimed at you tom) Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 Jack Cork is an excellent player but as RobM said, he plays a similar role as Wanyama. No one can ignore that Wanyama is so much stronger than Jack and I cannot see him starting regularly unless Wanyama or Morgan are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 Can't argue with any of that except last bit. He hasn't performed only compared to expectation levels. If he was young English player without the high fee baggage he would be seen as skilful squad player who had some decent performances, scored a few, few assists and willing to receive the ball to run or make something happen, made other goals by winning free kicks. As pricey Latin american he gets personal abuse. (Lesson from recent cricket events? Not aimed at you tom) Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Yeah, remove the price tag completely and go back 4 to 5 years or more and you can almost imagine recalling that description being aimed at Lallana. Cork is interesting, he is "better than a squad player" but not as good as VW or Morgan. Normally he would expect to get games through injuries and suspensions. But in the thread about Morgan's interview on our tactics and back office staff he mentioned the Medical/Physio team and the extra work that had been done on certain muscle groups of the players and (fingers crossed, touch wood, insh'allah; so far the level and nature of injuries has been low) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 Can't argue with any of that except last bit. He hasn't performed only compared to expectation levels. If he was young English player without the high fee baggage he would be seen as skilful squad player who had some decent performances, scored a few, few assists and willing to receive the ball to run or make something happen, made other goals by winning free kicks. As pricey Latin american he gets personal abuse. (Lesson from recent cricket events? Not aimed at you tom) Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk It says a lot that people would rather bring Puncheon back than stick with Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 How can people be saying if Morgan or Big Vic were out Cork wouldn't come in? Davis & JWP are different players, and are mostly deployed in the '3' in our 4-2-3-1 - i.e. attacking players playing off the striker. Cork is very much a '2' player, sitting in front of the defence, breaking up play and moving the ball on to our more advanced, creative players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 It says a lot that people would rather bring Puncheon back than stick with Ramirez. Or whenever we get linked with a South American you see the same people wheeling out the "I don't want another Carlos Kickball" - basically, the ones who shout loudest and know the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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