Mopo to Spurs?

[Window Cleaner]

I laughed at their 13,000 waiting list for season tickets and thought how they wish that they had a catchment area as huge as ours.

 

well as other leagues are less secret squirrel about player salaries it's known that Lamela was only on about 14K€ a week at Rome.

I did read that he was going to be on an annual 2.4 million € at Spurs so that's about 40K£ a week I think, a long way off whatever Bale was on. Chuck in soldado for a similar figure and you've still 2 for less than the price of 1. Salaries aren't particularly high at a lot of Italian and spanish clubs, that's why they all jump at the chance to play in the PL.

Edited 25 November, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[CanadaSaint]

Why on earth would Spurs appoint a manager whose fundamental tactical style is totally unsuited to most of the players on whom they've just spent gazillions of pounds?

 

Can you imagine many of that lot being "up" for the pressing game, or - better yet - the two-a-day training sessions that have made it possible?

 

MP has been extremely effective here because he has a combination of young, hungry players and established pros with excellent, team-first attitudes. Take this act to most other Top 8 clubs and it would likely be a gong show, and I think - and hope - that MP knows it.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Why on earth would Spurs appoint a manager whose fundamental tactical style is totally unsuited to most of the players on whom they've just spent gazillions of pounds?

 

Can you imagine many of that lot being "up" for the pressing game, or - better yet - the two-a-day training sessions that have made it possible?

 

MP has been extremely effective here because he has a combination of young, hungry players and established pros with excellent, team-first attitudes. Take this act to most other Top 8 clubs and it would likely be a gong show, and I think - and hope - that MP knows it.

 

Begs the question of how Barcelona are so successful!?

[shurlock]

Why on earth would Spurs appoint a manager whose fundamental tactical style is totally unsuited to most of the players on whom they've just spent gazillions of pounds?

 

Can you imagine many of that lot being "up" for the pressing game, or - better yet - the two-a-day training sessions that have made it possible?

 

MP has been extremely effective here because he has a combination of young, hungry players and established pros with excellent, team-first attitudes. Take this act to most other Top 8 clubs and it would likely be a gong show, and I think - and hope - that MP knows it.

 

To be fair, their style is pretty similars to ours. They like to press and are very well-drilled. Dare I say it, some or the criticisms of Spurs -that they are slightly pedestrian and predictable- also apply to us.

[Window Cleaner]

To be fair, their style is pretty similars to ours. They like to press and are very well-drilled. Dare I say it, some or the criticisms of Spurs -that they are slightly pedestrian and predictable- also apply to us.

 

I watched them yesterday and I can't quite see exactly why they replaced Dembele with yet another Brazilian, Sandro and Dembelé was a decent pairing until Sandro got injured last season, Parker afterwards perhaps not so much but I really don't think Paulinho

has added anything that Dembele didn't offer. As for Capoué they'll soon learn what a heap of junk he is.

[CanadaSaint]

Begs the question of how Barcelona are so successful!?

 

Pretty much how we're going about it but it takes years to build the model on which it's based and the core components (academy, staff, players, coordinated coaching styles, chairmanship). Clubs like Spurs live in a "we want it now" world.

 

To be fair, their style is pretty similars to ours. They like to press and are very well-drilled. Dare I say it, some or the criticisms of Spurs -that they are slightly pedestrian and predictable- also apply to us.

 

I don't think Spurs are much like us at all TBF, and I've heard us called a lot of things but seldom "predictable" (other than as a compliment) and certainly never "pedestrian". They certainly weren't very well drilled yesterday, and we were all over them at WHL last year until Bale's late piece of genius.

[Snopper]

Maybe we should revisit this debate after we`ve played Citeh?

[aintforever]

Just my opinion. Don't think he'd leave midway through the project. Sure Cortese would play hardball, and plus I wouldn't even call those websites sources.

 

I dunno, he is probably well aware of how Adkins left midway through his project.

[Saint George]

I dunno, he is probably well aware of how Adkins left midway through his project.

 

Nigel's 'project' was over the day we were promoted to the Premier League.....He was always only a stand in for the start of the next project and he knew it

[shurlock]

Pretty much how we're going about it but it takes years to build the model on which it's based and the core components (academy, staff, players, coordinated coaching styles, chairmanship). Clubs like Spurs live in a "we want it now" world.

 

 

 

I don't think Spurs are much like us at all TBF, and I've heard us called a lot of things but seldom "predictable" (other than as a compliment) and certainly never "pedestrian". They certainly weren't very well drilled yesterday, and we were all over them at WHL last year until Bale's late piece of genius.

 

Predictable and pedestrian in the final third - the Hull and Fulham results were certainly encouraging but I'm still concerned we're not creating enough clear-cut chances.

[Barry Sanchez]

Spurs are a massive club, the delusion on this board concerning our size to others never fails to amaze and sadden/amuse me.

[Dark Munster]

Spurs are a massive club, the delusion on this board concerning our size to others never fails to amaze and sadden/amuse me.

They're big, not massive. We're medium.

 

Arsenal, ManUre, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern are massive.

[aintforever]

Nigel's 'project' was over the day we were promoted to the Premier League.....He was always only a stand in for the start of the next project and he knew it

 

Maybe, but I think it is naive to think that our manager will stay out of loyalty, or to finish SFC's project. He will do whatever he thinks is best for him.

[Badvoc]

Spurs are equally as well supported as Arsenal, DM - in both catchment area and fanbase. When they get their new 58/60k stadium they'll fill it no probs. That said, it would surprise me if MP did leave. The Saints opportunity is a fantastic one for him, and if he did leave I think it would only be to Utd or one of the continental giants-and he is 5 years off proving himself for those sorts of roles.

[Barry Sanchez]

They're big, not massive. We're medium.

 

Arsenal, ManUre, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern are massive.

 

In England Spurs are huge, we are tiny in comparison, I will say it again the only way we will ever be able to compete at the very highest levelis by doing a Chelsea/City, that aint going to happen.

[whelk]

Spurs are a massive club, the delusion on this board concerning our size to others never fails to amaze and sadden/amuse me.

 

Makes me laugh how much outrage at one comment and all the people jumped on him as if it representative of many people's views. Clearly it is not but I am more amazed at how many people leap on such things as if it needs disputing.

[whelk]

And fckin MOPO in title thread. Only nobbers on here would refer to him as that.

[Saint Garrett]

And fckin MOPO in title thread. Only nobbers on here would refer to him as that.

 

This.

[Winnersaint]

And fckin MOPO in title thread. Only nobbers on here would refer to him as that.

 

Yes, but the troll knows how much it annoys, so he sticks it in to get a bite.

[sotonjoe]

If they want someone who can get the best out of big money signings, then Pinocchio's woes with Gashton and Jack Sparrow would suggest he's not the man for Spurs.

 

 

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[RonManager]

If they want someone who can get the best out of big money signings, then Pinocchio's woes with Gashton and Jack Sparrow would suggest he's not the man for Spurs.

 

 

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Well said SOJO.

[Olallana]

Makes me laugh how much outrage at one comment and all the people jumped on him as if it representative of many people's views. Clearly it is not but I am more amazed at how many people leap on such things as if it needs disputing.

 

And we know that THAT one comment will from now on be referred as the truth about this forums opinions amongst the trolls here.

[shurlock]

And we know that THAT one comment will from now on be referred as the truth about this forums opinions amongst the trolls here.

 

And any suggestion to the contrary will mean that you're 'shouting down' said trolls.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I don't think they are much bigger than us

 

Pmsl

[Leicestersaint]

What a lot of nonsense.

[NickG]

As if 'how big' spurs are viewed by some boys on a message board has anything to do with a managers club choice! Lol.

 

Salary, chance to progress, location, relationship with chairman, facilities - yes.

 

If we finish above spurs get into Europe at their expense, keep manager / young players etc then even if they are massive and we are tiny (with their 4k higher gate or whatever it is!) We will be bigger draw

 

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[CB Fry]

As if 'how big' spurs are viewed by some boys on a message board has anything to do with a managers club choice! Lol.

 

Salary, chance to progress, location, relationship with chairman, facilities - yes.

 

If we finish above spurs get into Europe at their expense, keep manager / young players etc then even if they are massive and we are tiny (with their 4k higher gate or whatever it is!) We will be bigger draw

 

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.....according to one boy on a message board.

 

Tottenham finishing below us in one season doesn't stop them being Tottenham and far bigger than us.

[austsaint]

Let's hope the OP moves to Spurs....well matched.

[NickG]

.....according to one boy on a message board.

 

Tottenham finishing below us in one season doesn't stop them being Tottenham and far bigger than us.

 

So you disagree with me?

 

If we were qualified for champions league, had stable progressive ambitious set up, offered higher wages etc players would turn us down in favour of a lower finishing club, not playing in Europe , because some bigger club formula?

 

Think you are looking at it with emotional fan eyes thinking club are inferior, not cold selfish professional sportsman.

[CB Fry]

So you disagree with me?

 

If we were qualified for champions league, had stable progressive ambitious set up, offered higher wages etc players would turn us down in favour of a lower finishing club, not playing in Europe , because some bigger club formula?

 

Think you are looking at it with emotional fan eyes thinking club are inferior, not cold selfish professional sportsman.

 

Why not throw in a 80,000 stadium and being current league champions into your list of what-iffery?

 

There's nothing but cold dispassionate pragmatism in your scenario eh? But what if we were, like, AMAZING?

 

Thank god you're not emotional.

[OldNick]

Wherever you go you are likely to bump into Spurs fans, it is unusual to do the same with Saints fans.in fact you get posts on here saying that someone saw a saints shirt in Ibiza etc, if the same posts were on Spurs sites there would be pages of them. Spurs are a massive club, just below the uTds etc but far bigger than us. We are a provincial club that has potential to be bigger than now, but it will depend on consistent success and a much bigger stadium. We could repopen this debate in 20years time

[brightspark]

A manager these days has every right to jump ship in favour of a 'bigger' job. Why should they show any sort of loyalty when the fans & high-ups they work for turn their back so quickly if results don't go well for a month.

 

Two way street!

[Turkish]

In Corteses words the manager is just a department head at saints. Maybe a manager might see a bigger club with more responsibility as a more attractive role rather than just being a head of department at a provincial club.

[OldNick]

In Corteses words the manager is just a department head at saints. Maybe a manager might see a bigger club with more responsibility as a more attractive role rather than just being a head of department at a provincial club.

Whilst I agree MP might look to move to a bigger club, I'm not sure he has finished what he has started here and may like to see it through. I suspect whether his family are near and settled will be a major factor. I would expect Spanish clubs could be a bigger draw .

[adrian lord]

Spurs maybe 'big', 'huge', 'massive', 'colossal' even. But they've consistently under-achieved and show no signs of changing that trait. They won the league twice half a century ago, and since then have been plucky Cup specialists.

[Wes Tender]

Wherever you go you are likely to bump into Spurs fans, it is unusual to do the same with Saints fans.in fact you get posts on here saying that someone saw a saints shirt in Ibiza etc, if the same posts were on Spurs sites there would be pages of them. Spurs are a massive club, just below the uTds etc but far bigger than us. We are a provincial club that has potential to be bigger than now, but it will depend on consistent success and a much bigger stadium. We could repopen this debate in 20years time

 

Spurs are a club who were massive many, many years ago and are now just quite big. The gap between them and the top three historically of Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool and the two more recent glory clubs of Chelsea and City is growing. The sightings of people wearing the shirts of those clubs largely indicates the volume of plastics there are supporting them, so they derive a considerable income from sponsorship, TV, merchandising, etc. In most of the countries around the World that I've visited, Spurs shirts don't feature that strongly compared to the others. I'd go as far as to say that probably Newcastle are better represented abroad than them.

 

As you say though, things could be very different in 20 years time. If we were able to have a sustained run of top 5/6 fininishes over the next few years, beating those top clubs from time to time, we would raise our profile significantly and begin to generate the support of more plastics ourselves. It is the volume of plastics' support that really makes the difference, more than stadium capacity. It is early days this season still, but it is beginning to look as if Spurs without Bale are not the force they were, even with all of these costly replacements. It increasingly seems as if they are a team we could potentially finish above this season unless they improve or we falter and that is a scenario that wouldn't have even been contemplated by most at the start of the season.

[Viking Warrior]

Saints to sign guy whittlingham as MOPO joins the mighty spurs . - Portsmouth news exclusive

[KelvinsRightGlove]

In Corteses words the manager is just a department head at saints. Maybe a manager might see a bigger club with more responsibility as a more attractive role rather than just being a head of department at a provincial club.

 

Given Baldini is pretty much responsible for recruitment there now, Lamela was solely down to him they said in the pre-match build up on Sky on Sunday, would his role be massively different?

 

I'm not saying he is at Saints because this is the club of his dreams, or that Saints are "as big a club" blah blah. I'm just unsure whether his role would be all that different? Pretty sure Levy would have a similar view that manager is a head of department too. He is a known admirer of the so-called 'Continental Model' - in that respect I think they and ourselves are quite similar.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Few lol posts on here

[No 2 to Maybush]

Few lol posts on here

 

Congratulations. Your work here is done.

[pimpin4rizeal]

All this big club crap gets on my nerves, players and managers go where the money/ambition is not to the team with the biggest fanbase or history.

from liverpool fans all you ever hear is big club big club yet torres didnt think that when he was leaving for chelsea, neither arsenal or liverpool can compete with chelsea and city when it comes to signing players so i guess big club isnt the be all and end all

[Turkish]

All this big club crap gets on my nerves, players and managers go where the money/ambition is not to the team with the biggest fanbase or history.

from liverpool fans all you ever hear is big club big club yet torres didnt think that when he was leaving for chelsea, neither arsenal or liverpool can compete with chelsea and city when it comes to signing players so i guess big club isnt the be all and end all

 

SO you dont think Chelsea and Man City are big clubs?

[pimpin4rizeal]

SO you dont think Chelsea and Man City are big clubs?

 

They are 2 of the most powerfull clubs in a way of attracting players.

But to answer your question they would not be regarded big clubs in the same way as liverpool utd etc, do you think many people regarded man city as a big club going back 10 -15 years? .

[NickG]

Why not throw in a 80,000 stadium and being current league champions into your list of what-iffery?

 

There's nothing but cold dispassionate pragmatism in your scenario eh? But what if we were, like, AMAZING?

 

Thank god you're not emotional.

 

Sorry don't really get your point.

 

Maybe I didn't make it clear, unless arguing for sake of it

 

Take Southampton out of it and think you will see my point.

 

I don't care about this list of notional biggest clubs. I don't think professional sportsman / managers do either. It is where a club is, at any given moment, or where they are going to be next season, and less so over next few years.

 

Imagine back at beginning of season, a player choosing a new club there are loads of examples of where the more appealing option would be what you deem a smaller club.

 

Swansea, club on up, European Football, well thought of manager / set up - easier to attract players than, for example Villa.

 

Hull, Palace, Cardiff v Leeds , Middleborough

 

Cherries v sheff U, Coventry, wolves etc.

 

Players won't turn down more money, profile etc in championship to play in league 1 because it's big club.

 

If a new team, with crowds of 30k, got into champions league, had investment to take them on etc were looking at players/ managers. And spurs, for example had finished 8th. There us no way spurs remain automatic choice because they are deemed big/ did well in past etc.

 

 

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[moonraker]

Spurs are a signifcant club in Engalnd, they have a lot of plastics, tough they are aging due to lack of recent sucess and as mentoned above there are more toons and from my experince diry leeds shirts around than TH. On the European and World stage they hardly register in the modern era, so whilst they have a proud history they are not a big club in the Utd, Arsenal, Celtic, RM, Barca, Bayern sense oh and they are from London!

[shurlock]

Poch seems to believe in old-school virtues of loyalty - don't think he'd up sticks unless it was a job of a lifetime or seen things out here a bit longer. The yids right here, right now tick neither of these boxes.

[Turkish]

They are 2 of the most powerfull clubs in a way of attracting players.

But to answer your question they would not be regarded big clubs in the same way as liverpool utd etc, do you think many people regarded man city as a big club going back 10 -15 years? .

 

People that knew anything about football and it's history did. Man City and Chelsea have always been big clubs. Granted, not as big as Man United and Liverpool but In the 10 biggest clubs in this country. Both of them have always had big support and huge fan bases but like Leeds have done, have also hit hard times. Leeds are still a massive club with far more potential than Saints can dream of, yet i expect most internet people would consider them small fry up against South Coast mega club Saints at the moment.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Where is MLG? He is always lols in a this club is bigger than this club discussion. Turks is only half a man without him.

[Turkish]

Where is MLG? He is always lols in a this club is bigger than this club discussion. Turks is only half a man without him.

 

One of his greatest ever posts came on this subject when we were both in the championship and he was claiming we were bigger than Leeds because we got 28,000 for an FA Cup game against Man United that was live on Telly and Leeds sold out against Tottenam for a FA Cup game that was live on telly. Apparently the two attendances were not like for like and we have more fans than leeds if we had a stadium bigger than theirs because it was known before the game it wasn't a full strength Man United team.

 

Then of course there is his claim that we have more match going fans than Everton despite us having never in our history averaged a higher attendance than them.

 

I'm sure he's got a few more classics up his sleeve.

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[Frank's cousin]

The whole 'big club' thing is such a sad load of ****** its untrue... seriously only an issue for those with low self esteem....or where so called 'bigger' clubs have won feck all for a long period of tiem and are worried about losing their 'status' as if it means anything. The only thing that matters is where the club is now and the likely potential and how much they pay and support a growth plan. If MP wanted to go, he would go. Whatever, some might want to read into Cortese's 'head of department' quote, I suspect he will ensure he does what is necessary to keep MP, whilst MP is part of his current plan... next phase who knows, but not sure its worth losing any sleep over.

 

As others have said, there is NO loyalty either way in football - clubs happy to sack when things go bad, fans happy to turn on players and managers when things go bad.... so can we expect any loyalty when alternative offers come in? NO. What will happen will happen and we move on... although I suspect the odds of MP leaving within the next 24 months are prtty long, stranger things have happened.