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Boruc

 

Clyne - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw

 

Wanyama - Schneiderlin

 

JWP- Lallana- Rodriguez

 

Osvaldo

 

Subs: K Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Cork , S Davis, Lambert, Gaston

 

Close , but i reckon S Davis will start this one. With WP & Lallana.

Lambert and Rodríguez on the bench.

 

Ricky on after 65mins. Deja vu anyone?

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sandwichsaint

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Jay Rod will start, obviously. Was our only threat vs Arsenal and is perfect for our style.

 

Agree. He is the only proper quick player out of all the front options (and despite what people on here might tell you 'some' pace is essential, ideally several doses of pace would be even better, your attacking options are much reduced if you don't have any pace in your front players).

 

Would think that AL and JRod are pretty much nailed on for two of the front four positions every game they are fit, which leaves a choice between SD/JWP, and/or SRL/Osv with GR as the wild card.

 

Which is pretty much how it has panned out so far (have AL and JRod started every game? Would have thought so).

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Agree. He is the only proper quick player out of all the front options (and despite what people on here might tell you 'some' pace is essential, ideally several doses of pace would be even better, your attacking options are much reduced if you don't have any pace in your front players).

 

Would think that AL and JRod are pretty much nailed on for two of the front four positions every game they are fit, which leaves a choice between SD/JWP, and/or SRL/Osv with GR as the wild card.

 

Which is pretty much how it has panned out so far (have AL and JRod started every game? Would have thought so).

 

Rodriguez came on as sub against Swansea I remember and scored.

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Mourinho said that his players looked exhausted v Basel so will likely shuffle the pack for "Saturdays game" as a result, which means if the fringe players coming in have anything about them then they might be a little more up for it than the rag tag and bobtail Chelsea that got the run around off Basel. That said they might be a bit like strangers to each other if Jose's shuffle isn't right. Should be a good game.

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Agree. He is the only proper quick player out of all the front options (and despite what people on here might tell you 'some' pace is essential, ideally several doses of pace would be even better, your attacking options are much reduced if you don't have any pace in your front players).

 

Would think that AL and JRod are pretty much nailed on for two of the front four positions every game they are fit, which leaves a choice between SD/JWP, and/or SRL/Osv with GR as the wild card.

 

Which is pretty much how it has panned out so far (have AL and JRod started every game? Would have thought so).

 

Speed of thought is far more important than pure pace... JRod is quick but does not have a quick brain and I suspect will not be 1st choice .. Lambert is slow, but his brain is lightning quick.

Arsenal are top of the league with little pace but quick football brains.. so your theory does not add up I'm afraid

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Speed of thought is far more important than pure pace... JRod is quick but does not have a quick brain and I suspect will not be 1st choice .. Lambert is slow, but his brain is lightning quick.

Arsenal are top of the league with little pace but quick football brains.. so your theory does not add up I'm afraid

 

What makes you think he doesn't have a quick brain? How do you define or prove that?

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http://plainsofalmeria.co.uk/2013/11/28/the-harding-perspective-southampton-match-preview/

 

An interesting and quite detailed look ahead at Sundays game from a Chelsea blogger.

There's so much of this stuff about at the moment and although it's because we're "flavour of the month" I find it refreshing from the national newspaper articles that we have been force fed for so long.

Hope you enjoy it.

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What makes you think he doesn't have a quick brain? How do you define or prove that?

 

Arsenal have pace throughout their team - maybe not flat-out sprinters when Walcott is injured, but Wilshire, Ozil & Ramsey all have decent pace with the ball at their feet - probably a good 20-25% more pace than our equivalent players do, which was one of the major differences during the first half on Saturday.

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http://plainsofalmeria.co.uk/2013/11/28/the-harding-perspective-southampton-match-preview/

 

An interesting and quite detailed look ahead at Sundays game from a Chelsea blogger.

There's so much of this stuff about at the moment and although it's because we're "flavour of the month" I find it refreshing from the national newspaper articles that we have been force fed for so long.

Hope you enjoy it.

 

Good intelligent piece and interesting read. Thanks for posting.

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The "back 7" is an automatic pick and Lallana will play, rightly, if fit.

 

So, it's a case of two from JWP, Davis, Rodriguez, Ramirez and the kids and one from Lambert, Osvaldo and Rodriguez.

 

Personally, I would go with JWP and Davis from the off, I think. The danger from Chelsea comes if Hazard/Oscar/Mata are facing our goal with space 20-40 yards out. Let's push them right back from the off. Looked like Eto was hitting some form but will be out. Obviously Torres is a threat on the break but our backline's organisation is usually so good that we shouldn't be too worried about pushing right up.

 

Upfront, Lambert is benched. He hasn't, in truth, been playing all that well in a lot of our games and away from home he really does struggle to find space in dangerous positions. I would probably start with Osvaldo as we need to try to play him into form but I would also be interested to see Rodriguez play up top in an away match soon. Either way, I think Poch needs to resist the temptation to accommodate Lambert and Osvaldo.[/quote

 

Lambert not played well recently!! As several of those heaping praise on Saints on the box for what they have achieved in recent weeks have pointed out (Shearer , Neville etc) he is absolutely the key to every thing we do. We could get by without any of the others - Lallana, Davis, JWP, JRod (all playing well by the way) because they can all subsitute for each other. Lambert is unique. He IS the great spacemaker both in the box and out and whilst I hope in due course a role can be found for Osvaldo the idea of picking him instaed of SRL at the moment (basically on the basis that 'surely he will have to have a good game sometime') would be madness. I don't want us to go to Chelsea to compete; to put up a good performance. We should be going to win and frankly that means starting SRL. I will also be very very surprised if our manager thinks any different - alsthough he does certainly have a penchant for surprises.

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Arsenal have pace throughout their team - maybe not flat-out sprinters when Walcott is injured, but Wilshire, Ozil & Ramsey all have decent pace with the ball at their feet - probably a good 20-25% more pace than our equivalent players do, which was one of the major differences during the first half on Saturday.

Do you actually watch games... Wiltshire, Ozil and Ramsay are NO quicker than lallana, Rodriguez and Wanyama with the ball.. dream on.

We are debating PACE.. and whether this facet is something we do not have.. you rarely get Pace with speed of thought and if it exists we are talking Ronaldo/Bale level transfer fees.

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Lambert not played well recently!! As several of those heaping praise on Saints on the box for what they have achieved in recent weeks have pointed out (Shearer , Neville etc) he is absolutely the key to every thing we do. We could get by without any of the others - Lallana, Davis, JWP, JRod (all playing well by the way) because they can all subsitute for each other. Lambert is unique. He IS the great spacemaker both in the box and out and whilst I hope in due course a role can be found for Osvaldo the idea of picking him instaed of SRL at the moment (basically on the basis that 'surely he will have to have a good game sometime') would be madness. I don't want us to go to Chelsea to compete; to put up a good performance. We should be going to win and frankly that means starting SRL. I will also be very very surprised if our manager thinks any different - although he does certainly have a penchant for surprises.

 

Its staggering the No of posters on here that think Lambert should be on the bench... I've yet to see us perform without him starting. Of course it will have to happen at some point but we do not have the skillset at the moment. As for Rodriguez playing upfront as a lone striker, is a complete joke.. he's not good enough. Not even sure Osvaldo is the answer unless he is struggling to come to terms with the pace of the EPL.

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Apparently potty was a lot more ****ed with Boruc than he showed publicly, I wonder what the chances are he might be on the bench on Sunday?

 

No chance, Boruc will play and he will now do one of two things: he will either go on a really good run of form, or he will spectacularly self-destruct. It will be interesting to see which way it goes.

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Do you actually watch games... Wiltshire, Ozil and Ramsay are NO quicker than lallana, Rodriguez and Wanyama with the ball.. dream on.

We are debating PACE.. and whether this facet is something we do not have.. you rarely get Pace with speed of thought and if it exists we are talking Ronaldo/Bale level transfer fees.

 

The three players I mentioned are substantially faster than Lallana and Wanyama, and while JRod is probably about as quick, the fact that they can all pass/finish while running at pace gives them quite a significant edge over him. Sure, we can debate PACE if you like, but I'm not sure capitalisation makes much of a difference to the matter at hand. Saints have one genuinely quick player in Clyne, and a couple who have reasonable acceleration in Shaw, JRod and a few others. Pace in transition, and pace to exploit the space created when one of our more technical players beats a man is definitely something we lack in comparison to, say, Arsenal, who in the first 30 minutes last week pretty much shredded us through a combination of superior technique and superior speed.

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I would start Osvaldo in this one and have Lambert ready to make an impact as a sub.

 

Reasons:

 

1. Lambert tends to struggle at little away against the top sides and was poor last week.

 

2. Osvaldo has the potential to do something a little bit unexpected up there, and their defence isn't the most mobile.

 

3. Osvaldo is clearly a good player, and he isnt going to spring into life by not playing.

 

4. Lambert always responds well to being left out, either through coming on as a sub (City away, Chelsea away last season) or in the next game (such as Fulham at home).

 

5. We have a lot of games coming up

 

Having said that, can completely understand if Lambert starts, or both start and I am not saying Lambert is crap etc...

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I would start Osvaldo in this one and have Lambert ready to make an impact as a sub.

 

Reasons:

 

1. Lambert tends to struggle at little away against the top sides and was poor last week.

 

2. Osvaldo has the potential to do something a little bit unexpected up there, and their defence isn't the most mobile.

 

3. Osvaldo is clearly a good player, and he isnt going to spring into life by not playing.

 

4. Lambert always responds well to being left out, either through coming on as a sub (City away, Chelsea away last season) or in the next game (such as Fulham at home).

 

5. We have a lot of games coming up

 

Having said that, can completely understand if Lambert starts, or both start and I am not saying Lambert is crap etc...

 

Based on last season's game at Stamford Bridge, where Lambert came on as sub and terrorised their back 4, there is a case for starting with Osvaldo. Depends which Osvaldo turns up though - did a great job at Anfield and gave us a platform but less so at OT. Would definitely start J Rod as Terry and co won't relish his direct running much.

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Another result like 67/68 would be nice 6-2 win. Only problem was the Shed did not like it , police horses on the pitch after the game.We were stood at what was called I think , the North Stand massive old structure long walk back to Fulham Broadway

Think we won there the following year as well

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